Any Fellow Conspiracy Theorists?

Jade R
By Jade R Latest Reply 2012-07-16 11:39:57 -0500
Started 2012-07-06 23:02:20 -0500

Does anyone else think that there are parties out there that aren't as excited and driven to find a cure as they claim to be as a result of the *huge* market for diabetes supplies? Seriously, there are 18.8 million diagnosed cases of diabetes in America alone. All these people need testers and test strips and the like. Can you imagine how much money is in that? How many people would be out of a job? I found this chart, didn't spend too much time looking into what sources they used but it seems legitimate.

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MrsCDogg 2012-07-16 11:39:57 -0500 Report

I would have to agree with you! I think that it is true with all big medicine. I'm not gonna get started on my opinons about these so-called foundations either. It's enough for me to say that I agree with you 100%%

Tony5657 2012-07-11 07:35:40 -0500 Report

By all means, a huge YES! There are billions of dollars to be made in the treatment of the symptoms & results of diabetes. In comparison, there is very little $$ to be made in the education & coaching involved that actually can improve or even heal diabetes in many cases using the human body's natural ability to overcome adversity - expecially in pre-diabetics & Type 2 cases. The pharmaceutical companies will continue advertising their "magic healing bullets" knowing most want the easy, instant results promised rather than the slower, life changing discipline needed to whip or greatly improve this condition naturally.

With me, being a pre-diabetic, I've learned I can NEVER return to the lifestyle I had or I would eventually become a Type 2 or Type 1. I finally came to the conclusion that not exercising, eating & drinking all the wrong things, lack of discipline, laziness & just hoping for the best, was only leading me into a huge "train wreck" of a situation.

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Tony5657 in New Braunfels, TX

IronOre 2012-07-10 22:22:29 -0500 Report

In my opinion if there is any kind of "conspiracy" it's with those dang testing devices.
There are several manufacturers of "test strip" type devices and they all do it identical to each other . . .
Wouldn't you think by now one of them would come up with something better ? jeez my finger tips get sore sometimes !
No, I really don't think something better will come along either . . . way too much money is being made on those test strips.

marydiabetes 2012-07-09 23:03:43 -0500 Report

ya now more and more people have diabetes, what actually cause it?? no body clear… it is related to our life style: bad working, living, and food intake habit as well as bad mood. Corrrect Product only can treat the disease but can not change people's bad habit, so if people make up their mind to change their bad habit, at the same time to take correct product, you will gain health again.

Jade R
Jade R 2012-07-10 18:30:43 -0500 Report

I'm type one so that healthy life style thing doesn't really apply to me but I completely agree with you.

HockeyGuy1990 2012-07-09 21:53:22 -0500 Report

Yes I believe this is the case for many "diseases," just think about it none of the money is in the cure for any of these, they would lose so much money if people were cured and no longer needed treatments or supplies.

Jan8 2012-07-08 07:13:26 -0500 Report

This "find a cure" has gone on for years and I am wondering where exactly any money goes.

Jade R
Jade R 2012-07-08 19:26:45 -0500 Report

In my opinion too much of it goes to stem cell research rather than to projects such as these.

This woman actually CURED diabetes in lab mice. How has this not been all over the news and just being smothered in funds. Because stem cell research is all the rage right now, that's why. The ADA or anyone else don't want to admit they were wrong.

GabbyPA 2012-07-10 22:29:34 -0500 Report

I have seen her before. The article says they are in human trials in this. That is very promising.
The ADA would report on it to a degree, but if diabetes goes away, so do they. So maybe that theory has some credence to it.

