Has Anyone Been Able To Go Off Oral Medications?

By Latest Reply 2010-11-12 10:44:27 -0600
Started 2008-12-04 08:42:16 -0600

Is this a forever thing that can only get worse, and end you with insulin, or can it be controlled eventually without any medication. I am sure I am not the only one that wants to know. I tried to ask before, and got no answers; I will submit discussion again because I think this is an important question, and it could lead to encouragement, I do not know.


30 replies

jenjugirl
jenjugirl 2010-11-09 08:39:38 -0600 Report

I have always had high triglycerides, at least since 1997. Finally in 2008 my doctor put me on meds for them. In less than six months, I had been diagnosed with sleep apnea, diabetes, and high blood pressure taking meds for everything. I weighed in at 250 lbs. I began the process for surgery and had the by-pass in July of 2009. I have lost 100lbs and since surgery have never been back on insulin, the sleep machine, or any of my other meds. While I was only on my meds for a year, this process has cured these ailments but I will always be susceptible to them. My A1C is down to 5.5 while at its peak was 9.9.

I will say that this surgery has its issues. You must for the rest of your life, monitor your protein, calcium, B vitamins and iron. If you are not ultra diligent in watching these, the health conditions that you can get are just as worse if not more then the health conditions that obesity led to. Another friend who was 320 lbs had this surgery in 2002 and is facing many health conditions such as anemia, osteoporosis, and fibromyalgia mostly because she stopped taking supplements and watching her intake of food for several years. So, you must be determined and forever aware.

Therefore, I have eliminated all sugar on a regular basis, no carbonated beverages, and no alcohol. If I do eat processed sugar, I make sure its something really special and eat only two bites. Otherwise, I focus on protein intake, making sure to get at least 60mgs a day, but usually getting 70-90 a day. If I eat carbohydrates, I make sure its whole grain that offers at least 5mg of protein for a serving. I exercise at least 3 times a week; yoga really helped the sagging while I was loosing most of the weight. The protein helps in retaining lean muscle mass. If you don’t pay attention to that while losing on bariatric surgery is when you get loose and flabby muscles and skin.

A co-worker went through this with me and the process was different for both of us. For example, she lost a lot of taste and everything tasted like cardboard, while for me, I began to crave spicy and bitter food that I didn’t like before. Ultimately this avenue is a solution; however you must trade one lifestyle for another for the rest of your life. If you’re an emotional eater, the effects can be even more difficult.

carolynrm52
carolynrm52 2010-11-08 21:34:21 -0600 Report

The answer is to change your diet! Read "The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell and "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease"" by Caldwell Esselstyn Jr A low-fat, plant-based diet is the answer. If you can eliminate all animal protein (meat, dairy, egg, oils) your numbers will drop dramatically. Do the research. Doctors are not trained in nutrition. I know this works (it did for me), and it works fairly quickly with Type 2 diabetics. And… don't worry about protein; eat plants, beans, legumes, fruits and vegetables. You will get all the protein you need.

I have been vegan now for about 6 weeks and have never felt better. My blood sugar this morning was 88. (I take no diabetes meds). I do not miss any of my formerly favorite foods. When you eat this way, you will feel great and will not have cravings. Read "The China Study". All the answers are in that book. Please don't be discouraged; there is hope!

CaliKo
CaliKo 2010-11-09 10:15:32 -0600 Report

I think you can be healthy with a vegan diet if you are careful with all the nutrients, but its no guarantee. I know several vegans that are overweight and not as healthy as I am now with my ADA recommended diet which includes up to 6 oz of animal protein a day. Some days I eat vegetarian by choice, 3 days a week I have a fish meal, most days have low-fat cheese or yogurt. I do eat lots of veggies and fruits, too, easily 10 servings a day. Whole grain carbs are part of my daily diet. I'm reluctant to give up meat, dairy, egg and oils completely since I don't have to, my numbers are good and no meds yet.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-09 09:21:20 -0600 Report

I read that book a while ago, it was interesting but quite bias. I found that when I ate a low fat mainly plant based diet all my numbers were much higher than when I switched to a lower carb, higher fat and animal protein diet. It was a significant change, not a few points on a few tests here or there, LDL dropped by about 60 points, trigs dropped into the 30's, HDL went up 50% and my cholesterol ratio dropped significantly.

