Repeal and Replace?

J Kate
By J Kate Latest Reply 2012-07-06 00:53:11 -0500
Started 2012-06-29 09:48:52 -0500

There is a lot of controversy about Obamacare being held up on Thursday. The biggest voice against it is crying Real and Replace, but replace with what?

Here is one idea:

Diabetics face the constant challenge of needing medical supplies/meds on a daily basis. For many it can be stressful, which only makes controlling blood sugars more difficult.

My son has been diabetic since he was four. His friends are trying to figure out how to go to college, work and move out of their parents house. He has to add in getting insurance coverage/paying for his diabetic supplies. It's a lot to handle. I don't agree with much of the healthcare reform, but I am glad that the age that children can stay on their parents insurance was extended. I worry about my son being able to do it all. I think we can all agree that there has to be a better way.

What do think? Repeal and Replace or keep working to fix Obamacare?

35 replies

IronOre 2012-07-06 00:53:11 -0500 Report

I have been diabetic for 38 years.
The last two years I have been working "contract" so no insurance.
I am able to get by with less than $175/month for everything.
I buy, in quanity, from Canada Drugs, and can get Novolog for $40/vial and lantus for $70/vial.
I buy my test strips from Ebay, typically .40/strip average.
So, that's how I make it.
Obamacare, no way. I can't think of anything that was better after the fed government took over. If you think life will be better with it, then think again.

tabby9146 2012-07-03 09:55:26 -0500 Report

I am glad for the age that a grown child can stay on their parent's plan as well, that is one of the very very few things I like and agree with. My son is 21, and he is trying so hard to make it, he had to move back in with us last year he pays for his car and car insurance, and that is about all he can really afford, he has to have some money for other things he is on our plan and I am very glad. He certainly could not handle medical bills. Glad gas has gone down so much, hoping it will go down some more. It's harder these days in my opinion for young adults to really make it, so often they can't pay all their bills, or ALL of their money goes to bills. There is no way he could pay rent right now for a really decent place, we wouldnt want him living in a run down place. I don't wish to comment on Obamacare, I don't like to get real political, don't want anyone to get upset with how I feel.

Young1s 2012-07-03 08:44:58 -0500 Report

Well coming from the birthplace of Romney Care, I can tell you that it works on a small level. I just think that too many people will still be left out in the cold, but then as you said what's the alternative? Some care is better than no care at all for sure. My husband and I (when I did work) have been fortunate enough to work in places that offer affordable insurance plans. Not an easy thing to find with a family of 6 let me tell you. Part of our concentrated efforts is to instill in our children (the twins in particular because they are 6 years away from having this all thrown in their laps) the importance of getting a good education, which in turn leads to a good paying job. Don't want them to ever have to struggle like the hubby and I did when we were first starting out. And now that I'm diabetic, omg I don't know what I would do if he didn't have insurance. Too scary to think about.

old biker
old biker 2012-07-03 08:07:08 -0500 Report

Strange so much of our tax dollars go to the research and development of the most sophisticated weapons of death, destruction and misery that the world has ever seen and nobody says boo. Tax for health, well being and life and people go nuts..What does that say about us as a nation and society

MAYS 2012-07-03 06:07:35 -0500 Report

The economy did not get bad over night, nor will it be fixed in a day by any one president, democrat or republican.

(Let's place the blame for the economy where it rightfully belongs, on congress!)

Healthcare reform was (and is) needed, unfortunately you either try, and sometimes fail to fix what is definitely a problem, or you start from scratch and create something new, these choices are the choices of the politicians with very little input from us, the citizens of the United States of America!

Since my crystal ball is broken, and my ouija board is missing, I cannot foretell the future on this one, so I must wait and see what happens, meanwhile I must tend to my health and my conditions, I don't have enough time, money or energy to let my physical problems develope into mental problems by allowing my emotions (good or bad) to manage my life.

"Obama Care", "Romney Care", "No Care" and "We Care" all sound good at some point and time (to some people) but I prefer "Me Care" because that is the one that helps me to deal with everything in my life, day, after day, after day!


