Do we need to draw blood, my friend?

Jim Edwards
By Jim Edwards Latest Reply 2013-02-15 13:44:11 -0600
Started 2013-02-11 10:42:45 -0600

It seems every so often that things get out of hand here on DC. It is time we put our guns away, sheathed our knives and retracted our claws. Just because someone voices a different opinion from you does not mean you need to go for the throat with your claws out. Some opinions are fact in a way. I look out my office window and I can say the sky is blue. This is true. Now to someone else they may disagree. Why? Because they are from Montanna and this blue sky is not a Montanna blue sky. So facts and opinions are not always black and white. things change over time. I read a little while back, maybe in Readers Digest, that after all these years, salt may have gotten a bad rap. Maybe it is not as bad for your BP as was once thought. So it was a fact that it was bad for your BP. Now there is a study that shows different. So now, do you have 2 opposing facts, or just 2 different opinions? It appears that salt being bad for you is no longer an undisbuted fact.
We wear different shoes, with different education, different medicial conditons, so why wouldn't we have different opinions? I try not to hide behind my keyboard. If I would not say something to your face, it is unlikely you will see it in print from me. Remember, behind these typed words is a person, one with feelings, questions, answers and who knows what else.
If you want to draw blood, let it be your own at your local Americian Red Cross.


51 replies

Dr Gary
Dr GaryCA 2013-02-13 22:15:19 -0600 Report

Hi Jim,

I really enjoyed reading your post. We all have had different experiences, and this has led us to make different conclusions, and opinions. As you said so well, even the experts don't always have the last word. We see so much "demonizing" of people who have different opinions these days, just look at the recent elections. Diabetic Connect is a place for sharing ideas and supporting each other. If we all remember that, then we are more likely to respond to each other out of compassion and not anger.

Nice to see you!

Gary

Lentyl
Lentyl 2013-02-13 12:01:52 -0600 Report

Good comments. About food research…if we followed what the scientists say we wouldn't be eating anythng at all. One says coffee is bad, another says it's great, etc., etc., etc. If we all had the same opinion what a boring world and nothing, but nothing would ever be accompolished.

Debbiejf
Debbiejf 2013-02-12 11:01:57 -0600 Report

You've got my curiosity up Jim :). Manapaua (?) posted venting about some people on insulin thought it was a free pass to eat what they want and were encouraging others to do the same, and I"m sure we all agree with what he said, he was really upset and I for one don't blame him. I had replied in kind about someone I personally know who is T2 and thinks just because he takes a pill he can eat what and everything he wants and there are no consequences-which we all know is ridiculous…but he wasn't attacking any one person specifically. So I don't think that was it. I don't think I have ever seen what you're describing but like I said I don't log on everyday. Yes I agree no one needs to be tearing anyone esle up because they diisagree with what they said

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-02-12 11:54:51 -0600 Report

Well I generally come on DC every day, Debbie, and I try to follow all the new posts. So I have seen my share of "dustups" on these boards.

I think things will settle down after a bit and will get better again.

If you really want to see this current dustup you will need to read Manapua's post all the way through, here ~ http://www.diabeticconnect.com/discussions/17... Then you can make up your own mind about it.

James

Debbiejf
Debbiejf 2013-02-12 12:26:23 -0600 Report

In reading his post I don't see where he's actually named the target for his venting. I'm sure we all agree with what he said and since he has not named anyone in particular that I can see, I have absolutely no idea who he may be talking about/to. I , myself, know a person who is T2 on Met and still eats any and everyting he wants to regardless of any consequenses. It used to get very riled up until I was blue in the face but eventually just had to tell myself that they aren't going to listen to anyone including their doctor so I stopped spending my energy and emotions on them and just shake my head knowing morons will always be morons :). I probably just missed whoever may have posted whatever got Mon so riled up.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-02-12 12:32:01 -0600 Report

Manupua did not name the target tis true, however Jim's post here was not about that. It was about something others said during the course of the discussion about one another. I just pray it has simmered down now.

Debbiejf
Debbiejf 2013-02-12 12:40:10 -0600 Report

I have no doubt things will settle soon enough, whoever feels the need to berate, diss or insult in whatever form they deem neccessary others opinons definitley need to check themselves and think twice or maybe three times before they open up to reply :).

Lentyl
Lentyl 2013-02-13 12:03:33 -0600 Report

We can point our finger at someone, in this case M is doing it. But, we have to remember that three are pointing at us.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-02-15 13:44:11 -0600 Report

Yes, and it is those three that should remind us that when we get involved in the "dustups", we add to the mess. Calming without attack is great and there is always the walk away and flag a comment. It takes two to argue, or more...so the less that join in the fast those things will come down.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-02-13 12:12:26 -0600 Report

I reallly dont think Manu was really at fault here, He was simply venting about irresponsible use or abuse of insulin. It was others who were too "feisty" with one another.

Lentyl
Lentyl 2013-02-13 12:18:42 -0600 Report

I agree with you James. I guess I just wanted to make a point that we all need to watch where those fingers are pointed.

