Alternative Treatments for Diabetes

By I_will_fight_it Latest Reply 2013-01-08 23:22:49 -0600
Started 2013-01-04 15:54:22 -0600

Hello everyone!

I am new to the site and new to the disease. One and a half months ago I was diagnosed with diabetes. For the person who always had a very active healthy life it was more then just a shock. I will not be describing what I felt just will say that the first thing that came out of my mouth was: why I didnt just get run by a car? They sent me a psychologist right away…I cried my eyes out for the whole week in a hospital and was telling a doctor I was not gonna be living my life like this. One frase he told me change my entire point of view, he asked me if I wanted to go blind or have some pieces of my body taken off? I would not wish it to experience something like this at the age of 27 to anyone…But deep inside I already knew I was gonna fight it until I win.

The only person I shared what happened to me at first was my mom, sometimes she could turn into some kind of researcher when it was needed…so while I was still in the hospital she started looking for different ways of treating diabetes. I left the hospital with 40 unit/daily and 3 times/2units C-food( Novolog, short turm insulin). The doctors could not figure out what type I had and thought most likely I am either T1 or MODY. I am thin and young which is usually T1 but my father had T1 since he was 9yo so as his child I should be T2…that's what they thought. MODY was "perfect" for me…Honestly I did not care what it was I just knew I was going to have NONE and I still think so:)

After some reaserch my mother found supplements called transfer factors, and I started taking them as soon as in 10 days after I was diagnosed. I added stem cell products and ganoderma to everyhing. It is a total of 21 capsulls a day. They have no side affects. I started to reduce my Lantus myself from 40 to 30, then 25->22->20->15->10->8->none. I stopped doing Novolog fom 3 times daily to 2->1->none! I am currently on 500mg metformin a day ONLY. It makes me feel wonderful in general and I am full of energy like before, plus I went back to my martial arts shcool. My doctor suppors me a lot and she approved everything( I showed her all my supps). Does anyone takes somthing like it as well and what are the results? My current sugars are 90 to 160(after food) but I know it hasnt been too long since I started so I am super happy for current results. I watch my diet and do sports, and dont read any negative info about the disease! I know one day will get rid of it!


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Knowledgeseeker 2013-01-08 11:52:46 -0600 Report


The Edmonton Protocol involves isolating islets from a cadaveric donor pancreas using a mixture of enzymes called Liberase (Roche). Each recipient receives islets from one to as many as three donors. The islets are infused into the patient's portal vein, and are then kept from being destroyed by the recipient's immune system through the use of two immunosuppressants, sirolimus and tacrolimus as well as a monoclonal antibody drug used in transplant patients called daclizumab.

Islet isolation and transplantation was pioneered by Paul Lacy throughout the 1960s. He and Walter Ballinger together were able to restore normoglycaemia in diabetic rats following the transplantation of isolated islets into the rodent's livers. Scientists have not yet successfully translated Dr. Lacy's success in rodents to humans.

The Edmonton Protocol was primarily developed by Dr James Shapiro (transplant surgeon), Jonathan Lakey Ph.D., Dr Edmond Ryan (endocrinologist), Gregory Korbutt Ph.D., Dr. Ellen Toth, Dr. Garth Warnock, Dr. Norman Kneteman, and Ray Rajotte Ph.D., at the University of Alberta Hospital and the Surgical-Medical Research Institute. The first patient was treated using the Edmonton Protocol in March 1999. The protocol was first published in the New England Journal of Medicine in July 2000.

The NEJM report was exciting for the diabetes field because the seven patients undergoing the Edmonton Protocol remained insulin-independent after an average of 12 months.
Current review

It has recently been reported that of thirty-six patients transplanted, only sixteen (44%) were insulin-independent after one year; ten (28%) had partial graft function after one year; and ten (28%) had complete graft loss after one year. Insulin independence is not usually sustainable in the long term, but the transplanted islets still function enough to provide protection from severe hypoglycemic episodes and unawareness.

The major problem limiting islet transplantation therapy for type 1 diabetic individuals is the lack of organ donors.

