Diabetic supplies or sale or trade

tiffinei
By tiffinei Latest Reply 2009-11-03 08:43:02 -0600
Started 2008-11-21 18:17:46 -0600

Hi guys. I am new on here but Im happy I found you guys. LOL. Ok well anyways…I want to sell some infusion sets that I have un-opened. I ordered them from Minimed for my paradigm 712NA when I had insurance and when I got them they were the wrong ones and Minimed would not accept them back. So now I have 2 boxes of MMT-103 Reservoirs, 1 box of SOF-SET ultimate MMT-315 Infusion Set, and 1 box of Sof-Set Micro MMT-321 Infusion set. None of them have been used or open. I would like to sell them so that I can use the money for some infusion sets for my pump. Like I said they would not allow refunds because my insurance company at the time paid for them so now Im kinda stuck with them. I pay out of pocket for all my supplies so some extra cash would be great for some supplies of my own.


45 replies

Vicrgreen
Vicrgreen 2009-09-27 18:53:58 -0500 Report

About Ebay. I tried to list a couple of boxes of latex gloves. They wanted documentation that I was a legal seller of medical supplies. I don't think just anyone can list their unused test strips. I never did get to list the gloves. Mayhap things have changed in the last couple of years since my attempt but I doubt it. I would expect that they have gotten more strict.

Vic

DJsMama
DJsMama 2009-11-03 08:43:02 -0600 Report

eBay is very strict on who is allowed to sell what. Believe me, they don't let just anyone list medical supplies. I don't have insurance and am trying to find supplies for three people, what exactly am I supposed to do??

Amy Tenderich
Amy Tenderich 2008-11-30 15:15:43 -0600 Report

OK, true confessions time: I have purchased extra test strips off eBay before when I really needed them. And they were FINE. I'm just sayin'...

LadyDi - 26259Miller
LadyDi - 26259Miller 2008-11-30 15:44:16 -0600 Report

Since I have Medicare Part B, I get my test strips free (thank the Lord!). That was not always the case, however. Oddly enough it never occurred to me to look on eBay for test strips. If I needed them and had no insurance, etc., I would have no qualms about buying them there. Discussing your needs and inability to obtain with your doctor and your pharmacist should help you out, as well as a call to the company that makes your monitor.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2008-11-30 18:33:19 -0600 Report

I have purchased several times form Ebay, and to date, I have not had one bad experience. You just have to make sure of the expiration dates. I get my strips, lancets and control fluid on line and only once was one box in bad shape, but nothing was damaged. As long as what you are buying is sealed and complete, it is the same as getting it from the pharmacy. It is sad that we are forced into decisions like this, but that is just the way it is.

2catty
2catty 2008-11-30 18:51:35 -0600 Report

Gabby I completely agree with you. Fortunately my insurance pays for mine. But before we can judge people that has to find any means possible, they need to walk in their shoes. Plus, some people that sells those products on ebay paid out of pocket. As a matter of fact my sister paid out of pocket for hers changed meters and sold her testing stuff that has not been opened on ebay.

Avera
Avera 2008-12-03 22:58:34 -0600 Report

Just wanted you to know that EVERY midsize city or town has some type of organization that accepts donations of diabetic supplies that people donate because they no longer use. They even accept medicines that poeple might have tried and might have been allergic to. Pleople give them to the organization for free and they in turn give them to non-insured people who are in need.

They never charge because they are given the meds and supplies for free. The meds are only given to the person in need if their free clinic doctor writes a prescription for it. Nobody breaks the law, so all turns out well.

Also, if you are in need, you can write the company that makes your meds or diabetic supplies and they will sometimes let you get them for free if you need them.

If you don't want to do that, you can email a company and ask for free samples. They love to send test strips.

A suggestion on how to get rid of that device you have is to take it to a charity clinic and ask if you can trade it for something. They sometimes even like to do that.

Just a thought…

2catty
2catty 2008-12-04 10:18:35 -0600 Report

Avera, that is great advice. I hope those out there who is need sees this and takes your advice and is able to find a source. I myself have had the testing strip company send test strips to me. They was faulty and they replaced them. I also have them send me control solution.

2008-11-30 14:36:55 -0600 Report

I do agree that you can get into some serious trouble by reselling or giving away medical supplies or medicines to someone other than to whom they are prescribed. I personally would not buy these products, especially on E-Bay. However, that is me. You should do what you feel is approriate for you. This has nothing do to you with you personally. I would be very leery about buying this type of stuff even if were coming from someone I knew very well.

