By manapua72 Latest Reply 2013-02-21 19:30:07 -0600
Started 2013-02-01 21:33:52 -0600

A friend of mine just found out she's a type 2 diabetic … She has talked to her doctor and her doctor has allowed @ least for now to she how well she does with lifestyle changes controlling her diabetes … She had lowered her food intake , she has reduced carb intake , she exercises each day … Her #'s r good … She's spooked and so am I at all the dangerous side effects that medication for type 2 diabetics have … From cancer to heart failure it's just terrible … These meds that r supposed to help us seem to so much harm … I don't blame her for trying to manage her diabetes with a more natural healthier lifestyle … Just read some post on new meds approved for treating people with type 2 diabetes and the possible side affects were spooky to say the least …

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Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2013-02-05 14:49:00 -0600 Report

Ahhh…the "cure" is worse than the curse. I have had 4 meds that have interfered with my BS, including Metformin, statins, and a few others. It is like when I am in pain. I have an adverse reaction to anything with codeine in it. It is as if I have bugs crawling all over me. I put out roach and ant traps, but that did not help! Before I take the med, I weigh, "Which is worse, the pain or being covered with bugs?" I often choose the bugs. I found out if I take it early in the day the bugs are gone by the time I go to sleep and the pain is not there. If I take it at night, I know there is no sleep until 2 or 3 AM, but at least I have plenty of my friends in bed with me that I can talk with. Actually it should be talk to, as talking with implies they are talking back to me. So we do need to weigh each med and decide which is the better choice.

GabbyPA 2013-02-03 14:17:21 -0600 Report

Yes, I posted some of those articles and they are down right frightening. Sure, to get maybe better glucose readings I increase my risks of a heart attack...not a great trade off in my book.

I'm glad your friend is doing well on diet and exercise. I hope that continues as long as she possibly can. The alternative is not always pleasant.

CaliKo 2013-02-03 12:50:47 -0600 Report

I've been diet-and-exercise controlled for just over 4 years now. I don't like the listed side effects of the drugs either, but I'm grateful they are available for when-and-if I need them. I will work to delay that day as long as possible, and truthfully, wouldn't mind skipping straight to background insulin instead of the oral drugs. That's what my Dad did.

tabby9146 2013-02-05 10:01:57 -0600 Report

I am still controlling with d&e too and also 4 years for me. I remember reading this before and us talking about it, it's good to find others who are the same and see how many years we can all successfully do this and share tips.

CaliKo 2013-02-05 10:19:54 -0600 Report

I enjoy seeing how everyone else is doing, too. My Dad was successful with diet and exercise for 15 years before moving on to the background insulin, then 21 years of insulin until he died at 86 years of age.

tabby9146 2013-02-12 11:26:46 -0600 Report

that is great that he did so well for so long. did he die of diabetes related complications? sorry to hear that. My dad died when I was 22, of cancer. But I was adopted as an infant, diabetes ran in my biological family

CaliKo 2013-02-12 11:47:29 -0600 Report

Hi Tabby, He and Mom did a good job of taking care of his diabetes, Dad never had major complications. He died of what they called a "sudden cardiac event" and you know most diabetics die of heart disease, so it may have been related. But, I'm thankful he was active and sharp-witted to the end. He had gone to church that last day (driving), had communion, drove over to a friend's house to help with a computer issue, had dinner at home with Mom, watched tv, set up the coffee pot for the next morning, and then just sat on the bed and made a noise and fell over. Mom called 911 immediately, then us, but he was gone. My sister and I are both T2, and both are diet-and-exercise controlled. My sister gets to eats lots more carbs than myself, being a marathon runner and a size 2… but my A1C is just as good, my last one was .1 better than hers!

tabby9146 2013-02-21 19:30:07 -0600 Report

thanks for replying. Wow your sister is a marathon runner and size 2, if anyone could beat diabetes it would be her. I am a size 6, somtimes 8 with some things depending on how the pants are cut or whatever. I could never run a marathon I don't think. My stamina only lasts so long. glad he took care of his diabetes. it is so hard to lose someone so close, especially a parent. God bless you.

manapua72 2013-02-02 21:19:56 -0600 Report

Yeah I'm hoping she can continue with just lifestyle changes … So far she seems to be doing really well … Yet we all know diabetes is progressive …

Kirla 2013-02-03 10:37:39 -0600 Report

I have been controlling with mostly diet for over 3 years now. Almost 4 years soon. My first A1C was 14.1. Changed what I eat and 4 months later it was 5.9. Been under 6 for over 3 years. Recently gained a little weight and it bumped up to 6.4. Started to count calories and am losing weight and my numbers are starting to come down. Will retake A1C in a couple of months and figure it will be below 6 again.

I have read stories of people controlling with diet and exercise for over 10 years with no complications. I believe that controlling with diet and exercise people can control for life and be complications free. At least that what I’m hoping on. So far doing great.

I don’t believe diabetes has to be progressive. I also believe that a lot of the complications that come with this disease are from the currently accepted medical practices. The current recommended diet of 45-60 carbs per meal and 15-30 carbs per snack isn’t healthy for most diabetics. Almost every one I have read about that maintains their A1C below 6 without meds, do it with a lower carb diet. The oral meds over time will damage the liver and kidneys. Some meds will also slowly kill off your pancreas.