One book doesn't make it true, there are thousands of studies that show that X diet is the greatest one and will cure all. Funny how they all fit into 4 or 5 roughly similar diets that are usually polar opposites but the results seem to be almost identical.

mlaporte69
mlaporte69 2010-11-08 18:50:03 -0600 Report

I am not sure but I believe we can beat rhese meds for type 2 diabetes. I have been type2 for several years now and even with meds I was unable to control it. My levels ran well in he 200's. After several months of that I said enough!! So, I was determined to beat this thing one way or another. I started with given up candy or sweets, That was good but not enough, Of course a 2 liter of mountain dew even thou it was diet,wasn't good either. So I decided to give up soda altogether. Then and only then did I see a difference. At that point was still taking 1500 mg metfomin twice a day. So I changed my diet alot. I still eat good foods, prettymuch whatever I want. I try to watch the sugar levels, No pop, Cut back on pasta and breads. And have paid attention to what I eat and how much, I ty not to go back for seconds at any meal. Needless to say, Yes I am still type 2 . But, my metformin has been lowered to 1000 mg twice a day, I don't get tired from just breathing, and have dropped 45 pounds since I changed my habits and ya it wasn't easy!!!!! At all, but I actually tried to drink a pop sunday at a party( the first swallow in 4 years) and it tasted like crap. I know your gonna say ya but ur still taken the meds. And your right I am but, the mg have been lowered and I am strongly believing if I can change just a few things in my life and the the doc lowers the dose (which is just what happened) and If I do like he wants and quit smoking and do a little extra activities. Then maybe just maybe I will beat this whole thing. Not to worry, I have an appointment in a month and will keep you updated. I also forgot, After giving up those few things in life, my sugar runs at around 117 - 135 depends on how I eat that day. Atleast its not 200 anymore. My doctor made gie 2 urine samples the last time I seen him. Now that its that low,Wonder if he will make me do 3 next month.

Rockin' Ruby Buscie
Rockin' Ruby Buscie 2010-11-08 13:48:35 -0600 Report

My doctor says if you get that stomache surgery that re-routs your stomach not just makes it smaller, you can get completely off med because everything will be gone. I think he just wants me to lose weight and I simply can't but I will NEVER get that surgery he's talking about. NEVER.

Avera
Avera 2008-12-04 21:36:35 -0600 Report

Mr. Roberts gave an excellent point,,,it is an individual thing. Some people may be the type to eventually come off the medications and others, no matter what they do, it never happens. Both my brother and his wife have Type 2. Both were told they had it within two weeks of each other.

Both took the same meds and both needed to lose lots of weight and exercise more. They both did this and even lost down to a normal weight for their size. They joined a gym and exercised together everyday. My brother now controls his diabetes with diet alone. My sister-in-law is now controlling her weight, still exercising, BUT she has had to now take two different kind of pills, plus the diet and exercise to control hers. This is an example of just what he mentioned.

happi
happi 2010-11-06 10:20:14 -0500 Report

Diagnosed 4 years ago. 5'9" was 153 lbs. now 127 so really skinny. I had always worked out…diet not so great, but not terrible. I am taking metformin twice a day plus 6-8 units of Lantus each night, That's a tiny amount I am told. Doc told me I will always be on meds., even though I work out 4-5 days a weeks 1-1 1/2 hours per, and eat super healthy. He said if anyone could have been off all meds and reversed diabetes it should have been me. But sometimes your pancreas just says "no more help from me".