Anonymous
Anonymous 2008-11-24 09:22:30 -0600 Report

I am a straight shooter too. I am an educated person also. But the key word here is person. You can put it to people the way it is but in a way that makes them feel like you are kind and concerned, instead of impersonal and cold. People we are all here for the same reasons. Support, a place to belong and relate to, friendship and kindness. I have no problem with anyone here, let's play nice.

highlandcitygirl
highlandcitygirl 2008-11-23 11:23:29 -0600 Report

it is so sad when the uninsured are put in such a place of compromise. i would hope that justice would turn a blind eye to people who are ill and are trying their best to survive. but i have found out that the so-called justice system is often blind to the needy and blind to the greediness of fat cats in control! and yes i have been severally wounded by the justice system who blindly follow there(laws) and stay ignorant to true justice!

tiffinei
tiffinei 2008-11-24 00:10:19 -0600 Report

thank you so much for your voice of reason. I cannot afford the price of supplies as much as I work and try. I am a fulltime student about to go to law school, I take care of and pay for my parents bills, as my own. Thank god I have a wonderful boyfriend to help me out but as me, he can only go so far. I am trying now to get health insurance but everyone denies me because of my disease so Its very hard. Im crying right now looking at the words on the screen because It is so hard to just get by. I am trying my hardest and its almost like my hardest is not good enough. I work 40 plus hours a week and I dont spend on anything that I need. I cut coupons, save my money, and try my hardest to make the most conscience disession but it is so hard. I can only do so much.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2008-11-24 08:53:23 -0600 Report

Tiffinei,
You and I are so much alike in this. It hurts the esteem sometimes. I always had a great job and was able to do okay. The last few years have eaten away at what I had saved and now it is so paycheck to paycheck...it is frightening. I am the bread winner for the family, and my bread loaf keeps getting smaller and smaller. I work from home, so hours are harder to track, but I am almost always doing something...what is a weekend, I have not a clue. It is nutty. I totally feel for you and understand your frustrations.

I still sometimes cry about it, too. Just the other day we got yet another letter from the mortgage company and it just tipped me over the edge. I cried a lot that night.

So for you, I say do what you must to keep your family afloat. That is why I do without so much too. Even if someone would give me insuarance, with diabetes, I can only imagine what a monthly premium would be. No one wants to touch us, even to help us prevent worse things from happening. It really is not right, and as diabetes grows, we will become the norm, not the few.

So hang in there girl...there are better times waiting for us. We are just being tested right now. Learning to live with less is not a totally bad thing. Your aspirations to practice law are great and maybe this time is part of what will make you the best lawyer! Life lessons are the best teachers, even in hard times. You will make it, and if you need to talk, just pop me an email. We can vent toghter and then devise a plan to overcome it all!!

tiffinei
tiffinei 2008-11-24 09:09:53 -0600 Report

thank you so much "gabby"! I am glad that at least someone out there understands and knows what I am going through. Its hard sometimes. SO hard! But I do hold out hope that something is going to change. But as for now, I am doing my absolute best that I possibly can. I work as a waitress and bartender now and although the money is great its not what I want. I work very long shifts( sometimes 10 am to 2 am the next day) put up with not being able to control my diabtes because of it, my father is in and out of the hospital, my mom has C.O.P.D and shes sick all the time. It sometimes seems overwhelming. LOL. And on top of all that, my boyfriend who is my lifeline, was injured in Afghanistan last year while protecting our country and stepped on an IED and now suffers for bipolar, PTSD, facial paralysis, and so much more. I sometimes wonder why my life is so hard and then I look at my family, the friends that I have and the wonderful things in my life and it all is ok. I dont sulk for too long…I catch myself. LOL. So thank you so much for everyone for their support. I know it wont be too long for me or you or anyone else. LOL.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2008-11-24 09:36:28 -0600 Report

Your caregiver responsiblities make mine look like a walk in the park!

You are in this palce because you are strong enough to deal with it. I ask myself sometimes if I should have stayed single and not gotten into a family of disabilities, but I was meant to be here. I would not trade it, even in the hard times, though there are moments when I would like to. I always know we will make it somehow. Right now I have to do a little more convincing than I care for, but that is just the fact of it.

