Gastric sleeve

luked
By luked Latest Reply 2015-10-21 22:51:27 -0500
Started 2012-08-30 14:22:40 -0500

Hello all. I am newly diagnosed diabetic. Type 2 I was told by friend that gastric sleeve helps to cure diabetes. Does anyone know this to be true.

Low carb/high protein
Insulin 4xs a day
Type 2 diabetes

Tags: weight loss

24 replies

ptss
ptss 2015-10-21 22:51:27 -0500 Report

I had been on Metformin for 11 years and it has started to affect my liver and kidneys. The Doctors just keep adding medications for "protection". Finally I said no more meds and went to see two different endocrinologists who both recommended Metabolic ( Gastric Sleeve) surgery. They showed me studies and statistics that were amazing. I am 5'2" and weighed 190 lbs. I have yo yo dieted all my life and have bad habits but I try to eat healthy. The nutritionist and behavior counseling are a must but this tool ( Gastric Sleeve) is the best decision I have ever made. I am off all medications and feeling so much healthier. Yes I have to eat different, but I couldn't have done it without the surgery . I tried many times. If you can lose weight, exercise and eat healthy good for you, but if you struggle as I did for years ( I am 54) then Metabolic Surgery ( Gastric Sleeve) may be the best decision of your life. I had my surgery 9/21/15 and my sugars are in control with no meds. I am not hungry all the time, I eat healthy but very little. I exercise , I have energy and I am losing weight. Best decision of my life!

luked
luked 2012-08-30 20:54:56 -0500 Report

I've heard so much about the gastric sleeve that I know individuals who have actually done surgery. I won't be doing surgery I'm quite happy with diet and exercise

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-08-30 20:59:40 -0500 Report

I have not heard of the sleeve. I have heard of the lap band and bypass, but not this. What is it that makes it work?

As Nick and Joyce have said, it is not a cure, but a control. Not to take away from those who have achieved better control because of these surgeries, it still is not a license to eat whatever you want with abandon.

Here are some discussion on other procedures, maybe someone mentions the sleeve in there. http://www.diabeticconnect.com/discussions?query=gastric&by=newest

mysticangel49
mysticangel49 2013-01-28 22:51:41 -0600 Report

The sleeve is between the full bypass and the lap band, you are left a stomach the size of a banana. You can look up all 3 types of weight loss surgery on the internet just by typing in weight loss surgery.
Hope this helps.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-08-30 23:03:48 -0500 Report

Gabby I heard about it one night channel surfing. It is suppose to be like the lap band only safer because the lap band slips. I was talking to a woman in the doctors office who said her daughter had the lap band surgery and lost weight and the band slipped off and she had to have surgery to remove it. I was under the impression that these surgeries were for people grossly over weight.

I think you are still limited on the amount of food you can eat at a time. Seems to me if that is the case your body wouldn't get nutrients it needs. I prefer to keep to diet and exercise.

judy makowski
judy makowski 2012-09-03 20:41:22 -0500 Report

You are right on. It iiis not covered by a lot of insurances at this point but they think it will soon. Even Medicare.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2013-01-29 10:04:58 -0600 Report

Here is also another thing you have to ask your insurance company. Will they cover post surgeries for repairs or reversals? I had a friend who had a gastric bypass done and she looks great. But something went wrong with it 5 years after and she basically lost her home to pay the doctors because her insurance that covered the initial surgery would not cover the repair.

So buyer beware!

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-09-03 20:59:24 -0500 Report

I think this would be a mistake because this will open the door for doctors to make even more money off people who want to lose 50lbs to get this surgery. I think it should be covered if the person is grossly or morbidly over weight.

CJ55
CJ55 2012-08-30 23:25:27 -0500 Report

I do not know about the sleeve.. never heard of it. However, I do know several people who had the bypass. All 3 of them gained back all of their weight. From what I was told from my dr about the band, you can adjust it yourself to either loosen it up or tighten it up. Depends on how much you eat. Also I was told that it can slip off and surgery is needed again to fix it. My endo asked me last week if I wanted to have gastric bypass or the band and I told her no. I have heard too many horror stories. My hairdresser in VA 3 years ago had gastric bypass done and she was only 40 pounds overweight. I was surprised the doctors performed that surgery on her. I think I will stick to the old fashion way of dieting and exercising. It may be slow but I think it is far less risky than surgery.

mysticangel49
mysticangel49 2013-01-28 22:54:12 -0600 Report

At the seminar I attended I was told you have to have a BMI of 35 or more to have weight loss surgery.

BMI = Body mass index

judy makowski
judy makowski 2012-09-03 20:45:21 -0500 Report

I had gastric bypass in Feb of this year and Had no problem with the surgery . There really was no pain associated with it. It was difficult to follow the drinking and eating plan . It's a whole new way. Food has to be chewed 30 times, small amounts, no liquid with meals or for 30 min before and after. It works. But it didn't take care of my diabetes. I'm still on insulin. I must admit I do feel better physically and able to do more. For me it is working but I will havae to eat this way for the rest of my life if I am going to stay successful at my weight loss. The surgery is the easy part.

Ladida 35
Ladida 35 2012-09-03 21:02:29 -0500 Report

Perhaps if you're insulin dependent it is harder to reverse that kind of diabetes. I am so sorry to hear that. I know bypass is not an easy solution. Either way a person must change their ways. To go through surgery that I know people have died from and the gain the weight back is tough. Judy I really wish you the best. How much weight have you lost?

