Everyone deserves adequate diabetic care

mystikfairy61
By mystikfairy61 Latest Reply 2012-08-30 17:20:57 -0500
Started 2012-08-27 22:04:37 -0500

I got an email regarding a petition from Diabetic Daily Voices that needs signatures to help provide adequate diabetic care for inmates. They are doing the time for what they did, so why punish them further with inadequate care for a disease they have. Take a look at it, from DiaTribe, and if you are so inclined, sign the petition. Most people would treat a dog better than humans in these situations are treated. We are all humans and deserve health care.

http://www.change.org/petitions/provide-peopl...


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mystikfairy61
mystikfairy61 2012-08-29 01:05:05 -0500 Report

I didn't mean to start a controversial subject here. I do agree that people who are incarcerated should have to work off the cost of their care, but at this point it seems that it isn't even available to them in such a way as to prevent worsening of their condition. As far as no insurance I am in that situation at this time as well, and have to go to a free clinic. I have been in the homeless situation and believe me it isn't a picnic. Liiving day to day was a struggle and I don't want to think about what it would have been like if I had diabetes at the time. That's just my thoughts on the subject. Don't want anyone to feel bad for what I went thru, it made me a stronger person for having gone thru it.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-08-28 13:24:34 -0500 Report

Someone emailed me that petition and I won't sign it. People who have committed no crimes and are not in prison should have better than adequate medical care for all medical problems and they don't. I understand it isn't his fault he is in prison and should get care. However, for those who choose to commit crimes and land in prison should suffer the consequences. They can best believe that if they were in a prison in under developed countries they would get no medical care at all.

Prisoners get three hots and a cot, free education, free gym access, free legal advice all of which I have to pay for. So if you decide to go out and rob a bank, beat, rape and harm or kill an elderly woman for a few dollars, kill a person just because you have the upper hand with a gun and get thrown into prison then suffer the consequences. My compassion will never be for a prisoner. There are too many good people out on the streets trying to make a decent and respectable living who can't make ends meet, children going to bed cold and hungry, people living under bridges who need my help and compassion.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-08-28 11:31:13 -0500 Report

I had posted this man's story in another discussion. It is good to see that his family is doing something to right the situation. http://www.diabeticconnect.com/discussions/16195-behind-bars-with-diabetes

While I do believe that our healthcare is our own responsibility and the government should not be part of that, I still believe that in this kind of situation, that care should be provided and the inmate should pay for it out of his work income in the prison. But it should be provided there, as he has no choice being in there.

It is a touchy thing to be sure, and I think the difference of our country and many around the world is compassion. When we loose that, we will become like so many others in our world that have a more harsh view of things.

annesmith
annesmith 2012-08-28 01:07:10 -0500 Report

Yes…I agree with you so very much. They are already serving their time, and they deserve full diabetic care. We all make mistakes in life, and anybody, even the most " religious" person can make a grave mistake and end up in prison. I have always strongly believed in forgiveness, and of course full diabetic care for all in prison. Anne

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-08-28 13:41:35 -0500 Report

Anne to a point I agree with you. People should forgive if they feel the need to do so. A grave mistake is playing with a gun and it goes off and kills or harms someone. Three years ago this month I and two of my neighbors were outside talking. We were the only people out in front of our homes. We were in the house less than a minute when shots rang out. The dog and I ran to the middle of the house and huddled on the steps leading up stairs. I stopped counting bullets at 10. Then I hear someone say he didn't have to do that. When I got upstairs and looked out the window there was a young guy bleeding in front of my house a few feet from where I was just standing. According to a witness the guy with the gun walked up to the guy and spoke to him and asked about his day then shot him point blank 16 times. The victim died 5 mins after entering the hospital.

The guy with the gun made the choice to kill someone that day. It was by no means a grave mistake it was a planned execution. The shooter was killed in December and still had the gun used to kill the kid in August. This was the first shooting on my street in over 40 years.

