Amounts to intake

CJ55
By CJ55 Latest Reply 2012-08-29 22:10:18 -0500
Started 2012-06-21 08:25:53 -0500

Hello everyone.. I am T2 and just joined DC.. Can anyone tell me how many carbs, protein, fats one should eat in one day. I was never taught this and I am clueless. I have a very sedatary lifestyle due to several illiness. Any advice would be helpful. Ty..


47 replies

Drmarzo
Drmarzo 2012-08-29 20:55:34 -0500 Report

Yes! There is an free app called GOMEALS. It is very helpful for diabetics and calories daily intake. It allows you to picks within a daily allowance of 2000 calamity and low fat intake. Let me know if you like it
is peace drmarzo

CJ55
CJ55 2012-08-29 22:10:18 -0500 Report

I will check out the site. Thank you. Since I posted the above, my PCP has hired a Diabetes Specialist now working at her office and I have an apt with her this Friday. I was told by my endo to eat 1500 cals per day and 30 carbs for breakfest, lunch, dinner and 15 carbs for 1 snack.

Patty0057
Patty0057 2012-08-11 06:22:56 -0500 Report

I agree that you need one on one time with a dietician as well as diabetes Ed classes. Take an active part in this by going to ADA's website & learning all you can. Carefully track all carb intake by reading labels carefully & then test frequently so that you know how your body reacts to that carb load. Keep a log of all sugars. Check fasting ones. When checking after eating test 2 hours after you started eating. I use my cell as a timer to remind me.

CJ55
CJ55 2012-08-11 07:38:00 -0500 Report

Hello Patty. I am seeing a diabetes educator in 2 weeks. I keep a daily log of my food intake and my BS and carbs. I test at least 7 times a day, some days more. It depends if I am trying something new. I am a member of the ADA and I receive Diabetes Forecast and Diabetic Living in the mail. I was told last week from my Endo to eat: 30 Carbs for breakfest, lunch & dinner and eat 2 snacks @ 15 carbs each. Keep calories to 1500-1700 per day. That is more than I usually eat in a day, but I am trying. Thank you for your helpful advice. Have a great Saturday. CJ. \U+128044

jigsaw
jigsaw 2012-07-12 14:09:02 -0500 Report

CJ55, you are liable to see a host of varied opinons that could be confusing! Much of the info is helpful but tricky at best. You may want to consider a good registered dietician that has good experience with diabetes. It's a good starting point, and they will taylor a food plan to fit your needs and metabolism!!!

anniebell01
anniebell01 2012-06-27 05:57:06 -0500 Report

Also to make tracking easier, I suggest a log. There are several good sites on the Internet: loseit. Com, my fitness pal. Com. They have a huge inventory of food listings. You cam also input your own dishes. You can scan the bar code on the label if almost all foods, and it adds them in "your foods". It has has resturant and grocery items. Easy to use, and it also recaps your day and gives you daily, weekly totals. I print out each weekly total report. It show percentage of fats, carbs, chlorestral, fiber. Protein- so you can see just how you are doing.

jdla
jdla 2012-06-26 23:54:47 -0500 Report

15 grams of carb per serving. 2-3 servings per meal. Use my plate.gov also. Very helpful. American Diabetes Association also has great info on meals and T2

mary, the diabetes lady
mary, the diabetes lady 2012-06-25 11:41:15 -0500 Report

We went to nutritionist at a large teaching hospital in Cleveland Oh. They put my husband on 13 carbs a day! That was in late 2001. At that time he had a sedentary job as a computer programmer. They also put him on 5 units of insulin in addition to his metformin, etc. Within 18 months his insulin dose went up by 5 and 10 units to a total of 43 units, his weight ballooned up to 280 pounds, he was irritable and hell to live with. He had zero energy. The neuropathy in his feet became even more severe. He was on Neurotin for pain of the neuropathy and he could not walk more than 75 feet at a time.
We changed his carbs - lowered them to 9 a day then lowered them again to like 6 a day (this is 6 servings of carbs a day - not 6 grams of carbs).
His insulin doses began to drop and within 3 months he was off of insulin - that was in 2003 and he has never gone back. Within 1 year he was off of the Neurontin for his neuropathy because the neuropathy was gone! He lost 80 pounds within 9 months and last Fall cut his carbs again and lost another 20 pounds for a total weight loss of 100 pounds. He looks and feel great. His doctors are amazed at how well he is doing!
Here's how we beat diabetes by counting carbs (you should always check with your doctor before beginning any changes):

You can count carbs 2 ways: 1. Grams of carbohydrates or 2. Servings of carbs — 15 grams of carbohydrates equals 1 serving of carbs.