"Since 2000, Several hundred people have received islet transplants, by a year after transplant, 50 - 68% of patients do not need to receive additional insulin, but by five years after the procedure, few than 10% of total patients are free of daily insulin supplementaition."[1]

Knowledgeseeker 2013-01-08 11:49:57 -0600 Report

The Science of Ganoderma

Ganoderma Lucidum is known as the "King of Herbs." It is commonly known as Ling Zhi in Chinese. This herb produces a group of triterpenes, called ganoderic acids, which have a molecular structure similar to steroid hormones. It also contains other compounds many of which are typically found in fungal materials including polysaccharides such as beta-Glucan.

Ganoderma is considered the number one Anti Aging herb in the world. Of the hundreds of healthy nutrients, Ganoderma has many antioxidants and other nutrients that can support the body in reversing and slowing down the aging process. The effects of the Ganoderma antioxidants can reduce and reverse DNA damage and oxidative stress on the cells in your body. They can also control or inhibit the damage of free radicals which are a major cause of cell degeneration, aging and disease.

The Ganoderma Polysaccharides can reverse aging of your immune system, digestive system, blood sugar and pancreatic functions. These polysaccharides can also help your body protect itself against early breakdown of the cells throughout your body and in your skin which can lead to wrinkles. The lack of proper cellular detoxification is a major factor in aging and the ganoderma polysaccharides have been found to help the cells of your body eliminate these accumulated toxins on a daily basis.
Superoxide Dismutase

An important enzyme found in Ganoderma Lucidum is Superoxide Dismutase or "SOD". Research has shown that SOD helps to protect most cells in the body from free radical attacks. This is an important factor in health, anti-aging and harnessing diseases as most diseases today are a result of the free radicals that affect us as we age. Consuming the Ganoderma herb can help you increase and maintain your SOD level thus helping your body defend against these free radicals.

Another important nutrient in Ganoderma is Germanium which has been found to Increase the levels of oxygen in the body which can improve the health and vitality of all the cells of your body and lead to a strong immune system and increased energy. Other nutrients in Ganoderma help with anti-aging by increasing the body's metabolism, efficiency of the digestive system, increased healing, improved circulation resulting in improved energy production.

I_will_fight_it 2013-01-08 21:36:34 -0600 Report

Thank you very much for "break down" of ganoderma. Unfortunatelly I dont have free time to spend online so did did "the job" for me.
I also take GURMAR which is also called Gymnema Sylvestre, has been used in India for more than 2000 years to control the presence of carbohydrates in urine and diabetes. Used as a stimulant, laxative, Diuretic, and Stomachic, anti Anthelmintice. It is also used in the diseases of heart, piles, asthma, bronchitis, biliousness and cures burning sensation. It stimulates the heart, urinary disorders. It avoids the harmful effects of insulin. The Indian name Gumar or Gurmar literally means "Sugar Killer".

Used in treatment of obesity and to control glucose level of diabetes. Its regular use will help keep blood sugar level within acceptable limits.
Ayurvedic Study of Gymnema Sylvestre

This herb from India has been used for 100 years to balance blood sugar levels. It works with the pancreas and helps build necessary insulin producing cells. It has been used for both type I and type II diabetes. Used to treat obesity and diabetes in India for over 2000 years. Studies have shown the blood sugar balancing effect of this herb. It has been shown in a clinical trial to assist in the regeneration of insulin producing Beta Cells. Can reduce prescription insulin requirements for those diabetics who actively monitor blood sugar levels. Helps blood sugar stay within acceptable limits. Also helps to reduce empty calories in the body and helps the body to properly use ingested sugars. It curbs down the craving for sugars. It acts in the taste buds in the oral cavity as well as in the intestine. It contains Gymnemic Acid and atomic arrangement of Gymnemic acid molecules are similar to that of glucose molecules. Gymnemic Acid molecules fill the receptor locations on the taste buds thereby preventing activation of taste buds by sugar molecules present in the food, thus, curbing the sugar craving. Similarly, Gymnemic acid molecules fill the receptor location in the absorptive external layers of the intestine thereby preventing the sugar molecules absorption by the intestine which results in low blood sugar level.

It is an awesome herb, it helps to lower my sugars like a shot of insulin, I take it after food, 3 times a day. It is very easy to find more info about this herb and it is also relatively cheap.

GabbyPA 2013-01-08 20:06:24 -0600 Report

So the primary benefits of this for us is the increased circulation and strong immune system? Since diabetes can be an attack on our autoimmune system, is this the key?