GabbyPA 2012-07-10 22:41:06 -0500 Report

That is sad. I know that there are tons of things going on that we will never hear about. Mostly because they fail or loose their funding. Not because of a huge coverup. However, it is very sad that places like the ADA are not grasping at every little tidbit. That is why I am thankful for other sites and organizations that get that info out there. The ADA is a dinosaur in the times of diabetes now. Maybe they will come around, but I think they are too steeped in the old ways.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-07-07 19:32:24 -0500 Report

Jade pharmaceutical companies are in business to make money. Millions of dollars are available to researchers to find cures or new treatments. Think of how much money they would lose if they actually found a cure for the most common illnesses. If I were a scientist and could get millions of dollars in grant money to find a treatment or possibly a cure, I would go for the treatment to keep money coming into my pockets and research.

MAYS 2012-07-07 08:23:54 -0500 Report

Conspiracy Theories?…Maybe!
Conflicting Information?…Always!

"An educated consumer, is our best customer." (Sy Syms, 1926 – 2009)
Very wise words that should never be forgotten by anyone!

The Medical industry is a part of the great "Tug of War" that exist in the civilized world today, the Big Four, (the others being Government, Banking, and Religion).

For every report that says one thing, there are 10+ reports that will say something that is the direct opposite, thus the "Tug of War!"
Do I knock any of the "Big Four" for what they do, no.

This has been going on before I took my first breath and it will continue to do so after I take my last one.
As both a consumer, and as a victim, I must carefully weigh my options and exercise the control that I have within myself to decide what is best for me.
After very careful research my decisions are based on the following, my needs, financial cost, and health risk.

The "conspiracy theory" allows balance among the "It does" and the "It does not's" , although the scales may tip one way more than the other, it very rarely falters.

My point is this, heed the words of Sy Syms, (I loved his commercials as a child, they always made me think before spending my money) be an educated consumer, when trying to prove a conspiracy theory you are going up against an establishment, one that survives off of it's product or it's theory.

It can be done, but do you have the means to do so?
(time, money, exposure, theory of your own to disprove theirs, patience)
It takes money to fight money, and power to fight power!

Be a personal activist against the conspiracy theorist, prove them wrong by taking care of yourself with an educated mindset.

My advice is this, be the fulcrum in a balance scale.
Balance out the information that is being given and do what is best for you based on observations.

"Every object has a certain weight and mass. The weight of an object is proportionate to gravitational force that pulls the matter and the mass is the amount of matter in an object. While weight fluctuates according to gravity, the mass is always the same."

That's my theory on the subject.

GabbyPA 2012-07-10 22:37:37 -0500 Report

Conspiracy Theories come from not getting all the information or not having it available. They are also born out of anger, fear, suspicion, ignorance and even hate. I am not saying the are not valid, I believe a few of them myself. But we have to weigh out the facts that are out there and be open minded to realize that we don't know everything and our emotions play a much larger role in what we believe than facts do sometimes.

And just because you read it on the internet doesn't mean it's true. LOL

Nick1962 2012-07-11 08:55:45 -0500 Report

So true Gabby, and that is exactly why they are call conspiracy “theories”. In the medical/healthcare field, there is no doubt many who are cashing in on our inability or willingness to take care of ourselves. We also have proof that some companies are offering “incentives” to push certain drugs and some doctors are taking those incentives – no “theory” there – documented facts.
Myself and several family members having worked/are working in healthcare/pharmaceuticals, I can say that many people are making some grand suppositions about how these entities function without concrete knowledge of the real system. Is there greed and abuse? You bet, but I think a good portion of it comes from our own willingness to allow ourselves to be duped in the first place.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-07-07 19:36:10 -0500 Report

Mays there is tons of information out there. This is why I don't comb the internet looking for information. She says "tomato and I say tomahto" it is a no win situation.

To prove a conspiracy theory, all you have to do is look high atop Capital Hill.

old biker
old biker 2012-07-07 07:45:02 -0500 Report

It's just not with diabetes..Pharmaceutical companies learned that the big money was not in finding a cure, but in developing drugs for treatment..If they find a cure they lose millions over the long run opposed to the millions they rake in each year from treatment drugs
And to be fair it is not just the drug companies, big business looks after big business..There is an old saying, " Money is the root of all evil "..They have no intentions of killing the goose that lays the golden egg, and we my young friend are that goose :-)

Jade R
Jade R 2012-07-07 19:09:53 -0500 Report

Pharmacological companies don't care. It's not their business to. However I don't have all that much faith even in the American Diabetes Association and the like.