SkipT
SkipT 2008-12-04 17:59:16 -0600 Report

I have been off the meds for 6 months now. My last A1C was 5.9. I was diagnosed two years ago and was initially put on Actos and metformin. I was 261 lbs. I lost 70 lbs on a very low carb diet. I have kept the weight off and hope to get my numbers even lower at the next doctors visit in 6 months.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2008-12-04 10:05:46 -0600 Report

If you are type 1 you will always need insulin due to the nature of it.

If you are type 2 you may or may not be able to come of medications. It's individual, some people can manage with diet and exercise, some people can do everything the can but still need medication. If your body stops producing insulin, which is quite common in the long term, you will always need insulin. However, you should understand that insulin isn't the last resort, it is just another medication that does a specific job. Other than being a natural hormone so really has no side effects and the action it performs there really is no difference between insulin and any oral medication or other injection medication.

The other types become a little trickier but gestational should go away after birth but will probably come back later down the line as type 2. LADA will always need insulin. MODY will always need medication. As the different subtypes become better defined things may change though.

marobins
marobins 2010-11-11 21:06:21 -0600 Report

I beg to differ. You can get off of insulin. I was at 340# when diagnosed. I have been insulin free since July 1 this year. I do not take drugs at all. Exercise is very important. You have to force your muscles to burn sugar. You have to be able to say no to your self. It is not easy but please don't say you can't get off insulin. You got into trouble by what you put into your mouth and you can get iout of trouble by what you put in yiour mouth. I am now at 180# that 160# differnce from when I started. I have been a diabetic for sixteen years and haven't felt this good in one long time. If you are a diabetic that was onset at youth that is different for there is something wrong with the pancreas. then you have to have Insulin for your body does not make any, but adult onset is usually caused by insulin resistance in you cells and the more drugs you take the more insulin resistant you become. next is stonger drugs and then stonger drugs , when that does not work any more because your body becomes more insulin resistant finally you get put on the raw stuff and the body keeps getting more resistant. When I started to get off insulin I was at 9 on the A1C scale and now I am at 6.7 which is a major accomplishment for me. I could go on for a long time but you can do it but you really have to want to. Good luck every one don't let the Doctor tell you have to be one drugs all your life. Remember Diabetes is big money and big Pharma wants to keep you on drugs You can beat this I am not the only one to do this.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-11 21:14:21 -0600 Report

Being type 1 and being on insulin are not the same. Type 1 is an autoimmune disease that destroys the insulin producing cells of the pancreas, no insulin means you will die. A type 2 who can still.produce insulin may be able to get off insulin but not a type 1.

marobins
marobins 2010-11-11 21:29:53 -0600 Report

When you are a youth diagnosed diabeteic you have a problem with no insulin production ( brittle). I have done much study and research on this and I am living proof you can get off of it. In all the study I have done , you are diagnosed with type one when you are put on insulin. I have never found anything about auto imune desease. KD it is about insulin resistance I was one insilin for five years and my pancreas still works . So maybe there is a few with your auto immune problem but is more than not that the pancrease just can't produce enough to keep up any more to the sugar you keep dumping into your system. Thats when you get put on insulin to make up for what the pancreas can't make enough to keep up. I'll guarentee that when I die it will not be from lack of insulin. Is that what you Doctor told you?

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-11 21:56:24 -0600 Report

You need to do more research. Type 1 is autoimmune, the tests for it test autoimmune antibodies like GAD65 and GAD67. Type 2 is usually associated with insulin resistance. Most type 1s are very insulin sensitive. Type 1 is not always diagnosed in the young, a lot of adults get diagnosed with it. If you are type 1 you will never produce insulin naturally again. I can guarantee you that if I stop taking insulin, I will die, probably before the end of the month.

