Diabetic "white coats" ???

Stuart1966
By Stuart1966 Latest Reply 2013-04-14 14:51:33 -0500
Started 2013-02-28 22:19:15 -0600

Been a T1 diabetic for a very, very long time.

Given any choice, I want my medical professional(s) to be diabetics too!!! Dentist, psychologist, RN, does not matter. prefer diabetic medical professionals.

I want them to have the "in the mud" PERSONAL experiences, which we do. I don't want to have to explain to them their knowledge is BADLY outdated. I don't want their knowledge to be academic or frankly just plain wrong!

Never suffered "judgement(s)" from "white coats" who have never been in our shoes.

"…Yeah sure chuckles it was the green beans that caused the low… not the IV insulin you used… "

"…sure its deliberate, we do this stuff to ourselves on purpose (sic. moron)."

Anyone else share my perspective? Anybody else comprehend it?


23 replies

srs1960
srs1960 2013-04-14 14:51:33 -0500 Report

I read a lot myself to keep informed on my health a doctor who will listen is a must have in any health issue

Gwen214
Gwen214 2013-03-30 00:35:45 -0500 Report

I think the closest doctor you're going to get that knows about the endocrine system, and how insulin works is an endocrinologist. S/he may not know what we go through everyday, but this is what they specialize in. Every other doctor. Well, just not gonna get it, unless they're open minded to truly learning about something they don't specialize in.

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2013-04-08 08:45:44 -0500 Report

Not looking for a "lover", a buddy … although a doctor whom we intimately trusted and was an actual friend would be fantastic! In candor, not certain I do understand my serious preference on this one Diabetic White Coats, hopefully through chatting, can figure it out more deeply?

e3angels
e3angels 2013-03-26 10:49:05 -0500 Report

There aren't many choices of doctors where I live so I have to use the only dr who will take my insurance and he's 45 minutes away. Not fun. He's not my first choice either because he never makes me feel great. So until I can find a better doctor who can help me I'm pretty much stuck with him. I would prefer some of my drs. To be diabetic but not all. With some I'm not sure it matters.

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2013-04-08 08:49:17 -0500 Report

Thanks for taking part…

Which ones would "not matter"? Personal self interest guarantees stronger motivation for deeper knowledge, no?

DiabetesDiva
DiabetesDiva 2013-03-15 10:38:44 -0500 Report

I was fortunate to have a wonderful NP who diagnosed my diabetes. I had been a long time patient & we had a trusting & friendly relationship. With her help I was able to manage my diabetes. Then I moved to another state & was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia in addition to the Type 2. It's been 3 years & I'm on my 4th doctor. I have not been able to build the same type of relationship I had with my NP. I pretty much have given up & receive my education & support from others on social media sites.

Becky McQuaid
Becky McQuaid 2013-03-15 10:12:30 -0500 Report

Doesn't it all have to do with building a trusting relationship with whoever your healthcare provider is with or without diabetes. Goes with weight or anything else just because some has some extra lbs people assume you sit around and gorge all day many things play in a persons situation and as long as your comfortable with your doctors and providers and they give you what you feel you need then Amen to that!

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2013-04-08 09:03:03 -0500 Report

Thanks for taking part. Been taught to fear "white coats" repeatedly in four plus decades coping with them. Fellow diabetics are easy to communicate with very intimately. Mutual comprehension, perhaps? Not sure…

sherifawson
sherifawson 2013-03-03 16:11:19 -0600 Report

With 28 years with Type 1 I have truly been in your shoes. I had a great GP who treated me for the first 10 or so years. He had Type 1 so he knew what it felt like. Since then I have not found an MD who has it. My favorites are the Diabetes Nurse Practitioners I have had. It may just be good luck but I think they are more down to earth. My feeling is that they don't have the MD behind their name. I could go into more details about what I mean by that but I won't.

My doctors don't support the healthy things I am doing when they didn't prescribe them, like wholistic supplements and a diet more healthy than the one their dietitians teach you about - you know the one you learned in second grade? They have not congratulated me for bringing my ha1cs from the 9s to the 6s. They don't even appear to notice when I come in with a totally new attitude toward diabetes that is reflected by my low ha1cs. My NP does all that.

I think it's like great friendships, great marriages, and great jobs. They're rare. Most are mediocre. If you want that rare quality you have to look harder for it.

Unfortunately the MDs don't advertise they have diabetes. It's uncomfortable to ask. I no longer need my doctor to be diabetic, but I do need him to stop looking at the computer screen and look at me, since I'm the patient. I do want him to seem my progress and give me credit for it.

You might start with an intention to meet the doctor or NP you will benefit by. You know the old saying? When the student is ready the teacher will appear. Then create a list of the qualities you want in your provider(s) and when you go for that first visit be ready to interview the doctor. If he or she doesn't like your inquisitiveness they may not be the one for you.

I hope this helps.

Been there

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2013-03-07 09:05:27 -0600 Report

(Stuart raising his hand) soooo ready for said "teacher"…

way past first impressions, insurance coverage can provide me two OB-GYN's… two peds endos, one dead guy (literally)… then Larry, Moe and Curly.