Knowledgeseeker 2013-01-07 21:02:21 -0600 Report

Take a look at the Edmonton Protocol if you are type 1.
. Tell us more about the "Stem Cell" Treatment
Good luck

I_will_fight_it 2013-01-08 21:59:59 -0600 Report

I will not name any of the products I am taking because some people just misunderstand my intnetions, so I am going to just post a short descreptions:
Aphanizomenon flos-aquae (AFA Concentrate)… PLUS three ingredients now discovered to work in partnership with AFA Concentrate to support a more significant increase in the release of adult stem cells:

Aphanizomenon flos-aquae (AFA Concentrate) is documented to support the natural release of adult stem cells from bone marrow.

Undaria pinnatifida is a marine alga from pristine ocean environments around the world, and is well known to support the immune system. Fucoidan from Undaria Pinnatifida has been documented to support a long-lasting increase in the number of circulating stem cells.

Polygonum multiflorum is an herb with a long history of use to support health and rejuvenation. An extract of Polygonum multiflorum was recently documented to support the release of stem cells from the bone marrow.

Cordyceps sinensis is a synergistic ingredient that has been associated with stamina and longevity, and a wide variety of health benefits. When used with AFA Concentrate, fucoidan from Undaria pinnatifida and Polygonum multiflorum extract, it has been documented to synergistically support stem cell release.

Your body’s renewal system depends on the number of adult stem cells into your bloodstream. Your own adult stem cells have the power to maintain and repair tissue cells as needed – a vital, life-sustaining process that helps to maintain your health and well-being.

Here you go…:)

GabbyPA 2013-01-07 11:12:43 -0600 Report

It seems you have ventured into some supplements I have never heard of using before. Stem cell and gandomera I thought were things that could only be done surgically or under a physicians care. Can you share why you have chosen those supplements and how they work for you.

I know there are a lot of great things out there to be uncovered for us. It is amazing that it did so much in such a short time and I am glad you have the support of your doctor and your family in this. That is so important. I hope your doctor is taking good notes to see what can be applied to others.

I also hope that you are logging this in a journal so you can find out what combinations work best and find those patterns that keep you going. It will be very interesting to see how you are doing in 3 more months. I hope you are able to share with us your progress. Who knows, you may be a key to someone else getting the help they need when conventional thinking has failed them.

IronOre 2013-01-08 00:00:47 -0600 Report

oh man, do I have a great idea !!!
Gabby should try these things and keep a journal of so that she can find out if it really works for her, or anybody else.
Who knows, she may be a key to someone getting the help they need when conventional thinking has failed them.
This really would be really great, and Diabetic Connect would be world famous, with maybe a mini-series on a cable medical channel.

GabbyPA 2013-01-08 20:01:09 -0600 Report

You know, there is great power in the venue of trial and error. It seems to be working for I_will_fight_it, and why would I steal her thunder?

Why would I want to seek fame? I just want to find things that work for people. Is there something wrong with wanting that? Conventional thinking and conventional medicines fail a lot of us. It certainly has failed me. Thinking outside the realm of "normal" is where discovery is made.

I'm sorry you feel that is such a "pipe dream" or "waste of time". Everyone else here was giving cautions for advice and I hate to see new ideas being squished. As long as she is getting the support of her medical team, I think she should go for it and who knows, maybe she will find the next big thing in diabetes treatment.

jayabee52 2013-01-08 00:21:32 -0600 Report

really Iron, keep your day job comedy is not your forte'

I_will_fight_it 2013-01-08 21:45:29 -0600 Report

I dont find anything bad in trying the herbs instead of injecting myself with insulin that my young stong body can and should produce itself. I do write everything down, so who knows maybe it is going to be a way out, hopefully not only for me. I strongly believe one day I will be free of diabetes with God's help and human suppport.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2013-01-05 17:43:34 -0600 Report

I have to agree with the other responses. What you are doing is dangerous. You are in what is called the honeymoon phase. Once your body get used to the supplements they will more than likely stop working. What may be working for you may not work for anyone else and I am having trouble with you saying your doctor supports this.