Controlled 2012-07-07 19:05:30 -0500 Report

I agree, with one small clarification. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the quotation is: (1 Timothy 6:10) "For the love of money is the root of all evil".

old biker
old biker 2012-07-07 21:27:25 -0500 Report

Thank you I stand corrected :-)

Controlled 2012-07-08 13:58:24 -0500 Report

Nah, not corrected. Anyway, we're both stationary recumbent bikers! You need to change your name to Old Recumbent Biker!

Have a great day.

3xbypasser 2012-07-08 16:56:46 -0500 Report

I have a Master's in Healthcare Administration and have been a CEO and have seen many different types of insurance plans. I have been diabetic for 50+ years and have not had insurance for almost 18 years. Obamacare will not lower costs-they will increase. The care plan penalizes you if you do not have or can afford health insurance. Welcome to the new America-more like socialistic America. Canada's care is terrible-as ours will be soon.

locarbarbie 2012-07-07 06:40:54 -0500 Report

Absolutely, you have to wonder why the ADA and their diabetic educators give such skimpy, wimpy information. The best way to control your diabetes is to educate yourself and care for yourself. Doctor's are quick to prescribe meds that are in so many cases uneccessary. I refused to take statin, I was told it was protocol even though my cholestrol level was well within normal.
A family in Itally just won a lawsuit stating that YES, their child's vaccine WAS responsible for his autism.
There is a Texas who has a fantastic success rate in curing cancer with alternative methods, but he has had to fight tooth and nail against the AMA etc who try to close him down. He is allowed only to take on a cancer pt after they have gone thru intense chemo and radiation and are at deaths door, at that point, of course his treatment will be less successful so they can discredit him.
When I have gone for my annual mammogram, of course you are told not to wear any deodorant or lotions. I asked the tech why? Apparently the parabens or aluminum cluster in the tissue and may give "false" readings. That got me thinking…hm, I asked the tech, in that case should we even be using it at all? The tech admitted that she and others she works with do not use conventional deodorant anymore. Why are we not told this? Not to mention that the radiation in mammograms can actually cause breast cancer, there are safer ways to test.
Why is the American Medical Association and the FDA so against alternative, holistic medicine? Because they know that it works and they need to protect their cash cow.

n2late 2012-07-10 12:37:36 -0500 Report

I agree wholeheartedly Cannabis gets the same bad rap , even though it been proven to be a natural pain reliever,with none of the side effects of morton the Kidney destroyer.

IronOre 2012-07-07 02:55:44 -0500 Report

I did not look at your link, but after Type 1 for 38 years I believe strongly in your therory.
When I was young I was on two shots a day while on animal based insulin, it worked great for me; I was a heavy swimmer and did weights too. The animal based insulins were less than $25/vial.
Something that the animal based insulins have that the current synthetic insulins do not have is four hormones; including amylin and peptin, which (in my opinion) are vital for good diabetic health, and I feel (in hindsight) that they helped me work out so well when I was younger (I am age 51 now).
These insulins were pulled off the market totally in the USA and are impossible to get.

I really don't have much hope for a cure, but to bring things back to the way they were would be a step forward for me.

Jade R
Jade R 2012-07-07 19:04:54 -0500 Report

You aren't allowed to donate blood if you are using animal insulin I know that.

IronOre 2012-07-07 19:52:17 -0500 Report

Actually I am not allowed to donate while on Lantus, because it is not made in the US.
I thought I was able to donate when I was on animal based insulin, but it was such a long time ago.