Check the nutrition labels on all packaged foods. ( especially the fat free and sugar free — (which in my opinion NO ONE should eat. When they take out the fat they replace it with carbs)

Let's look at a box of Cheerios for example:
Nutrition label
1. Serving Size
2. Total Carbohydrates (usually listed in grams of carbohydrates)

Serving Size: 1 cup
Total Carbohydrates: 22 grams

If you are counting your grams of carbohydrates per day you would simply add the 22 grams to your daily count.

If you are counting by "servings of carbs" you would take the 22 grams and divide that number by 15. Why 15? Because 15 grams of carbohydrates equals 1 serving of carbs.

22 grams divided by 15 equals 1.46 servings of carbs.

If you are counting by "servings of carbs per day you would add 1.46 carbs to that daily total.

You need to determine how you will count the carbs either by serving of carbs or by grams. You also need to determine how many carbs are right for you.

You can do that by adding up the carbs you presently are eating. Then decide how many carbs you would like to cut down on. So if you are eating 20 servings of carbs per day (that would be 300 grams per day) you might decide that 15 or 13 servings of carbs would be a good place to start. ALWAYS, ALWAYS CHECK WITH YOUR DOCTOR BEFORE MAKING ANY CHANGES!

Once you have a comfortable number of carbs per day, stay with that number for 2 weeks and see what is happening. Is your blood sugar coming down? Are you losing weight? How do you feel? More energy?? You will find the right number of carbs for you.
Hope this helps!
Good luck and God bless!

CJ55
CJ55 2012-06-25 13:31:12 -0500 Report

Wow!! I had no idea how to figure that out. I knew 1 carb = 15 but that is all I knew. For instance if my dr says… 30 carbs breakfest, thatis 2 servings? 45 lunch = 3 servings ? Ty for your help

mary, the diabetes lady
mary, the diabetes lady 2012-06-25 16:11:40 -0500 Report

Well, yes and no. Your for instance "if my dr. says…30 carbs for breakfest, that is 2 servings? 45 lunch = 3 servings?" To answer that I say: 30 carbs for breakfast is 2 servings of a food that is worth 15 grams for each serving - yes. But you must know the size of the serving and you must know the amount of carbohydrates for that serving size.

Example: 1 piece of white bread is 15 grams of carbohydrates. 2 pieces of toast with that white bread would be 30 grams of carbohydrates.

Now that is PLAIN toast with butter only. Add jam or jelly which is usually 15 grams of carbohydrates per Tablespoon and you have now added more carbohydrates to your total.

2 pieces of toast @ 15 grams per piece = 30 grams
1 Tablespoon of jam/jelly @ 15 grams per Tablespoon = 15 grams
30 + 15 + 45 grams of carbohydrates OR if your counting "servings of carb" it would be 45 grams divided by 15 = 3 servings of carbs.

We eat 4 to 5 servings of carbs per day. 4 x 15 = 60 grams 5 x 15= 75 grams.

We spread our carbohydrate consumption out over the entire day. We have learned that you should not eat all your carbohydrates at one meal.

Hope this helps. If not, please feel free to ask for more clarity.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-06-22 11:26:38 -0500 Report

I would first talk to my doctor and a nutritionist then adjust my diet accordingly. Depending on your blood sugar numbers vs mine, I might be able to eat more or less carbs, protein's and fat per meal than you. In reading the post here on DC I know that for some T2 people that all of these can have a different affect on each individual. I know that I can eat some carbs that have very little or no effect on my blood sugar numbers while someone else could have a change in their readings. Even still you will have to find out through testing how carbs are going to change your readings.

hughsbayou
hughsbayou 2012-06-22 11:14:51 -0500 Report

If you keep the carbs really low you will start to switch to a fat burning metabolism. The Atkins diet works quite well and can be used as a guideline. The issues with it have been debunked so don't worry about all that. One doesn't stay on the extreme version very long, about two to three weeks to switch the body to a fat burning metabolism. After that one can up the carbs a bit and eat more normally. I just avoid bread, pasta, rice, potatoes etc and get along fine eating meat and vegetables. I don't worry about amounts, I can't afford to overeat these things.

old biker
old biker 2012-07-04 06:32:01 -0500 Report

That works for me also.. I used to be a meat and potato man. Now it's meat and vegetables..small portions

CJ55
CJ55 2012-07-04 22:31:58 -0500 Report

Hello biker.. Dont like calling you "old".. I have been very good these past 7 days. Eating lots of protien, low low carbs , and almost no sugar. I found a great sugar free french vanilla coffee I love and also coffee mate makes a sugar free (liquidform) french vanilla creamer. It is very yummy!! No more coffee with reg sugar and cream. I have tried many sugar subs but havent found one I like as yet. They all taste sooooo much sweeter than reg sugar. Been eating basically a protein (meat) with veggies or beans. For a snack, cut up strawberries & apples. Lost 5 lbs this week even still being sick. :-) thanks for the helpful advice. Happy days!!!