When I was calling to check credentials, and approach, practice size, etc. "Larry" literally could not see me for a minimum of four months. As a new potential patient, seeking their "service". "Moe" was not SEEING any new patients. I told them they were on the list of providers, they had no answer… "Curley" is the one I got. Unless something magical changes, as the song says ~…love the one you're with…~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRX1glHbkXA

Always looking to "trade up"… MD/RN/DDS/Etc. AND diabetic too, I'm in…

Tom D2
Tom D2 2013-03-02 14:36:56 -0600 Report

Jayabee52, hello I am a PWD and am a Registered Respiratory Therapist and have been for 41 years. I have very good productive discussions with my medical team taking care of my diabetes. We have
e not always seen eye to eye but it has been interesting. I have had T2 for about 15+ years and I am only on 1 5-500 met forum daily. Wasn't always the case.

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2013-03-07 09:15:18 -0600 Report

Hello Tom D2:

Just the man I'm looking for >: D !!!! Thank you for taking part.

"…not always seen eye to eye…" tell me more about your eyes… (stealing a bugs bunny line). What kinds of problems are there issues IYE???

I literally envy you the concept of such teams, but never encountered them, in the real world, save at gigantic regional hospitals or serious diabetes clinics. Like the concept, but just never encountered em before (save on paper)… too many solo "white coats", not a lot of cohesion/interplay ever… referrals sure, but not the same thing if they aren't in the same office.

Looking forward to hearing more…

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-03-02 14:48:43 -0600 Report

Good to meet you Tom. This discussion was not started by me.

I am glad to learn of your good care you've been able to take with yourself.

Blessings!

James

RebC
RebC 2013-03-02 12:09:13 -0600 Report

I'm with you there. I have yet to find a doctor who has that intuitiveness that comes with having the disease. I also find that their focus is a little different than mine, and it's hard to change their perspective.

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2013-03-07 09:18:10 -0600 Report

Hello RebC:

Lets try and pin this down some, if we can…? How is the focus different between us and them? What perspective do they possess that does not give us rainbows and sunshine ?

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2013-03-01 10:03:21 -0600 Report

I actually don't care if my doctor is or isn't diabetic, his or her experiences with diabetes may not be the same as mine. As long as they are up to date with the disease and are able to answer my questions, it doesn't matter to me. Personally, even if my doctor was diabetic, I am not going to sit and listen to his/her experiences with the disease, I am not there to be their BFF I am there for treatment of my disease.

Doctors and nurses are also employees which means they don't have to disclose their illness to their employer as long as it is not interfering with their ability to perform their job duties.

Suppose you were a drug/alcohol addict, would you want the doctor treating you to be an addict so he/she can know what you are going through with your addiction? There are functioning addicts in all professions.

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2013-03-07 09:33:33 -0600 Report

Hello Joyce,
Not looking for a lover, AM looking for someone whom I T-R-U-S-T… accept , agree with their approach, tools! I get to go home and take my diabetes with me, they do not. If their route, their "GPS" takes turns and goes places i will not follow
-shrug-

Understand your point, and don't claim to understand the preference completely. But 10,000% absolutely, cancer, gum disease, respiratory, take your pick… I genuinely prefer they personally have experienced the mud(s) which you or I are upto our follicles in… having such intimate, personal experience they are much better "white coats" for it.

Had lots of experiences in nearly fifty years (8:: Z but those which left any kind of impression by in large were with those who were our peers. No "secret handshake" necessary, but I did notice the calloused fingertips… and quietly spoke with them. Often publicly as well.

davidhogan
davidhogan 2013-03-01 09:17:18 -0600 Report

I can most definitely relate but like James said, it will be a daunting task to find one I would wager. One thing I will not tolerate is a condescending doctor with a "God" complex ever.

I pay for my health care whether it is directly or through insurance payments, and they WILL earn that pay as far as I am concerned, and that doesn't mean I start out with an argumentative attitude, in fact I am quite pleasant and friendly. I'm just not taking their crap as this is MY health and they can feed their ego with someone else, not me.

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2013-03-07 09:36:28 -0600 Report

Hello David:
Thank you for taking part as well.

Where do we have these "grand canyon" gaps, I wonder? Think they are the same ones for most of us???

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2013-03-01 10:10:47 -0600 Report

I agree David, I will not tolerate a condescending doctor at all. I also will not tolerate a doctor who has no bedside manners. I don't think it would be easy to find a doctor with diabetes to treat you because the odds are they are not going to disclose this information to a patient with diabetes.

I don't blame you one bit it is your health and you don't have to tolerate their ego. I also think it is up to the patient to be just as informed about their heath and disease as much as the doctor. This allows you to ask intelligent questions. I have found doctors have more respect for the informed patient than one who is uninformed. My neighbor is the uninformed diabetic. We have the same doctor and she can't understand why I get better treatment from him than her. She doesn't asks questions and won't learn more about being diabetic. I get free samples, she doesn't.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-02-28 22:32:34 -0600 Report

Yep Stewart, I agree with you, and I have been more vocal with my Drs about their erroneous pronouncements.

It is however a daunting task to find a Person with diabetes (PWD) who is also a medical professional. It is even worse for someone like me who has so many "medical challenges".

James

Stuart1966
Stuart1966 2013-03-07 09:42:08 -0600 Report

Hello James:

I raise such issue(s) because I doubt my… "perspective" sometimes. -uncomfortable shrug- I wonder if my peers and diabetic elders feel likewise… perhaps can explain their perspectives, so I can perhaps gain deeper insight to mine ???

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