Wound Lady
Wound Lady 2012-10-15 16:17:17 -0500 Report

I have ben caring for patients for 21 years and find the peop;e who have had the bypass & lap band have a harder time later in life. I know that it should be the person to make the decsion. Have nurse friends that have had this done also. It really depends on how you follow the doctors orders.

judy makowski
judy makowski 2012-09-03 21:04:33 -0500 Report

So far 60 lbs. I am at 162 now and feel good for the first in years. But it isn't for everyone and I had to make my mind up that this is the way it is going to be. Some people call it grazing.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-09-03 20:57:54 -0500 Report

I am glad it is working for you. This is not for me. I cannot sit and count 30 chews. That would get old for me after the first meal. I can't stay focused that long. I think people make the mistake of assuming this is a cure for diabetes. I think everyone has the potential for becoming diabetics based on how they eat. I think the medical industry has led people to believe that obesity can be a cause to become diabetic as well as high blood pressure. I have taken a lot of thin people to the hospital in the back of an ambulance because of high blood pressure and diabetic problems. I still need to lose more weight but I am doing it without drugs or surgery. The thing is I am happy the way I am. I have no intention of letting being over weight ruin my life. Good luck to you and stay healthy.

judy makowski
judy makowski 2012-09-03 21:02:40 -0500 Report

That's why I said it was important for everyone to understand it is and must be individual decision. I have hypertension, heart disease and diabetes as well as a few other things so for me it help in a lot of areas but it didn't "cure "my diabetes. I still take insulin everyday. Just not as much. As for chewing 30 times that got old before to long but you learn hoow soft you food must be to be able to tolerate it.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-09-03 21:14:40 -0500 Report

I imagine it did get old for you fast. As an active person, there are times I eat at the kitchen sink if I am running late and have to eat before leaving the house. Prime example at the police station for open house, our community relations sgt told me we had to walk a block and climb 4 flights of stairs in Police Headquarters to the roof to visit one of our Police Helicopters. The man insisted I eat before going and we were leaving then. I grabbed a burger and had to eat it before I got up to the helicopter. I am glad I did because three of us had to get back down to meet officers we were riding with. I would not have time to worry about how soft the food was for my stomach. This would only work for me during the winter when I don't have a lot of activities to attend. I am just glad it is working well enough that you have been able to reduce the amount of insulin you use. That has to be a blessing.

judy makowski
judy makowski 2012-09-04 04:07:16 -0500 Report

I have lots of options Joyce. Beans, yogurt, soup, eggs, all kinds of things. It isn't that bad. I am hoping when they do the endoscopy I'll find out why I'm having the problem though.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-08-31 11:16:20 -0500 Report

CJ I asked my doctor about it and he said not on his watch. He didn't believe in it. This was when I was first diagnosed and was slightly out of my mind. I have regained my senses and would never have any kind of surgery for weight loss. I worked with a woman who had Gastric Bypass surgery and managed to keep the weight off but she only eats healthy foods, yet another woman I use to chat with on line had it, the doctors messed it up and now she has to take iron pills for the rest of her life. I have heard more horror stories than success stories with Gastric Bypass and the band.

I am not one for weight loss surgeries, diet pills or weight loss supplements. I will not pay Jenny Craig with her Cusiine is prepared foods with its preservatives. That cannot be good for you. I was once a member of Weight Watchers. I got sick of them sitting around talking about what they could or could not eat and gaining and losing weight. I prefer to buy fresh food, cook it and like you, lose weight the old fashioned way. Hard work and perseverance pays off in the end.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-08-30 20:30:58 -0500 Report

Hi Welcome to DC. I have heard of the Gastric Sleeve but never in the sense that it cures diabetes. I do agree with Nick in that doing this would cause you to not get the nutrients you need and information about the sleeve is false. As a T2, I have excellent control with diet exercise and oral medication. I take Metformn once a day.

I do have friends who are T2 who are not on insulin or oral medications because they have gotten there diabetes in control so well their doctors took them off. They control theirs with diet and exercise. That is my goal.

Before you do anything, please check with your doctor. Speak to a dietitian and an endocrinologist. Learn about meal plans and what foods you should or should not eat. When I was newly diagnosed I went to Diabetic Health Fairs and got tons of free information and a free meter. I live in a major city and our City Council President is having a Senior Symposium and diabetes is the topic so I am attending to see what new information is out there. Good luck to you.

judy makowski
judy makowski 2012-09-03 20:52:20 -0500 Report

I do have to take 4 bariatric vitamins a day because of the surgery I will be malnutritioned for the rest of my life. They stress protein first, then veg, then carbs and fruit. It is a healthy diet. The problem comes in with the amounts I mean my pouch is about the size of an egg and it only takes about 1/2 cup of food. so sometimes I feel like I have to eat all the time. When I can't get all of the protein in I have to drink a whey shake or drink the Instapure. I am having difficulty eating meat and will have to have an endoscopy to make sure all is working correctly. This was not an easy decision for me to make but I gained so much wgt when I was put on insulin and was not able to lose it no matter what I did. My internest suggested the surgery and I met all of stipulations. There are a lot of them and lots of drs to see so it isn't a snap decision. For me it was right but I don't believe iet is the right decision for everyone.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-08-30 15:05:19 -0500 Report

Hey welcome to the group! Most here will say there is no cure for diabetes, so what you were told is basically false. However, some folks can get it so under control that they wouldn't be diagnosed as diabetic by a different doctor. Cured vs controlled, I won't get into that debate here.
A gastric band will limit what food gets in you, so it may go a long way at gaining control, but you may be missing out on a lot of needed nutrition also.
I also do low carb and it works, but just some advice, don't go too low on the carbs or too high on the protein. It can have negative effects as well and the long term effects haven't been tested.

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