NikkieM76 2012-06-30 05:44:44 -0500 Report

Speaking as someone on insurance, it is not easy even having insurance as the copays that have to be paid ar ridiculous. Betwen lancets, strips, insulin, lisinopril, pump supplies, the cost is very prohibitive to pwd to take care of themselves

suziesgirl 2012-06-29 19:02:47 -0500 Report

Our first priority is to get this current president out of office. How can anyone reform anything when you have a man in office who is only interested in destroying what most of us hold very dear, Our Freedom.

pixsidust 2012-07-03 01:18:59 -0500 Report

I am with you and completely agree. Why keep someone in office who dug the hole deeper…way deeper.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-06-29 21:50:06 -0500 Report

That is your first priority. My first priority is to keep him in office. The President cannot take away or give away your freedom or mine. Only Congress has the power to do that of which the President can veto. The President mainly has only the power of veto. He can write bills but Congress has to pass those bills so you can't blame the President for what Congress does. Instead why not vote out Congressman who have been in office for years and done nothing. Everyone wants to blame the President irregardless of who he is yet when this President took office he got the mess Bush left behind. No one is screaming about that.

When Bill Clinton was President, Hillary attempted to get Universal Care passed and Americans complained about that. It seems that those with health insurance doesn't want those without it to have any kind of health care. This can be fixed if people are willing to give and take. All people want to do is take and give nothing in return.

We the People of the United States, allow congress to send money to other countries yet people in this country are homeless and hungry. We the People of the United States allows our military to fight in countries when our Congress sold them weapons they now use against us. We the People of the United States can sit back and complain about what congress is doing yet many people do not vote or won't write to the very people they put into office and voice their complaint. We the People of the United States have allowed Congress to bail out Banks, Automakers who then refuse to lend money and raise the cost of automobiles. We the People of the United States have allowed Congress to give itself pay raises while the very people they are suppose to serve are losing homes and jobs or have jobs and have not got a decent salary increase or are furloughed. We the People of the United States allowed the CIA to train Osama Bin Laden to train a group of people in Afghanistan who then turn on the USA. I know this because I studied National Security and Terrorism in College.

I write to my representatives in both City, State and Federal Governments. My city council person as well as the state representatives in my legislative district and I are on first name basis. I know them and they know me because I am very much aware of what they are doing and I have worked on their campaigns.

I have two questions for you Suzi, do you know your representatives on a first name basis, do they call you, email you or even walk on your street? Have you ever written or called your representatives to voice you complaint or hold them accountable for how they vote or about something up for a vote?

I do and if you haven't why complain.

MAYS 2012-06-29 22:01:28 -0500 Report

Just Joyce,
Well said!
My applause to you!
I hope that throughout this discussion and others on the same subject that everyone here at Diabetic Connrct can remain respectful of others and not let the politics of the nation divide us as diabetics, which is the foremost reason that we are all here!


MAYS 2012-06-29 19:28:48 -0500 Report

No president can take away any of our civil liberties, although a few have attempted to in the past, those very rights are constantky argued against and upheld by the supreme court.
Only congress can do so, although the check and balance system that was imposed by Jamed Madison (presidential veto, and supreme court overturnment) can prevent congress from doing so, thereby protecting our civil liberties as they are outlined in the constitution and in the bill of rights.

We can all thank the group that is allowed to vote themselves a pay raise (congress, isn't that nice!) for anything that happens, both good and bad.

Haven't you noticed that nothing "bad" ever happens to the members of congress, it's amazing how they always manage to cover each others behinds?!

Why do we always blame a president, democrat or republican, who has limited power, yet we don't blame the group that actually runs the country?
Not to mention the banks, corporations and the various religious organizations and churches!


alanbossman 2012-06-29 18:20:16 -0500 Report

I'am not sure about Obamacare but seems to me that we as tax payers in this country we pay for the healthcare all politictans and there family members for life. Now they tell us we have to pay for our own healthcare coverage through the Goverment. If its good for the goose way not the gander Its free for them and not us, they should pay.

MAYS 2012-06-29 19:01:08 -0500 Report

Very well said!
Are we (as tax payers) not people also, are we not entitled to similar benefits?

Congressional Medical Benefits:

How their health care plan works

Members of Congress participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program along with about 8 million federal workers, retirees and their dependents. They are subject to the same rules and receive the same coverage. Compared with health plans offered by private employers, the FEHBP offers more choices — in fact, "the widest selection of health plans in the country," according to the Office of Personnel Management.