Jade R
Jade R 2012-07-07 19:54:57 -0500 Report

Really they don't let you donate with Lantus? Must be a state-to-state thing because I can donate with Lantus in Connecticut.

IronOre 2012-07-07 20:05:59 -0500 Report

oh really !!! Maybe I should come there to donate.
They tend to make blanket rules here . . . If you are on ANY drug made outside the U.S. you may not give blood . . . very anal as far as I'm concerned.

dietcherry 2012-07-07 09:30:02 -0500 Report

I wish to use the bovine/porcine insulins again too!! They never caused me lows—in fact no problems whatsoever. Ive read that it is the use of the older insulins that may have afforded alot of us long-term T1s protection from complications over the years; Im 32 years in living with T1 and have none!

I heard you can order them from Canada—we had a member here 3-4 years ago who was still using them.

IronOre 2012-07-07 20:50:37 -0500 Report

I did a quick check on Canada Drugs and could not find anything.
Being a kid with diabetes is really tough now . . . I never had to take a shot while at school, and now they need to go to the nurse to do it.

dietcherry 2012-07-08 11:04:20 -0500 Report

I didnt know kids had to go to the nurses office! Why is that—is the needle considered a "weapon" ??? :)

dietcherry 2012-07-08 12:51:58 -0500 Report

Agreed. We had it pretty good taking 1 shot a day in the a.m. and coming home to our bathroom laboratory to check the BG lol

IronOre 2012-07-09 03:13:37 -0500 Report

yea right . . . when the pee turned orange was not a good thing, and jeez that thing got hot!

dietcherry 2012-07-09 09:33:58 -0500 Report

hahahahhahaa OMG you just took me straight back! Little tiny test tubes required good aim and a steady hand

IronOre 2012-07-09 17:20:19 -0500 Report

My aim was just fine :)
Here's diabetic a trivia question:
What other colors did the pee turn other than orange ? (fot the life of me I have no idea what they were)

dietcherry 2012-07-09 17:48:57 -0500 Report

yeah well it helps when your POV isnt upside down lol I dont know—I vaguely remember blue-green, green, puke green, yellow-brown-ish, and orange; sound right to you??

IronOre 2012-07-09 21:51:56 -0500 Report

lol . . .
yea, that sounds right.
I know for sure it was yellow before putting the tablet in, and I know that red and green makes blue, so from there we can add some sugar and get the colors of the pukey rainbow that you described.

IronOre 2012-07-10 12:11:03 -0500 Report

It seems to me like I blocked much of that from my mind (not good days for me), so in response to your question . . . I have no idea.
And to think that we look at the two shots a day thing as "the good old days".

dietcherry 2012-07-10 22:42:02 -0500 Report

I seriously no longer remember what is was like NOT to ever have had D—its all I know. Theres just no memory of a time when I didnt have to take shots and check BGs :(

Controlled 2012-07-07 00:29:20 -0500 Report

Great post. My answer is "yes, but not this conspiracy."
I would be more inclined to believe a conspiracy theory if there were no other conditions or diseases that require research, treatment and medication. I hope that I'm wrong, but a "cure" is unlikely due to the fact that human beings are biologically and metabolically unique. The epidemic comes from government subsidized crops, or prohibiting raising crops and/or destroying crops and, in addition, the use of food additives designed solely for longer shelf life and corporate profits. So, I'm not inclined to believe a conspiracy theory for this condition per se; however, sign me up for a conspiracy theory regarding irradiated food, food additives and a medical model that entirely disregards prevention.

Jade R
Jade R 2012-07-07 19:03:11 -0500 Report

Yeah I'm not really suggesting that is the reason we don't have a cure yet but I definitely think people aren't as motivated so they could be.

arsmithsr 2012-07-09 15:32:11 -0500 Report

You mean like the recommended diet that has been proved wrong over and over again? You know the low fat no red meat high carb diet the Government has been pushing for years. The one that has coincidently coresponded to the huge increase in Diebties?

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