I believe that thousands of people if not millions who currently take meds and/or insulin can learn to control with diet and exercise. Most people just take their meds and continue to eat like they always did. Some take their meds and eat the recommended diet and have no idea that the diet is what is not allowing them to control their blood sugar.

I believe that there is some people that can change there diet and exercise and will still need meds and or insulin. Diet and exercise is not for everyone. But most doctors are taught that it can’t be done. I was told by 2 doctors and a pharmacist that it wasn’t possible to control my blood sugar without the meds. I proved them wrong. I only took meds for 7 weeks. Haven’t needed them since. I’m not against taking meds when first diagnosed. I just believe that people should be given a choice once there numbers reach a normal range. Then if diet and exercise doesn’t work they can always go back to the meds or insulin. Most people are never given the choice. Most people are never told by health care professional that lowing carbs will help them control there blood sugar. Most people are told the opposite.

I believe your friend if she continues to follow her diet can do it for life. Only one thing she must understand is that once her numbers come down and her A1C goes back under 6 she will always have to continue to monitor her blood sugar either daily, weekly or monthly and A1C at least once a year, every 3 or 6 months is better. I have read hundreds of stories on Dlife and some here that once there blood sugar goes back to a normal range they slowly over time go back to the way they used to eat and find themselves worse than they ever. That’s why testing for life is so important. If they don’t test, diabetes has a way to come back if allowed.

Lentyl 2013-02-03 14:20:19 -0600 Report

There's a gal here who was told by her doctor that she could eat anything that she wanted and just adjust the insulin to cover it. Her readings are off the wall and she couldn't understand why. She was eating potatoes, rice and pasta all the time. We have to pay attention to what is best for us. This gal received lots of good advice here and it appears that she is looking to improve her diet. She didn't know other than what her doctor told her - and - afterall isn't the doctor supposed to know. Not at all!!!

It occurs to me that many people, whether or not thay have diabetes, abdicate their resonsibilitiesd for their own health to others. Diabetes suddenly is a wake-up call that, "Hey, this is about me and what I need to be doing!". That might be a difficult adjustment to make for some and I truly empathize.

Lentyl 2013-02-03 14:11:36 -0600 Report

I sure agree with you! My retinologist told me that I needed to take an oral med in order to protect my eyes. So…Metformin 500 mg. 2x/day. Diet and exercise are preferable so they are all combined.

Nick1962 2013-02-02 19:06:06 -0600 Report

Hopefully hers is the type that is simply brought on by lifestyle (like mine) and not a genetic or medical failure. It seems like that’s the case. Yeah, too often we just take what the doc gives us only glancing at the short list of side effects listed on the bottle, when if we did any research at all we’d probably tape our mouths shut. I’m not a tree hugger or nature freak, but taking anything, even supplements if not absolutely needed, goes against what I think is good for me. Metformin worked great in keeping my numbers down, but it also kept food from staying in my system long enough to get absorbed (and I’ve prided myself on my “iron stomach”). Glad she can stay on the “natural” path.

manapua72 2013-02-02 17:51:10 -0600 Report

I have … She's not much of a computer person … I think her her husband and her kids t the ones familiar with computers … I myself didn't mess with computers till 2007 … A lot of people out there that still don't use computers much … As it is if I didn't have a smart phone I wouldn't know about DC … I'm happy I found DC on my Apple phone …

manapua72 2013-02-02 15:23:36 -0600 Report

I'll ask about the A1c … She really is working at this … I'm like whoa you're cutting that all out … I've been to a dinner party with her since she was told by her doctor , we were both diabetics and though I ate quite healthy she put me to shame on how well she ate … Then again I take insulin to cover the carbs I eat while she's trying to manage with no medication … Yeah I think she's a good candidate for managing w/out meds … Time will tell …

jayabee52 2013-02-02 15:32:15 -0600 Report

it is great she is so diligent!

But often when a newly Dx'd PWD gets started like gangbusters, far too often they eventually hit a wall and burn out. Just be alert to that.

I am sure I really don't have to ask this but I'm gonna anyway . . . Have you encouraged her to come here to DC and get to know us and receive support and encouragement? That way we can all get to know her and she'd have someone to which to turn to get great information.


manapua72 2013-02-02 03:46:31 -0600 Report

Yes she's type 2 her highest reading since she's been using a meter & testing was 160 … She has been able to for the most part stay below 125 …

tabby9146 2013-02-05 10:04:35 -0600 Report

sounds just like me. that was my highest reading ever, and I was diagnosed 4 yrs ago, put on metformin for a few months, lost the weight, came off, been controlling d&e for over 3 1/2 yrs now. I am careful. It is hard many days, some days I go off the wagon some, but I get back on .

jayabee52 2013-02-02 14:57:52 -0600 Report

Has she had an A1c done? That may tell a tale as well.

But if the 160 mg/dl is the highest she's ever gone, it would seem she is a good candidate for managing her Diabetes Mellitus (DM) t 2 with lifestyle modification alone.

jayabee52 2013-02-01 22:24:11 -0600 Report

Yes I agree Manapua! Scary side effects! That is why I feel it is important to manage my t 2 with meal planning. So far so good! Been at it 2 years now.

I take it that she is t 2 since you only said she's "a type diabetic" If she was t 1 there would be no question of simply trying to manage it with lifestyle modifications alone.

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