There is no cure for diabetes so no matter what you do, you are still going to have it. There may or may not be a cure. We don't know. Even if you get to the point you no longer need meds, you will be in remission and it can flare up again at anytime. So you are young and thin, that doesn't mean that is the reason why you are T1. As a former EMT, I have transported all kinds of people of different weights and ages to the hospital who are T1. There is no evidence that because your dad is T1 you will be T2. My parents were not diabetic and neither is my sister and I am T2.

You have given yourself false hope which is not going to benefit you in the end. What you are saying doesn't make sense. Your mom did the research, did she make sure the information she read was from a qualified medical person or was it information she found in someones blog or a report written by someone writing as a freelance reporter or a reporter who covers medical issues.

My former boss is an RN and a Licensed Certified Holistic Practioner. She rented space from the company I worked for. She told me and several of my co-workers not to ever take supplements on your own for any illness on your own. She said supplements are not approved by the FDA and unless you know what herbs and plants will do to you or what is actually in the supplement, you can cause harm to the bodies organs. Sometimes we want a fast cure, when you come to terms with your disease and realize there is no quick fix, that the supplements may not work for long, then you are going to have to do what every other diabetic does, manage your diabetes.

I_will_fight_it 2013-01-05 19:58:18 -0600 Report

Thank you very much for your reply. As I mentioned earlier my mom talked to doctors as well as to several people who does great after being diagnosed with diabetes.
I did give myself a hope, but we dont know if it is going to be false, as well as we dont know when an actual cure for this disease going to be found.
I already started managing my diabetes, maybe not the way most of people do but at the end Lantus is always out there.

granniesophie 2013-01-05 20:12:06 -0600 Report

Why do you feel that Lantus is only for the "end"? I applaud your positive attitude and desire to get off meds for your Diabetes, whatever type you think you have, but if you are a Type 1, you need to be on meds, because you aren't producing insulin. If Type 2, perhaps with a very strict diet and lots of exercise you'll be able to contriol it for many years, but do not for one minute think that insulin is the enemy, as you seem to. It is just one more tool in our arsenal of taking better care of ourselves. It is nothing to be ashamed of.
I, along with others on DC, wish you good luck in your journey toward controlling your Diabetes, and I, for one, don't want you to be disappointed if all your many supplements don't work as you want them to, and you have to go back to what the rest of us do, controlling with some kind of meds. It's a tough disease, and progressive, as anyone can tell you here.

I_will_fight_it 2013-01-05 20:23:55 -0600 Report

Oh no, insulin is not an enemy, it is a friend we want our pancreas to produce, I dont want insulin from outside, I want it to be my own. Why not to try to give it a chance? One of the doctors in a hospital told me there is a very slight chance to move from T1 to T2, not backwards! You know there are so many people out there and everyone has their own story of fighting it or giving up. I know I may go back to insulin, maybe…when I am 70:) but for now I will do everything possible to stay off meds and maintain my sugar within a normal range.
Thanks for your reply and wishes of luck.

type1skillset 2013-01-05 21:07:11 -0600 Report

I trust you will find your way. Just a point. There is NO WAY POSSIBLE, that you will progress from T1 to T2. They are two completely unrelated diseases. One is autoimmune, attacking the cells that produce insulin (T1) and the other is a result of resistance of the body to its own insulin which eventually causes the cells to degrade over time of the pancreas (very simplistic overview). If you are a T1 you are going to be that for life You need insulin.
All of the advice everyone has shared with you is because they care and we have been diabetics (T1 and T2) for many years. I would like to reiterate, without science that it works, it is purely dangerous. I hope that things go well for you and know that despite a difference of opinion, I am glad that you have been brave enough to share and participate as it gives us all a chance to discuss issues that others are probably facing to.
Stay involved with this community, it is one of the few online that is both supportive and caring even when there is not agreement. - Harrison

type1skillset 2013-01-05 12:50:54 -0600 Report

Hi all, I am very concerned by the overview written here. It is very easy to have a number of different philosophies and none of them are necessarily wrong provided they are backed up by evidence. Firstly, there is no evidence that shows because your father was type 1 this makes you more at risk of type 2. There is a genetic component of type 2 diabetics having type 2 offspring (possible source of confusion?) and I can understand when there are a lot of things being talked about, that this could be confused.