Congress members are also eligible for Medicare, and pay the same 1.45 percent tax on their salary as do other workers.

A few extras

Congress members do receive some medical benefits beyond those available to regular federal workers.

For an annual payment of $503, members can receive routine care from the Office of the Attending Physician, which has facilities in the Capitol. ABC News reported last year that these services include physicals and other examinations, on-site X-rays and lab work, physical therapy and referrals to medical specialists.

In addition, current members (but not their dependents) can receive medical and emergency dental care at military hospitals and clinics. Inpatient care is covered by FEHBP insurance, but outpatient care is free if it's performed at facilities in the national capital region, such as Bethesda Naval Hospital in Maryland or Walter Reed Army Medical Center in the District of Columbia.

This benefit is likely the source of persistent online rumors that all medical care is free for Congress members.

No matter how you look at it, their (members of congress) medical insurance is better than mine!


MAYS 2012-06-29 13:35:59 -0500 Report

The games that people (politicians) play!
Instead of inciting unrest among the people (to cover up what they are really doing..nothing) why not give it a chance?
If it doesn't work, or if it's not good for anyone then repeal it!

It is now the "Law of the Land."
But it is not written in stone, nor is it infallable!
Before crying out against something because of what others are telling you, why not read all about it yourself then come to your own conclusion.

Politicians have great health insurance, (and so does their family members) yet many American tax payers do not!
Why not ask them why?

Obamacare and Romney Care are identical, it worked on a state basis and can work on a federal level.
How come one was accepted and the other one rejected?

Politics is a tug of war, back and forth, strength against weakness, but at the end of the day the politicians go home to their well fed families, no medical issues, no financial pitfalls, can you (or I) say that?

Think about that the next time you receive a bill from your doctor!

The greatest divider in this country is no longer Religion, Money or Race, it's Politics, most people don't even understand the inner workings of politics, yet they are politically affiliated!

Politically it's Democrat vs. Republican, socially (racial) it's Black vs. White, morally some will disguise it as Right vs. Wrong.

Either way it's the American Political System of divide, conquer and coverup, there are a lot of worse government sponsored programs out there than this one.

The more power that you give someone over you, the less power you will have over yourself!


Somoca 2012-06-29 12:01:49 -0500 Report

I don't believe that Obama care is the answer. It bothers me that I was bred and born here, work here, pay taxes here and I can't afford to go to the doctor when I need to. I shouldn't have to chose between food and insurance, lights or meds. And when someone proclaims in that high pitch voice " I only pay 4 dollars for my Rx with my insurance" Guess what? I could too…once I get past paying that 1-200.00 for the physical to GET the 4.00 RX..ughhhh. I do not believe that everyone will ever be happy with any idea, but I know something has to change. The baby boomers are retiring and something has to change.

Nick1962 2012-06-29 11:33:32 -0500 Report

How about repeal and reform. The article you link to is a good one, and I think there’s a lot of merit to requiring folks to set aside funds for health care. Sure this would look like another tax on your paycheck like FICA, State and Federal, but like Social Security, isn’t that what we’re after here? Social Health Care Security? This way you’re not forced to buy into a generic plan that may not fit your needs, or be paying into a system where your excess dollars go to someone else.

Free market reforms would also go a long way in reducing costs. If Pharma were allowed to compete in a free market system for non-prescription D supplies (strips, pumps and such), I would think that because you’re no longer dealing with a third party payment system (the insurance company), supplies would be cheaper simply because of the lessened burden of all that fee recovery mess.

MHoskins2179 2012-06-30 11:14:26 -0500 Report

Free market reforms… excuse me while I suppress my laughs.

Seriously, I thought we were trying to discuss "affordable care" here?!?! Not if the insurers are calling the shots without any minimum standards in place.

Nick1962 2012-06-30 11:19:00 -0500 Report

Exactly my point. Remove the insurer and relegate it to a position in place only for catastrophic conditions like auto insurance.

gbc43 2012-06-29 11:27:07 -0500 Report

Something going on in Michigan right now, a laywer is call the presidents race racist .The rich man want's it to stay the same and Obama has cared for the people who can't afford it.The rich man said hes going to repeal the law .

MAYS 2012-06-29 13:39:21 -0500 Report

No one individual can repeal a law, yet this is the same person who initiated the the healthcare reform in the first place!

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