marobins
marobins 2010-11-11 22:26:07 -0600 Report

It seems if you want to argue. I have been off insulin for Seventeen weeks and guess what I am not dead. I did not set up my computer to respond to diabetic connect letters on a auto responce. You are receiving this message from a real live person and I know that I will live a lot longer with out injections than with. I have done a lot of research. Do you have a damaged pancreas? where you are young in life diabetic? Then if so I would agree with you as I stated in my original reply if you really read all of it. I stated if you have a damaged panceras you would have to use insulin since you don't make any. If you are a adult onset which I am my pancreas just could not keep up. I wrote once before and voiced a few thing and right away I had some one reply very soon trying to crawl down my throat about hte same thing. If you are on the needle you are a type one diabetic according to my doctor but as I recall you made a statement that if you were on insulin you could never get off and I just replyed that one can. If I was wrong I will have myself scouraged with a organic carrot at dawn. So sorry. A insulin dependant diabetic that does not take insulin any more.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2010-11-12 05:44:42 -0600 Report

I see where the confusion is. Either you misheard your doctor or he said the wrong thing because taking insulin and being type 1 are not the same. People with type 2 who take insulin are still type 2, type 1 is a different disease in the diabetes family of diseases. There is also no such thing as adult onset diabetes or juvenile diabetes anymore and hasn't need for many years. They were reclassified as type 2 for adult onset and type 1 for juvenile because anyone can get either diseases. Type 1 is an autoimmune attack on the pancreas, all type 1s have it and none will ever produce insulin again unless there is a medical breakthrough. Type 2 includes a lot but is not an autoimmune attack on the pancreas and is usually associated with insulin resistance or a reduced insulin production but still able to produce some. Eventually a type 2s pancreas can burn out, in which case they will need insulin for the rest of their life. If you are a type 2 who uses insulin and your problem is insulin resistance but you still produce enough insulin to live, you can make changes to reduce the insulin resistance and probably get off insulin. A type 1 will never have that option, unless there is a medical breakthrough.

I'm not trying to crawl down your throat, just trying to help since the misinformation you have been told is not good to put out there.

marobins
marobins 2010-11-12 09:58:08 -0600 Report

I stand very corrected and do agree with you that if you have a auto immune problem then you will never be off of insulin. I guess I miss understood at first and thought you ment if you were on insulin you could never be off ever. So not thinking from your stand point I see where you are coming from. What I was talking about and living is being able to get off insulin if you pancreas is still putting out and maybe my doctor misinformed me. I have never done any research in area with your problem. I don't have the problem although I am aware of the problem so I only researched what effected me. I have and people like me can get off of insulin. You and people with the same situation will always have to have a out side insulin source. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

2008-12-04 09:59:57 -0600 Report

I was diagnosed several years ago and was put on oral meds. However, I was able to go off them and get my numbers under control with diet. I have not been on any meds now for almost 3 years, and am still doing fine. In the process, I lost 115lbs, which I have been able to keep off. I am still trying to get off more weight, and when I had my last blood work done, just a month ago, my levels were fine.

dolphins2
dolphins2 2010-11-12 10:44:27 -0600 Report

I was DX 2/2/2010 a1c 11.6 put on glipizide since with diet and excerise have lost 87 lbs and two weeks ago taken off meds . My blood levels on fast 107-115 and my a1c is at 5.4…I have type 2

sstarlight
sstarlight 2008-12-04 16:27:38 -0600 Report

It's encouraging to hear you got off the meds & kept the weight off too. I've lost almost 70 lbs & keep reading articles stating after 2 years a high percentage of people gain the weight back. My BS is good & I've gone from an A1C of 6.8 to 5.4. What were your levels at when the dr took you off the meds?

2008-12-04 16:35:30 -0600 Report

I don't remember what my numbers were at the time I went off my meds, it was too long ago, but the last time my A1C was at 6.1, which the dr. was pleased with. Of course, I know it needs to be lower, but considering I haven't been on any meds for several yrs., she was very glad. Hopefully, I can get it down even farther. At least, that's what I'm working on.

sstarlight
sstarlight 2008-12-04 17:22:12 -0600 Report

That's great to be at 6.1 without meds! Good job! Hopefully I'll be able to do that sometime in the future, unfortunately my doctor has not even mentioned cutting down my meds or anything. I've only been taking them since Oct of 07 so that might be why.

