Is honey ok?

SoTyred (Tony)
By SoTyred (Tony) Latest Reply 2013-01-24 21:04:36 -0600
Started 2013-01-19 10:49:50 -0600

I have just been diagnosed with Type 2 and am trying to control it through diet. My doctor's orders are no sugar whatsoever. But reading your recipe for Chocolate-Banana Sipper Recipe has left me a bit confused. That is, is honey ok or not?


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Ridgewalker
Ridgewalker 2013-01-24 13:32:19 -0600 Report

A tsp. of honey has a glycemic load of 16, so it's about the lowest of most natural food sweeteners. For coffee or tea, try cinnamon and half and half rather than a sweetener. It's about the healthyest drink on earth for a diabetic. Coffee has more antioxidants than any other commonly eaten food, even decaf., by a long ways. Cinnamon increases glucose metabolism by 2,000% in vitro (it acts like insulin), and a substance has been found that ony occurs in full fat dairy that reduces risk of type 2 diabetes by 60%. Any one who tells a diabetic to use low fat is an idiot. With milk, the lower the fat the more carbs. and higher glycemic it is, look on the carton for carbs. if your don't believe me. Saturated fat makes your LDL particles big and fluffy, lowers triglycerides, raises HDL and reduces risk of heart disease and stroke. High glycemic carbohydrates raises blood sugar and insulin, raises triglycerides, lowers HDL, and makes your LDL particles small, and increases your risk for heart disease, stroke, and most all chronic diseases. What for dessert? Glycemic load of a whole piece of cheesecake is only 10, and it's mostly all healthy saturated fat. Reason I know this is because I'm an orthomolecular nutritionist specializing in weight loss and diabetes. Notice how I don't use good and bad cholesterol because there is no such thing…
It's not how high your LDL cholesterol is, it's the particle size that's important.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-01-24 14:02:35 -0600 Report

your statement that "Cinnamon increases glucose metabolism by 2,000% in vitro" does not hold up in Vivo. I have been searching for a Cinnamon which does what it is suggested it will do for years, but have not yet found it. There are folks who have said that they have had a modicum of success with cinnamon, but others who claim no effect, like me.

From what school did you get your Orthomolecular nutritionist "shingle"?

Ridgewalker
Ridgewalker 2013-01-24 20:20:58 -0600 Report

I went to Natural Healing Institute in Encinitas CA, Steve Schecter was my teacher. It was rated one of the top 3 for nutrition but I'd already studied for about 12 years on my own, plus taught mycology for 12 years. Cinnamon Cassia is the best. I take a teaspoon twice a day in my Starbucks decaf. and it really does help. Probably works as well as Metformin - 1,500 mg. I've been using it for 13 years and can really tell the difference if I don't. So a gram won't do much, you got to suck it up.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-01-24 21:04:36 -0600 Report

fortunately I don't need Met, OR cinnamon. I manage my diabetes with a meal plan which is tailored to the insulin my pancreas produces.

The recommendation of cinnamon casia surprises me. I tried both cassia (grocery store cinnamon) and Zylonicium (aka Ceylon cinnamon) with little results.

So you are saying I have to take a great deal of the cassia to get results from cinnamon.

My problem is I don't drink coffee at all due to my Chronic Kidney disease. I only drink filtered water. The cinnamon is not all that mixable with even coffee (yes I USED to drink it and I have tried it that way — just not that much at a time)

"Mycology" = the study of mushrooms and fungi. So we have a fungus among us, LoL!

jayabee52
jayabee52 2013-01-21 02:59:08 -0600 Report

Not EVERY recipe here is "Diabetes Friendly". Since every Person's metabolism may be a different our abilities to handle certain foods & drinks differ as well. You are given the responsibility to know what works for you and what does not "play nice" with your metabolism. That may be done by following the instructions here ~ http://www.diabeticconnect.com/discussions/14... Then you can know how your BGs are affected by particular foods or drinks.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-01-19 10:56:25 -0600 Report

Honey is like any processed sugar. The benefit of it is that there are nutrients and medicinal benefits to it that sugar lacks. But it is a sugar.

Many of the recipes here have sugar or honey in them and often you can substitute that with a sweetener such as stevia or Truvia. It is often not that you are eating sugar, but how much that is the problem. So much of our processed foods are filled with some sort of sweet that it messes us up.

The best way to really tell how it affects you is to eat something and then test. Test before you eat it and then every 30 minutes after eating it for up to 2 hours or when you start to see your levels begin to drop. If you rise more than 40 points after eating you have either eaten too much or something that your body just doesn't react well to. It does take some experimenting.

To be honest, in a recipe that has bananas and honey in it, the bananas might do more harm than than the honey.

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