The relationship you share with your boyfriend is one that you will cherrish and I know for a fact that he does already. To have so much happen and still have you at his side is an incredible testament to your character. I would be proud to call you my friend.

Don't be afraid to accept help from your friends either. I used to have a really hard time with that. I was always the caregiver...always have been, since I can remember. Now, the tables have turned a little and I am learning that it is okay to accept help. Why should I deny my friends the satisfaction of being the helper and not the helped...it is a good feeling after all.

You are a trooper. I would dare the strongest of people to walk a day in your shoes.

Anonymous
Anonymous 2008-11-22 20:39:24 -0600 Report

Hi I am new to this website, and boy do I need your help!!! I am a type 2 diabetic, diagnoised two years ago. One year ago I lost my medical insurance. Was testing my glucose 3 times a day. But now that I don't have test strips, was wondering if anyone had any sugesstions as to any programs that maybe available to help? Thanks

vgarrison
vgarrison 2008-11-22 21:05:22 -0600 Report

If you go online and look for perscription help websites, there are actually quite a few, but only if you qualify financially. Good Luck!!

Vicki

tiffinei
tiffinei 2008-11-23 01:48:58 -0600 Report

Hi. I was reading the replys and thank you for the people that supported me. LOL. I do know that it is not right to do sell these things online but I have no other way. So I am doing it. LOL. I guess you can say that Im a risk taker. And I dont have health insurance anymore so thats that…LOL…but thanks for the concern.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2008-11-23 06:59:13 -0600 Report

It is hard times to be sure. I am greatful for those who do sell online, because I need it that way. It is just as much a risk to purchase it as well, but I too am stuck between a rock and a hard place. Like Amy said, just keep it low. If you read Sparkysmom's post here, you will see that there are consequences.

KDroberts is our voice of reason many times and he just shoots it straight. He is just letting you know that yes, there is a risk it selling your items. Though we might not like what he says, what he says is true and so we have to look at ourselves to see weigh right and wrong, need and risk. He is one of our most knowledgeable members and his intent is just to educate, not to hurt anyone. I always listen very carefully to things he shares. He is amazing.

Anonymous
Anonymous 2008-11-23 08:21:44 -0600 Report

Yes but he comes across very demeaning and critical. He may be the voice of reason but if there was something wrong with it why are so many people buying stuff on Ebay. Not everyone has insurance these days and you have to do what you can to survive.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2008-11-23 10:30:26 -0600 Report

Sorry if I come over critical, I don't mean to and I generally don't sugar coat stuff because it's easier to get to the point rather than waffle.

As for many so many people doing it maybe it's not wrong to do. There were over 1.3 million violent crimes in the US last year. Far more than people selling supplies on ebay. I don't think anyone would use the rationale that because so many people are doing those things it maybe isn't so wrong. I'm not comparing the two in terms of similarities but in terms of them both breaking the rules.

I don't like the way people can't afford to do buy supplies, or drugs, or health insurance or go to the doctor but breaking the law is not the way round it. I try to help legally when I can but there is not a whole lot a small group of people can do to help a very large group of people.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2008-11-23 14:58:24 -0600 Report

The day will come when the insurance companies and ebay will catch on and stop it because it is not the right thing to do. For now, because no one has sued ebay or they know they still get their $$, it will continue.

Likewise, until people are in this kind of situation, they don't understand what it means to be forced to make these kinds of choices. I am generally a law abiding citizen...But if I were a type 1 diabetic right now, I would be dead because I cannot afford anything, much less what I see that some of you have to pay for your meds. I would just give up if I was not able to find a way around it.

vgarrison
vgarrison 2008-11-23 17:03:49 -0600 Report

Gabby,

I thank my lucky stars everyday that you are not a Type 1, cuz I'd miss the heck outta ya!!!!! The old sayin goes, this too shall pass…and hopefully the financial issues will pass for you as well!! Just keep doing what you can, get your supplies anywhich way you can…as long as you do what you need to do, until you can afford the meds and supplies…thats all that counts!!!!

Vicki

Amy Tenderich
Amy Tenderich 2008-11-22 15:06:23 -0600 Report

Hey, I'd like to add that sniping at each other is not what this site is about.

The fact of the matter is that people do sell similar prescrip items on eBay, including glucose test strips and lancets. If your infusion sets are unopened, you can probably sell them there too. But it's probably best to not make a lot of noise about it.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2008-11-22 11:06:50 -0600 Report

You're on sticky grounds with the law. If they were prescribed for you then they cannot be given to somebody else due to prescription laws. If insurance paid for them but they weren't prescription then you would have to re-reimburse the insurance company the portion they paid before you can sell them otherwise you are committing insurance fraud.