CJ55
CJ55 2012-06-23 00:37:22 -0500 Report

Ty for your input. I have read the Atkins diet but was concerned about cholesterol getting too high. But I learned that after being on Atkins everything stabilizes. Right now my total cholesterol is only 122. Very low which was great news for me.

MAYS
MAYS 2012-06-22 03:08:44 -0500 Report

Hello, and Welcome to the fanily!
The advice that was given to another family member concerning carbohydrates in a previous discussion may interest you as well as answer a few questions that you may also have:

http://www.diabeticconnect.com/discussions/15...

~Mays~

red flower lady
red flower lady 2012-06-21 17:28:18 -0500 Report

Hello, this is something you should talk to your dr about based on your health issues and goals. Ask to be sent to a nutritionist/dietician and classes as you will learn alot of info and a plan for your lifestyle will be set up. Until then, there are some great video's on this site to go with the info given below. I don't know your health issues, but have you tried swimming or just doing some water exercises? There are also exercises that can be done sitting down, but basically any exercise is better then none:)

CJ55
CJ55 2012-06-21 23:08:25 -0500 Report

Hello red.. Ty for your input. I am hoping to be able to exercise soon. I have had 5 surgeries this past 14 mths. Right now walking is a challenge. But everyday is better. Mind wise for me is this site. It has made me feel so much better about my life. The ppl I have met in the past 2 days has been wonderful. Very uplifting. Ty so much. :-)

red flower lady
red flower lady 2012-06-22 15:11:34 -0500 Report

Your welcome. So sorry about the surgeries I know all about that myself. Walking is also an issue for me and just last night passing some boxes that are packed and waiting to go to garage,I tried to get between them and my daughter's fan in the hallway and well, I ended up kicking the boxes barefoot. Yes, I broke two toes and hairline fracture in ankle. I should mention how lovely the black bruises go with my pink nail polish! At least I'm fashionable! Who needs to walk anyway, it's over rated:D

I'm so glad you found us and are feeling better and connected, were are happy to have you. You can get replies to anything here, so just ask. Good luck

CJ55
CJ55 2012-06-21 23:01:45 -0500 Report

Hi Jralphs, ty for the site. I just went there and read a 2 day meal plan. It was awesome!! i'm going back there now to look some more. I go on vacation sat to sat so when i get back I'm calling to see a dietician and check on going to educational classes. I have had T2 D for 7 years but never really learned much about it. I do own several books and cookbooks, however, I really haven't used the cookbooks very much. As for the pool exercises, I taught water aerobics for 3 1/2 years. Loved it!!! However i have had 5 surgeries this past 14 months and I haven' t been able to exercise or get into a pool. I am hoping soon. Ty again for your input. I really appreciate it. Hugs..

Type1Lou
Type1Lou 2012-06-21 17:11:48 -0500 Report

I think Nick1962 hit the nail on the head! Become aware of the carbohydrate content of the foods you eat (pay attention to the serving size too). You'll be surprised how many carbs you may have been consuming. Then, cut back on the carbs because they are what cause your BG to rise. By cutting back on the carbs, the weight should drop. Each of us have different requirements for our body size, metabolism and activity level. I'm a 5'3" (nearly) female and limit myself to 120 grams of carb per day. I works for me but might be not enough for you.

CJ55
CJ55 2012-06-21 23:21:18 -0500 Report

ty so much for your input. I really makes since. 120 carbs seems ok, how many calories do you consume a day?

Type1Lou
Type1Lou 2012-06-22 10:19:01 -0500 Report

I don't bother to count the calories since it's the carbs that count for me. I weigh 121 lbs right now…I put on 5 lbs in the past 8 weeks because I'm not walking as much as I used to…need to get back on the walking routine. It really points out the value of exercise for me.

CJ55
CJ55 2012-06-23 00:50:16 -0500 Report

It really does. I am not that lucky to weigh 121 lbs. so calories is also a big factor as well as the carbs. Ty for your input.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-06-21 09:31:33 -0500 Report

Hey CJ55,
This really is something you have to discover, but my basic advice is as much protein as possible (within reason) and as few carbs and sugars as possible. Testing when you eat will determine just how many you can have, but some say up to 100 grams of carbs per day is what they take in. Livestrong recommends 30-50 per meal for women, and 40-60 per meal for men depending on weight and activity. Carbs are energy/fuel, so you do need them, but you should choose the beneficial carbs for best results. Carbs that come from breads, rice, pasta, crackers, potatoes, most snacks are fast acting and will spike your BG (which you don’t want), so if you can get them from fruits, vegetables, eggs and lean meats you’d be better off.

You say you’re mainly sedentary and have other issues, so that’s kind of a mixed problem. First, if you’re not getting much exercise, you won’t burn much off, however, many illnesses tax the body and you’ll burn up energy just living. So, you really don’t fit a standard profile.

