Morning Sugars and tricks of the trade to lower them..

By Gingee4k Latest Reply 2012-11-19 06:27:20 -0600
Started 2012-11-13 13:15:12 -0600

I have a question for everyone. My morning sugars are always around 105 to 120 regardless if they are fasting or not. If you have yours are undercontrol can you send some hints my way on how to lower it? I'd really appreciate it.

36 replies

Set apart
Set apart 2012-11-15 05:48:03 -0600 Report

Your numbers are great! I usually worry when I am over 1120 in the morning, but my #s are usually in the 80s and sometimes lower, which is why I am now on a CGM, (Continuous Glucose Monitor), which alerts me when I get below 60 or above 150, my choice of numbers. This has been a life saver for me, sorry I waited so long! Keep up the great work.

MoeGig 2012-11-14 21:26:56 -0600 Report

You don't want to try to get lower than that. If you do, you'll miss eventually and you'll wake up with a bedroom full of EMT's pumping glucose into your veins…assuming your bed-mate calls them (like my wife does when she can't wake me). Anything under 180 fasting is good enough, and your A1c will most assuredly be under 7…which is all you need. I'm assuming your on insulin and Type 1 in my comments. I've spoken to EMT's about this over the years, and if they get there too late, they call it "dead in bed". I've come close, and have learned a little after all these years. Be very careful not to aim too low…

2manypricks 2012-11-14 00:39:07 -0600 Report

Your number sound great dont know what you are talking about. I would die to have those numbers. Do you want to switch mine in the morn are 175:/ What are you eating that i need to try?!

Gingee4k 2012-11-13 23:13:47 -0600 Report

My Doctor is the one telling me that that I'm too high. He even changed my meds to try to control my fastings. He wants at 80 or below. It feels good to know that I'm actually doing well, thanks. Sometimes I feel like I "Cheat" so much its harmful. Never thought of a long lasting Protein, actually never knew of such thing. I'll have to look it up.

jayabee52 2012-11-14 01:08:20 -0600 Report

actually there have been studies which have determined that too tight control of Blood Glucose (BG) levels may not be good for People with diabetes. The one I am thinking about had to be discontinued because a couple of PWDs died from the lows produced by the studies.

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2012-11-14 02:49:51 -0600 Report

James, I have several questions about the test…
Were they on insulin?
Were they T1 or T2?
Did they take any diabetes meds?
Were they controlling their diabetes by diet and/or exercise?
What were their A1c?

Besides the above questions, what BG numbers do get other times of the day?
Since what our liver, pancreas, metabolism, and other various body parts do or don't do we all have different bg goals and ways to try and meet them.
My Dr. was happy with my fasting bg below 100. Luckily my insulin production and usage of it are maintaining if I watch my carbs for now. Some grains seem to cause BG spikes for me. So wheat, corn, rice, and oats are being traded for buckwheat and quinoa. I am still eating fewer white, red , and yukon gold potaoes. Instead sweet potatoes, which drop my bg, are on the menu.
But your body may react to different foods.
Echoing Alan and Nick about protein. It realy seems to help my # both fasting and other times. For the past 6 months or slightly longer I've been 75-95 for fasting and 90-110 two hrs after eating. (Unless I'm testing a carby food or couldn't resist The Cake Lady's ever present cake.)
Best hint I have recieved is test, test, test. Test before you eat a certain food. Then test every 15 minutes after you finish eating for about 2 to 3 hours. The three hours is because some foods are sneaky and may take that long to get you. Fiber and fat content can make the food metabolize slower for me.

jayabee52 2012-11-14 03:31:21 -0600 Report

Graylin, I read it a long time ago so the details are fuzzy in my mind If memory serves I believe it was a study on T1s,

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2012-11-14 03:45:13 -0600 Report

Thanks, James. I have seen new guidelines that give higher BG ranges from elderly PWD than younger PWD. I think the reasoning is because of other health issues it might cause more stress overall. Oh, and also since Diabetes is a progressive problem.