2008-12-04 18:22:12 -0600 Report

I was on meds for about a year before I was able to go off of them. However, as I said before, I have been off the meds for almost 3 years.

2008-12-05 06:02:48 -0600 Report

You both are very inspiring, and I want to praise you both on the hard work and dieting you have done, that is terrific. Claudia

2008-12-05 12:04:30 -0600 Report

Thank you very much. Comments like yours helps me to keep on trying. I appreciate everything you have said.

gma
gma 2008-12-05 19:10:45 -0600 Report

I have type 2 and am not on any meds. What I would like to know is how do you all keep your sugar down. One day I eat and it is ok and then the next day I eat the same and it is high Help I would like to know what everyone is eating that is not on meds I seem to always be hungrey

mlaporte69
mlaporte69 2010-11-08 19:33:39 -0600 Report

Well it may not be just what your eating. How much exercise are you doing? What kinda foods are you eating? I will give you my menu for a day and maybe this will help you Breakfast: 3 egg whites fried in evoo 1 piece 7 grain toast with not butter, 1 8oz glass of OJ 1 cup coffee no sweetner 2 pieces turkey bacon and either an apple or banana, The comes lunch: ussually a PBJ sandwich, a few grapes,a bottle or 2 of water and that ussually gets me threw until dinner: which today I had 8 or 10 oz servin of baked ribs, a cup of 3 grain rice and for desset a homemade diabetic peach cobbler found in a cookbook for diabetes

PittyPaw§
PittyPaw§ 2010-11-06 11:13:39 -0500 Report

Make sure you ALWAYS eat your breakfast. However, try to stay away from places like fast food joints…If at all possible. Make sure you have some form of protein with Every meal. ALSO, remember your fruits and veggies. Especially the high fiber ones. As far as staying away from ALL of the junk foods, you HAVE to have some NOW AND THEN, or you start to feel deprived. ALWAYS remember one thing MODERATION IS THE KEY to all of this. If you eat chips or something to try to calm a craving, put a FEW in a bowl and put the bag away. If you dont you have a tendency to over eat. Once you put your portion in a bowl, THAT IS ALL you get..Plus remember 3 regular MODERATE meals a day and 2-3 SMALL snacks. then you should be ok. I usually make sure my FINAL snack is about 2 hours before bedtime, when the rest of the family is having their snack. Then I dont feel deprived either. If they are having some Ice Cream, HAVE SOME…just the sugar free or LITE brand. You will find your numbers settling shortly.

CaliKo
CaliKo 2010-11-06 10:48:15 -0500 Report

I eat whole grains in moderation, fresh fruits and vegetables, fish at least 3 times a week, lean meats about 6 oz / day. The non-starchy vegetables I quite a lot of, average about 10 servings a day. A couple of servings of fruit a day, usually berries or a small pear or apple or a clementine orange. Sunflower seeds or low-fat cheese or 8 almonds for hunger attacks. All the water, coffee and tea with nothing added I want. Remember to add in the good fats, olive oil on salads or sauteed or roasted vegetables, slices of avocado on salad, fish. Splurging for me means I have one of those little 1/2 cup containers of plain ice cream for a bedtime snack maybe twice a month. I haven't had to take any meds yet, except a statin, which I'm on a break from now to see how my numbers are without it after weight loss and good diet. Good luck.

2008-12-05 20:18:36 -0600 Report

I cut out all the junk, regular soda, potato chips and dip, candy bars, and eating breakfast almost every day from McDonalds. I still have my splurges, but I do try my best to keep things in perspective when it comes to my binges. I can usually tell if I have gone overboard with my eating by the way I feel without even testing my sugar.

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