Debbiejf
Debbiejf 2013-02-13 13:51:07 -0600 Report

Aw Jim, have you forgotten how cruel kids can be?? I sure haven't, it's easier to deal with adults acting like anuses because a child doesn't have the understanding how to :) But you are a sweet, kind person to the best of my knowledge :)

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2013-02-13 15:37:24 -0600 Report

At 58, those memories are fading. Please don't say that kind of stuff about me on here. Next thing you know james will be reading it and filling you with all kinds of true lies about me and I will diminish in your sights!
I figure it this way Debbie (geez, I almost called you Deb and I don't know you that well!) life is generally not easy for most people. It does not seem to matter how much or how little money they have. Life deals us a hand of cards and how we play it makes a big difference. Each of us can complain and some of those complaints are valid and some, well, maybe not so valid. Like today, I spent a good bit of my work day on a 32" stage, with a 7' scaffolding on wheels (yes, they do lock) on top of that, then a 6' ladder on top of that, so I can change a ballast with 40 some electrical connections to it. My back is killing me, my headaches from having my neck in the looking up position. Am I going to complain? Nope. I got down from that height safely, and soon I go home. Now I might complain that I get to do it again tomorrow, but I won't. We are here to bless and support each other, not throw each other in front of the train.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-02-13 12:07:48 -0600 Report

what about your mental faculties? (1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child) LoL!

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-02-12 12:44:59 -0600 Report

Yes we are, but aren't most wars started by "adults"?

And when someone has dissed or berated me in the past, I have just flagged them and let the community manager decide if it violates the Terms of Use regarding abusive posts.

Debbiejf
Debbiejf 2013-02-12 17:39:04 -0600 Report

I have to admit I don't really understand why anyone would insult, etc., another person because they don't agree with their opinion :(. I guess it's all in the way a person is raised (or not raised). And, in my opinon, I think most if not all wars are started by selfish, greedy and nasty people. Mostly wanting what someone else has. sigh

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-02-12 18:16:21 -0600 Report

guess who th0se selfish, greedy and nasty people are? Adults! Yes little kids get into fights, but only adults have the means to make war.

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2013-02-13 15:42:43 -0600 Report

With kids, they fight, get cleaned up and are ready to be friends again. With adults they fight and try to figure if they won or not. If not, then it is time for revenge. It never seems to end. I am sad today. I do not think my doggie, Shadow is feeling well. I think she may have thrown something out in her back end as she hesitates to jump up into the truck. Lucky for me, tomorrow I see my spine guy and he will look her over and put whatever back in place.

GrammieMags
GrammieMags 2013-02-12 17:12:34 -0600 Report

Being adult does not mean 'mature'. A lot of very young people have it more together than a lot of older people.

(Now how is that for starting another troll war!)

moon74
moon74 2013-02-12 10:15:47 -0600 Report

I agree. I live in Georgia and am loving the weather. I am happy in my life. Do I have problems. Yes. Are there things I want to change ? Yes. But life is good. And when we give an opinion we need to do it with a little style. Words are powerful and even well meaning words can hurt. So before you lash out , take a step back. Take a long deep breathe and then take another and count to 100. I am really enjoying this site. I just got here a few days ago.

jigsaw
jigsaw 2013-02-12 07:22:29 -0600 Report

Well thought out, and an excellent point! Now, if you can show me how to communicate this point to my wife!!! (-;

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2013-02-12 13:54:57 -0600 Report

Jigsaw, a roll of duct tape is coming your way. You obviously need to use it if you think you can communicate with your wife. You always want to be first. Let someone else communicate with their wife first and break the ground for us! :)

Set apart
Set apart 2013-02-12 05:46:20 -0600 Report

Jim, this is a great post, and I so agree with everyone here. This is a place to share our point. Of views, experiences, and all of this with respect. The world itself can be such an ugly place, there's no reason to bring that to DC, ivebeen on here for 1 1/2 years only, but I have seen some people come and go. This should be a place where people can feel comfortable in sharing their views, or questions without the bullying!

sloane
sloane 2013-02-11 16:33:48 -0600 Report

this is a great post. I totally agree with this. Every doctor,scientist and individual have had opposing opinions and results. The truth is what works for one person may not be right for another. Diabetes is a multifaceted disease and thankfully there are many treatment options. This is a place to share information, not to receive absolute advisement. The best advise comes from your own health care team and you!!! Stay healthy my friend!

granniesophie
granniesophie 2013-02-11 14:16:59 -0600 Report

Darn, and I just got my claws sharpened the other day!!
Seriously, Jim, great post-
Remember, we are all here to support and help each other. None of us is any different from another in wanting support, questions answered, etc>
I used to tell brand new people that I worked with-"just remember, everyone was new once, and everyone had to learn.
Someone with a lack of patience or who is yelling at you has forgotten what it was like to be new, so they should be more pitied then gotten angry at because they have much to teach if they would take the time and do it correctly.

old biker
old biker 2013-02-11 12:52:51 -0600 Report

It's not so much as a difference of opinion as much as it is the way some members choose to come off as..Lets just say it's the nature of the beast..I am willing to bet if a member comes off as a know it all or is over bearing on this board. There is a real good chance that is the way they are with everyone they interact with in real life.. What it comes down to is a matter of respect and respect is something that seems to be in short supply in the world we all live in

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-02-11 11:12:32 -0600 Report

I wish I could give blood, Jim. However I am prevented from doing so by the American Red Cross dut to my medical conditions.

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2013-02-11 11:33:32 -0600 Report

No problem. Come to WV and I will draw it for you! Our waste water plant needs feeding and I am sure it would love some blood to feast on.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-02-11 12:59:54 -0600 Report

you power your waste water plant with Leeches?

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2013-02-11 15:27:15 -0600 Report

This time of year we will take what we can get. We buy 50 pounds of dog food, grind it up add water and dump it in. Our other option, which we use to use before gas went whacko was that we would but active sh** from another plant. The stuff was free, but the transpotation of it expensive.

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