Nick1962 2012-11-14 10:06:50 -0600 Report

See now you've got me confused Garylin. My PCP would rather see older PWD's with an A1c below 6 (rather than 7) for just those same issues.

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2012-11-14 15:52:20 -0600 Report

I'll check. Perhaps my dyslexia has it reversed. Or perhaps it's just another example of medical WTHK (who the heck knows).

Nick1962 2012-11-14 16:38:22 -0600 Report

No, it's not your dislexia, there is documentation supporting that. I got curious and did some looking. There were two studies about 4 years ago that completely contradicted each other on this topic I'm finding. The ACCORD study and the ADVANCE study. The ACCORD study claimed that an A1c below 7 took drastic measures to achieve, which for many of us would certainly be true. The ADVANCE study claimed that you can, with tight control get all the way down below 5and stay there without risk of hypos if you have good control and have good pancreatic function.
Maybe it's just a matter of which camp your doctor falls into.

jigsaw 2012-11-14 18:47:29 -0600 Report

I'm just sitting back and taking it all in ! I admit however, that I also have a strong opinion based on read material and discussions with each and every one of my doctors. So I'll see if my opinion gets altered here at all !
Actually, when you get right down to it, it's all a conglomerate of guess work ! Who can say for sure ???

Nick1962 2012-11-14 19:12:20 -0600 Report

I had a suspicion you'd show up here jigsaw. After I read the abstracts of the two studies, i coud clearly see the merits of both cases, and I will say my opinions have been bent a little as well. The methodolgy of the first ACCORD test clearly showed that to bring patients down to points below 7 were drastic cuts, and in many elderly patients 50 or older it did mean really depriving nutrition to some degree, for which they also bashed low GI diets. The second ADVANCE study also looked at why some physicians were calling anything over 6 pre-diabetic. Seems like we're screwed either way.
I'll admit that when I hit 4.9 it was probably on the low side, especially if I were prone to hypo episodes, but there are non-diabetics (and a lot of vegans) who live quite well at that level. Because I respect your opinion and the education you've got, i did up things a bit and hit 5.2 last round. Still well below what camp my PCP is in, and it still gives me a little wiggle room to cheat (because let's face it, I ain't no vegan nor will I stop eating pizza). Right now I stay right within the recommended 70-130 BG range, usually on the lower end (which is how i get a 5.2). I wont be too concerned if i hit 6, but as i age if i find i need to be in the 7 range, it means I'll be picking up weight again, which is not healthy for me. For lucky folks like you at near ideal weight, 7 or 8 may not be an issue. Who can say for sure? No one i think.

jigsaw 2012-11-15 06:11:56 -0600 Report

Well, sounds like your becoming a bit more liberal ! Actually, I think moderation is a safe bet. With all these studies and opinions going in all directions, it probably makes sense to focus on the average overall professional opinions. I suspect that it may be best to avoid the extremes, especially when it comes to a1c !

Let's face facts, you, me, and the majority of members here have diabetes. If we eat the same healthy foods as someone who does't have diabetes, our bodies respond differently. This commonly evident in the results of our a1c. There are three common ways to get our a1c where we want it. Healthy food plans, exercise, and or medication. There is a delicate balance required here, and to much or not enough of any of these three ingredients can do as much harm as the diabetes !

In a nutshell, I do not try to accomplish the same #s as a non-diiabetic
because I am not. I believe it is necessary to adjust my food requirements, exercise, and meds to accomplish my numbers, that are adjusted and offset by the fact that I have diabetes.