It's up to you what you do but you can get into some serious trouble so you have to weigh all those up.

caspersmama
caspersmama 2008-11-22 12:00:11 -0600 Report

Well then there are a whole lot of people on Ebay commiting fraud because there is a whole section on diabetic supplies that I am sure have come from people's supplies that insurance has paid for. If you change meters and have test strips left over they are being sold, there are all kinds of things. I have even bought test strips on there myself. and I got the idea from people on this site. So we are all commiting fraud, is what you are saying?

kdroberts
kdroberts 2008-11-22 13:09:22 -0600 Report

If they were prescribed for somebody else. Yes. If insurance paid for all or part of them. Yes. Just because they are OTC doesn't mean they are exempt from the laws, it's the same as if you were selling or giving away medication. Once the prescription has been filled that product can only legally used by the person the prescription was written for. Once insurance pays for them they have to be used by the person the insurance is for. Changing meters doesn't make any difference either. It's the same legally as if you were to get a prescription for strips every month and just put them on ebay and sell them for triple what you pay.

If people pay full price for strips without a prescription, they are free to do with them what they like. Maybe they are on sale in the pharmacy, maybe the pharmacy is discontinuing them, all sorts of things. It's up to you if you don't check where things come from and the risk may be small. But you can get into a lot of trouble for it and one of the potential consequences is jail time.

caspersmama
caspersmama 2008-11-22 14:13:37 -0600 Report

Sounds like you are going to turn in alot of people for insurance fraud. Would you like my full name and address so you can do that? I do not think the original poster was trying to make a profit they just wanted to know if anyone could use it. I thought it was a nice gesture. As far as Ebay goes, I will continue to order from them because it sometimes is a good deal. 200 strips and lancets for 40 dollars. And for your information my insurance does not pay for this particlar test strip and I like the meter. So turn me in if you want. I can document that they do not pay for them. I have the orginal formulary list for this year.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2008-11-22 14:31:17 -0600 Report

I don't care what you do or what the original poster does. Just letting them know of the risks involved. If you're using a prescription that was not written for you there is nothing you can do if you get caught. The law is black and white, for profit or not for profit makes no difference. Selling something insurance paid for is theft and will almost certainly break several terms of your insurance plan, using something that was prescribed for somebody else is prescription abuse.

If you think the risk is worth it then keep on buying them, it makes absolutely no difference to me. If you want to keep trying to justify it then knock yourself out. For me it's not worth the risk of criminal charges and the possible cancellation of my health insurance and a civil suit against me.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2008-11-22 14:54:56 -0600 Report

It's not a question of being perfect, it's abiding the law. I may not agree with every law but I live within them. If you want to live outside the law, think you're above them or just think they don't apply to you then that's up to you but you have to understand the possible ramifications of doing that.

I just find it rather sad and pathetic that you feel the need to contradict every post I make and try to make it all about you.

sparkysmom
sparkysmom 2008-11-22 14:57:49 -0600 Report

He may be perfect, but on this he is right too. My brother got caught selling 2 CPAP masks on EBay that his insurance paid for. The insurance company made him pay the money back for the masks and now they won't cover any of his CPAP supplies. In this instance EBay suspended his sellers account for 6 months.

Anonymous
Anonymous 2009-09-24 18:26:08 -0500 Report

why is it that you are on every comment for help with legalities get with the real world not everyone is bad most of us just want to help each other if we can we dont need all of your reminders sometimes help the right way dosent happen or can take months to get what do you want people to do die before they get the help they need rather than risk hearing lectures from people like you

Anonymous
Anonymous 2008-11-22 21:06:40 -0600 Report

Why is it that everytime Kdroberts replies to a post, someone always has something bad to say about it? Just a question.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2008-11-23 07:03:22 -0600 Report

Sometimes the truth hurts...and he posts the truth. I find him refreshing and I am glad that his posts don't hold back. He has given me great advice in other posts, sometimes it is hard to swallow, but it is always helpful if I remove my pride and just listen to what he says.

Vicrgreen
Vicrgreen 2009-09-27 18:45:32 -0500 Report

I have yet to see him give bad advice. When he speaks he knows whereof he speaks.

Keep up the good work KD.
Vic

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