We all make mistakes and we all make choices that are both good and bad. When you make the choice to commit a crime against another human being then you pay the price and consequences of being locked away in prison. I am not going to feel sorry for you nor am I going to care whether or not you get medical care. Believe me I did not care when two of my cousins who were brothers both died in prison. One from AIDs and the other from cancer I think. The state would not let them out so their mother could care for them. The choices they made one to rape and kill and the other to kill and expect me to give you compassion because the state gave you minimum health care. Had you made the right choice to obey the law you would have gotten better care outside of prison.

annesmith
annesmith 2012-08-29 01:57:26 -0500 Report

Yes, I see what you are saying. I failed to stop and think about who is paying for it..us. I leaned on the pure forgiveness side too much. Yep, you are right..the guy with the gun made a choice, a planned choice, to kill someone that day…no excuse for it at all. I changed my mind…I am with you on this now…thank you…sincerely, Anne

red flower lady
red flower lady 2012-08-28 19:55:20 -0500 Report

Wait, didn't you just write that there are people who are not in prison who are living under bridges etc, who don't have healthcare? You just said if prisoners made the right choice they would have better care outside. I'll bet the same people you are saving your compassion for wiill break the law at some point, or have already done so due to their situation. So I guess they made the wrong choices to be where they are and now and where some of them will end up.

I don't think we should be responsible for their healthcare, but they should have to work it off while in prison if they can't afford to pay for it, but I don't want to pay for healthcare for the unemployed either and feel they also should work it off. But I do feel that all should have good healthcare regardless of the situation:)

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-08-28 20:49:31 -0500 Report

I said, My compassion will never be for a prisoner. There are too many good people out on the streets trying to make a decent and respectable living who can't make ends meet, children going to bed cold and hungry, people living under bridges who need my help and compassion.

Unfortunately for me I forgot a period. It should read like this "My compassion will never be for a prisoner. There are too many good people out on the streets trying to make a decent and respectable living who can't make ends meet. There are children going to bed cold and hungry, people living under bridges who need my help and compassion. I didn't say they didn't have healthcare. The homeless here can get health care that includes mental and dental health.

There are several Criminalogical Theorist with theories that base much of what is written about Crime and Criminals today. One such theory is that everyone has the potential to commit crimes while another says some people are born criminals. I am positive that many of the people out in society today have committed a crime and has served his or her time. There are some who have committed horrible crimes and gotten away with it. However, if you commit a crime and are given prison sentence, I don't care what happens to you once you are behind bars. I also should not have to pay for your care.

Unless a person is found to be mentally incompetent, at the time of the crime then he/she could not make a clear, concise decision to commit a crime. However, people make choices to commit a crime, some do not out of fear of punishment while others aren't worried about being caught or punished until the cops are closing in on them.

So my compassion goes to the 80 year old couple on a fixed income who are making choices to pay a bill, buy food or medication. To the child who sleeps in the back of a car because he has no house with a bed. To the homeless teen who left home because he or she was abused to the point that running was the only way to get out of the situation. To the man and wife who lost jobs and then their home. Now if they committed a crime, served their time and are doing what they should be doing then yes I will give them compassion. If you killed a child, an innocent person because you wanted their iPhone and money then I don't care if you don't receive medical care for what ails you in prison.

red flower lady
red flower lady 2012-08-30 17:20:57 -0500 Report

I guess I read it wrong, to me I felt like it was saying " you made a choice to do wrong and ended up in prison, oh well, you don't deserve healthcare." So, my reply was that all the situations you put down for your "compassion," these people must have made their choices which is why they are in the situation you describe to begin with, and some will likely break the law if they haven't already done so, just to continue to get by. So then these same people you have compassion for, once in prison shouldn't have healthcare.

Once in prison, they are serving their debt to society( yes, I know some can never repay, but according to the law, they did) and hopefully are released a changed person for the better. If good healthcare isn't given, then they will come out not for the better, mind and body, and we will ultimately pay in some way.

It is so sad the the world has come to where people are struggling so hard and with little options and it doesn't look like it's going to get better any time soon.

annesmith
annesmith 2012-08-28 01:07:10 -0500 Report

Yes…I agree with you so very much. They are already serving their time, and they deserve full diabetic care. We all make mistakes in life, and anybody, even the most " religious" person can make a grave mistake and end up in prison. I have always strongly believed in forgiveness, and of course full diabetic care for all in prison. Anne