What you are getting from these supplements, I would agree with members below, is more likely from the honeymoon phase of being a type 1. When the body is given a "break" by injecting the insulin from the outside (novolog for example), all of sudden the body seems to respond like normal for a period. This is short lived.
Here are my concerns, and I comment wanting to help, not to criticize.
What is being suggested to you is dangerous. Once the honeymoon phase wears out, the supplements you are taking will not help move sugar from the blood into your cells (only insulin and exercise can do this). You will then develop ketones as a result of using other fuel sources and finally ketoacidosis which ultimately means hospitalization, even death (I am very serious on this one and not exaggerating). If you end up running high sugars all the time, the fact is (DCCT trial if you want the reference), you are more likely to loose your eyesight, and have infections along with nerve pain. Please for the sake of yourself, ask for evidence in what you are doing. If there is no science you are putting yourself in extreme danger.

My ask, is please avoid these supplements and go back to your doctor to get your diabetes straightened out. Think about it. If they were that good, everybody would be raving about them.
If you want further info on how insulin works,I have attached a link. All the best…

I_will_fight_it 2013-01-05 19:52:29 -0600 Report

Thank you very much for the link and your reply.
And for the advices too, I came here to look for additional info.
I know I am in honeymoon phase right now but when it ends I expect better not worse. You may think I dont have a very smart point of view but I have chosen to try something new because I trully believe it is going to help. The supplements I take are not going to move my sugars you are right but they are designed to recover my dead cells, basically what it is is a new innovation that is not well known yet( and my mom did talk to several doctors), I know it is risky, I know it I can message you a link to read about them. There is no chemicals in them, I also take immune system support herbs. I check my sugars 8 times a day to keep an eye on what is going on. My doctor is also monitoring me. Not everything that is not approved by DRs is bad for you or not working. Believe me, it is a business for them first/or second.(plz dont thow stones at me for saying this:)) I am not planning on developing ketones because I monitore it and I can ALWAYS go back to injections, thre is a solution to this curse somewhere out there.
And also I am not planning on taking all supps my enire life, but I want to do everything possible to try to cut off the roots of this disease. It is not gambling for me, it is a chose.

type1skillset 2013-01-06 08:45:49 -0600 Report

Glad to hear that you are monitoring. Keep testing as that is a great habit, and looking for what works for you. If you ever need support I am sure I speak on behalf of the group, you are welcome to find it here. The best way to protect the immune system early in diabetes is to use insulin (ref: Ryan 2007). It results in less insulin used later in the disease (not that insulin is a bad thing, just smaller amounts make it easier to fine tune). Take care - Harrison

Set apart
Set apart 2013-01-05 05:33:21 -0600 Report

Hi, welcome to DC, there's a lot of factors to consider here. I am no expert when it comes to D, but I would like to share my experience. I was 48 and very active upon diagnosis of T1, shocked and have fought it like you. It's been a roller coaster ride though, the first year upon diagnosis you are in a honeymoon phase, meaning your pancreas is still working for you sometimes releasing insulin so that you need very little or none! MY OPINION is that if they run a peptide test or check your antibodies you may be a T1 based on what you have shared. I had gone down to 19 units of Lantus, but lately they think that finally my pancreas is done, so my need for more insulin is rising :-(, to be hones I am glad it's done, so I can find my balance again. I am happy these supplements have worked for you, keep track of everything and I hope things stay this good for you! Good Luck!

IronOre 2013-01-04 22:07:29 -0600 Report

Sorry . . . but I smell a snake-oil salesman here.
Absolutely nothing she writes makes sense, including her responses below.

I_will_fight_it 2013-01-04 22:56:23 -0600 Report

I am very sorry you feel that way, but maybe just a bit less amount of hatrid will make you feel more appreciative for the information the other people are sharing. God bless.

IronOre 2013-01-05 09:06:27 -0600 Report

Why do you see hate in what I wrote ?
Hate towards who or what ?

Anonymous 2013-01-07 09:51:49 -0600 Report

Based upon what was typed she's giving her insight and experiences, seeking knowledge and advice. Name calling shouldn't be brought into the scenario.