Nick1962 2012-11-15 10:45:19 -0600 Report

I’m in 100% agreement (except about being liberal maybe). It’s part of my nature to take on problems to the extreme. If I’m going to tackle it, I’m doing it well. Once I know things are under control, I back off. Beating diabetes into submission was no different. I’m at a good spot now, so I can sit back and monitor things without the added stress of having to figure out how to keep my numbers in line. My diabetes is not the main focal point of my life any more.
You are right, we share diabetes, and for each of us it’s a different priority and treatment, which changes constantly. I have 30+ years of obesity I have to try to stave off the damage of, cholesterol, trigs, and blood pressure to keep in line, and more recently an inflammatory issue which is also going to dictate some of my diet. Those issues are really the driving force behind my A1c, not my diabetes, it’s just another part of the overall puzzle.

jigsaw 2012-11-15 11:39:06 -0600 Report

Ok, I apologize for the "liberal" portion of my comment. I did think it had a bit of humor though ! (-;

Nick1962 2012-11-15 11:50:12 -0600 Report

No need for apologies, I do lean liberal at times.

Oh, and sorry Gingee, we didn't mean to hijack your post with our philosophizing. We get this way sometimes.

Nick1962 2012-11-13 18:53:33 -0600 Report

I'll go along with everyone else and say what's wrong with that. But, I'm an anal-retentive ex-control freak and I know how that went with me. It didn't.
I don't know how long since you were diagnosed, but it's taken me about 4 years to get my morning numbers in the 80's. Some long lasting protein before beg - a hard boiled egg, some beef or turkey jerky (if you can stomach it overnight), or like Alan below said, almonds/nuts work great too.
Daily management also goes a long way too.

Lizardfan 2012-11-16 08:17:00 -0600 Report

My fastings are usually in the 80-90 range as well. It begins with my pre dinner reading. I *eat* to my numbers, that way my 9pm testing is right on target. I eat a small protein and carb snack and that is the secret for me. If I am out of line, I re check those factors and nip those numbers right in the bud. A couple of days out of my range and it becomes a trend and I zap that sucker right back into the range I want. Sounds complicated but it really isn't. I don't deny myself good food either, no restrictions, just common sense.

Nick1962 2012-11-16 10:01:38 -0600 Report

Exactly what I do. I’ve been doing it so long now I really don’t even need to test (but I still do) unless I have a cold, something out of my routine is going on, or if we’re trying new foods.
It really does become second nature doesn’t it?
I don’t do diet or modified foods either – just doesn’t cut the craving.

granniesophie 2012-11-13 16:29:11 -0600 Report

What's wrong with that? That's where mine are, and my doctor said they were too low! Alot of folks on here would love to be that low with fasting BG! Whatever you are doing, keep up the good work :)

jayabee52 2012-11-13 16:19:12 -0600 Report

Howdy Gingee

I am curious as to what is wrong with 105 to 120 mg/dl ? Many would like to have Glood Glusose (BG) levels that good! Please send some of your hints our way. I am sure many would like to hear what you have done to achieve that.


jigsaw 2012-11-14 19:01:08 -0600 Report

Personally, I think that's fine, and have no issue with numbers like that ! During the last 18 years, there are times when my morning #s were lower then 105, and other times when they were a bit higher then 120 ! Worrying about #s that good is the thing that can be harmful, due to stress!!! I can honestly say, I've done quite well so far, and there were times when my numbers were definitely worse then mentioned.

alanbossman 2012-11-13 16:12:06 -0600 Report

Try eating a handful of almonds before bed

Gingee4k 2012-11-14 09:44:28 -0600 Report

Alan, I have tried that does nothing.. If I eat or if I don't eat its still the same. My AC1 is creeping up 6.8 from a 6.2 in the last 8 months. I bascially cut out a lot of sweets. (thou I do cheat with the occasional cookie or cake now and then) Bedtime is peanut butter and crackers, A handful of Almonds or walnuts, Cheese sometime too. I find alot of times I'm forceing myself to eat a snack since I'm not very hungry.

Nick1962 2012-11-14 10:17:33 -0600 Report

If I may…ditch the crackers for celery sticks at night with your peanut butter. Crackers are carbs your body uses too fast, and will take some of the protein benefits of the peanut butter with them. If you haven't already, cut down on meal sizes (and snack in between) so you are more hungry before bed or throughout the day. Smaller meals = smaller spikes and better management. It takes a while but I rarely go outside the 80-130 range anymore