My diet would not be good for you (I do it mainly for weight loss, but it works for “D” control also). I try to get less than 50 carbs per day, and I use the 777 rule. No single food should have more than 7 grams carbs, 7 grams sugar, and should have at least 7 grams or more of protein.

I’d say cutting out as many carbs and sugars as you can would be the goal rather than sticking to a strict number. Frequent testing will be the key. If you see you’re getting too many high numbers, you’ll know to cut back on certain foods. You’re really after keeping the BG numbers in line, rather than keeping to a certain number of carbs and such. Establishing a routine will go a long way in doing that also.

I know this doesn’t directly answer your question, but I hope it helps.

CJ55
CJ55 2012-06-21 11:48:20 -0500 Report

Ty for your advice. I really need to loose weight but was uncertain about how much of what to eat. I do test my sugars at least 4 a 5 times a day. Your response was very helpful.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-06-21 13:35:46 -0500 Report

Well, then my diet might work for you. I lost 90 lbs. I tested at random times so I wasn't always getting a certain daily pattern. I also tested a lot of days sometimes 10-12 times just to see what foods did what to me to find out out a safe meal plan to keep my numbers in line.

CJ55
CJ55 2012-06-21 23:32:01 -0500 Report

hello nick.. 50 carbs a day seems low. Are you really getting enough food to eat? What carbs do you consume 3x's a day? It boggles my mine it is so low. 777 per meal? Carbs, sugar, protein? Is there really food that low you can eat? Have any examples w/o me searching frantically everywhere? Is there a book or website with this info? I would love to know. Can't wait for a reply. Ty again. Bty, congrats on the 90 lbs.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-06-22 09:07:05 -0500 Report

Hey CJ. My 777 rule is a goal, and yes, it is near impossible to follow 100% of the time. But we’ve found that if you set your goal high, even though I know I’ll slip, where you fail is still better than setting a “realistic” goal and slipping from that. And remember, I said “no single food item”, so when combining foods for a meal, you can get up to 30 carbs per meal. Again, this is fairly extreme and I started it to lose weight, the BG control was just a very happy side effect. It may not be for you.
Yes, I get plenty of food, and once you start reading labels, you get to know it by heart. It is a big diet change for most folks, but then we’ve been so conditioned to eat poorly over the years, we don’t realize just how bad we’ve become. We tend to mindlessly eat, and usually eat by the clock rather than what our body needs.

I follow what would be considered a “modified Paleo” diet as discussed here:
http://www.diabeticconnect.com/discussions/14...
Several of us here do the same with great results. The concept of the Paleo diet has been around since the 70’s, but to our knowledge, never applied as a diet for diabetics, so I guess we’re sort of pioneers here. You’ll also want to get some input from jayabee52 and Caroltoo.

To start with, I had to look at what is considered a “meal”. By most people’s thinking, during the week I only eat 1 “meal” per day. Since M-F I’m at a computer most days, I don’t need so much “fuel”, so I’ll have a piece of fruit for breakfast, then some nuts a few hours later, a small lunch of vegetables, cheese or trail mix, and then again a few hours later a mid-afternoon snack. I exercise in the evening, so I’ll have a snack before that, and after my evening “meal” of a fairly large salad with some form of protein like chicken or even a burger (no bun) on the side. Lastly, a small protein snack before bed. I rarely eat breads, rice, and pasta during the week. Basically, I’m matching my fuel needs to my calories burned, and by eating small amounts frequently, I avoid those huge spikes and lows from “meals”. I’m not making my body work so hard to burn or store calories.

Weekends are different; I’m much more active and adjust accordingly. I fuel up in the morning with eggs and some form of protein (Denver omelet maybe), and because I’m active almost all day, I just snack my way through (again, every few hours) until dinner, which would be considered a “normal meal”. For example, a small steak, some grilled shrimp and a vegetable falls perfectly with my 777 rule (but it is expensive, so we don’t do it all the time). A sausage stuffed pork chop, green beans and some braised white beans do also (but the beans might be a smidge over). I basically just replace that usual carb of rice or potatoes with another vegetable. Again, I don’t adhere to it strictly all the time, but I save my bad “cheats” for the times when I know they’ll be appreciated like going out to a good restaurant.

A side effect I’ve noticed is that by keeping this smooth flow of feeding, when I do go off my diet once or twice, my body seems to absorb those spikes a whole lot better. Meals I ate 5 years ago that would have sent me into the 200+ range don’t have nearly the same effect now. Here’s a few of our experiments:
http://www.diabeticconnect.com/discussions/15...
http://www.diabeticconnect.com/discussions/15...
http://www.diabeticconnect.com/discussions/14...

Well, I could go on, but basically I eat fairly simple, whole foods. It works for me, but might not for you. That help?