IronOre 2013-01-07 18:45:24 -0600 Report

I definitely said "I smell a snake-oil saleman" and after looking it up, the definition certainly fits:
"Snake oil salesman refers to someone trying to get you to buy into something that is supposed to help or do something good but really is nothing at all like that. In fact, it may even be harmful.
The old medicine salesmen used to sell snake oil as a curative, as a health benefit, when it of course did nothing of the sort.
Snake oil is a fake, it doesn't do what the guy says it will. They are like those guys on infomercials you see on late night tv. Those people are the modern equivalent of the snakeoil salesmen, the old traveling medicine men.
And key to the whole thing is that the salesman knows very well that what he is selling is completely useless, and even harmful. It isn't like he is naive or misguided, he knows the line he is feeding is bull."

jayabee52 2013-01-07 23:21:26 -0600 Report

you just asked "what name calling" That IMO is calling names. That is a negative thing to say about someone. r

IronOre 2013-01-07 23:29:19 -0600 Report

Well, If the "snake oil salesman" has the desire to be a "snake oil salesman" then it is not negative.
To each his own, I guess.

IronOre 2013-01-08 00:20:36 -0600 Report

She did not call it "name calling" somebody else did.
She doesn't need to say anything if you and "anonymous" do the talking for her.

jayabee52 2013-01-04 19:05:27 -0600 Report

Howdy "Fight it" you say of those supliments "They have no side affects." For you that is. Not everyone is the same or reacts the same to the same medications, or even foods. I looked up ganoderma and found on Livestong a listing of side effects from that subatance ~

So someone who would follow your advice to the latter might well experience side effects. That would by only caveat to your original discussion.

I myself manage my blood glucose (BG) through my meal planning without the use of any diabetes medications whatsoever. I had been on insulin for a few years myself. I would be willing to share my meal plan with you upon your request.

I congratulate you on your determination to stop your diabetes in its tracks.


I_will_fight_it 2013-01-04 21:13:43 -0600 Report

No no, I was not suggesting to take any supps but was wondering if someone does so and what are the results. I read about ganoderma a lot and it CAN cause side affects usually after taking it longer then 16 months but it does lots of good stuff to your body as well. So please for those who thinks I was suggesting- talk to your doctor before taking anything. Thank you for your reply.

IronOre 2013-01-04 22:22:24 -0600 Report

trust me . . . no doctor will ever suggest trying ganoderma (mushrooms) to treat diabetes.
I would try them on pizza, but that's it.

jayabee52 2013-01-04 23:09:48 -0600 Report

MDs are usually leery of Alternative medicines because it doesn't fit with their medical model way of doing things.

Naturopathic Drs would NOT have a problem with it. "Fight it" was honest in her titling this discussion "Alternative treatments" I have been around this site long enough that I have heard about ganoderma before, and have had words with ganoderma sales people. "Fight it" does stike me as one of those (and I have my "radar" on for snake oil salespeople).

And I don't believe she is selling "snake oil" She is merely sharing her experience with controlling her diabetes her way.

As far as what toppings on a pizza, I like I prefer sliceed button mushrooms rather than some fungus coming from the side of a stump, but that's just me.

manapua72 2013-01-04 18:11:30 -0600 Report

Your father is type 1 so as his child you should be type 2 ???? One your doctors are CRAZY or u r mistaken as what the doctors said or thought … I've been diabetic for 10 years and come from a family of diabetics … I've studied a lot etc … over the years and though I do not in any form claim to know it all … No where ever have I come across a type 1 having a child so their kid is type 2 since parent is type 1 … Type 1 & type 2 r caused differently …

I_will_fight_it 2013-01-04 21:16:39 -0600 Report

They told me most likely if your parent is T1 you are going to be T2. I came from a healthy family(my mom and grandparents/greatgrandparents from both sides never had any health issues with anything, so I guess my father screwed me over. Thanks for the reply

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2013-01-05 17:47:30 -0600 Report

Your father didn't screw you over, you have diabetes which is something you are going to have to live with until a cure is found. Think about it, you can still have a life. There are people who can't see, walk, or have died from other things who are living life and not blaming someone for their medical problem.

I_will_fight_it 2013-01-05 20:14:11 -0600 Report

Out of topic, just will tell you he left my mom and me when I was 6 months old, never supported us or did anything to even be called a father. So he screwed me over not once but twice.
I dont blame anyone. I think about it a lot, about all the wonderful things that were taken from me for no reason and this curse I have to deal with. Trust me I think about everything thats why I accept I have it but I will never accept I will be having it forever.