STATE THREATENS TO SHUT DOWN NUTRITION BLOGGER

dietcherry
By dietcherry Latest Reply 2015-08-04 18:49:25 -0500
Started 2012-05-21 15:04:40 -0500

State Threatens to Shut Down Nutrition Blogger
http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/dis...

Nutrition board says he needs a license to advocate dietary approaches

By Sara Burrows

Apr. 23rd, 2012

CHARLOTTE — The North Carolina Board of Dietetics/Nutrition is threatening to send a blogger to jail for recounting publicly his battle against diabetes and encouraging others to follow his lifestyle.

Chapter 90, Article 25 of the North Carolina General Statutes makes it a misdemeanor to “practice dietetics or nutrition” without a license. According to the law, “practicing” nutrition includes “assessing the nutritional needs of individuals and groups” and “providing nutrition counseling.”

Steve Cooksey has learned that the definition, at least in the eyes of the state board, is expansive.

When he was hospitalized with diabetes in February 2009, he decided to avoid the fate of his grandmother, who eventually died of the disease. He embraced the low-carb, high-protein Paleo diet, also known as the “caveman” or “hunter-gatherer” diet. The diet, he said, made him drug- and insulin-free within 30 days. By May of that year, he had lost 45 pounds and decided to start a blog about his success.

But this past January the state diatetics and nutrition board decided Cooksey’s blog — Diabetes-Warrior.net — violated state law. The nutritional advice Cooksey provides on the site amounts to “practicing nutrition,” the board’s director says, and in North Carolina that’s something you need a license to do.

Unless Cooksey completely rewrites his 3-year-old blog, he could be sued by the licensing board. If he loses the lawsuit and refuses to take down the blog, he could face up to 120 days in jail.

The board’s director says Cooksey has a First Amendment right to blog about his diet, but he can’t encourage others to adopt it unless the state has certified him as a dietitian or nutritionist.

The seminar

Jan. 12, Cooksey attended a nutrition seminar at a church in Charlotte. The speaker was the director of diabetes services for a local hospital.

“She was giving all the wrong information, just like everyone always does — carbs are OK to eat, we must eat carbs to live, promoting low-fat, etc.,” Cooksey said. “So I spoke up.”

After the meeting he handed out a couple of business cards pointing people to his website. http://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2011/03/04/is...

Three days later, he got a call from the director of the nutrition board.

“Basically, she told me I could not give out nutritional advice without a license,” Cooksey said.

He said she also told him that his website was being investigated and gave him some suggestions about how to bring it into compliance.

If he does not go along, the board could file an injunction and “essentially shut the website down,” Cooksey said.

The law

Charla Burill, the board’s director, told Carolina Journal she could not discuss the details of Cooksey’s case because his website is still under investigation, but agreed to talk about the law in the hypothetical.

It’s not necessarily against the law to give your sister or your friend nutritional advice, she said. And it’s not necessarily against the law to use a blog to tell people what they should eat.

Where it crosses the line, Burill said, is when a blogger “advertises himself as an expert” and “takes information from someone such that he’s performing some sort of assessment and then giving it back with some sort of plan or diet.”

Cooksey posted a link (6.3 MB PDF download) to the board’s review of his website. The document shows several Web pages the board took issue with, including a question-and-answer page, which the director had marked in red ink noting the places he was “assessing and counseling” readers of his blog.

“If people are writing you with diabetic specific questions and you are responding, you are no longer just providing information — you are counseling,” she wrote. “You need a license to provide this service."

The board also found fault with a page titled “My Meal Plan,” where Cooksey details what he eats daily.

In red, Burril writes, “It is acceptable to provide just this information [his meal plan], but when you start recommending it directly to people you speak to or who write you, you are now providing diabetic counseling, which requires a license.”

The board also directed Cooksey to remove a link offering one-on-one support, a personal-training type of service he offered for a small fee.

Cooksey posts the following disclaimer at the bottom of every page on his website:

“I am not a doctor, dietitian, nor nutritionist … in fact I have no medical training of any kind.”

In fact, he brags about his lack of formal training throughout his blog.

“It’s so simple,” he told CJ. “I cut carbs, I reduced my drugs and insulin until I didn’t need them at all. If I can figure that out, why in the hell can’t all these other people [in the medical field]?”

Burill said the disclaimer may not protect a nutrition blogger from the law.

“If I’ve given you reason to not worry that I don’t have a license because I have all these other reasons I’m an expert, you could still harm the public,” she said. “At least you’re not trying to mislead the public, but you’re trying to get the public to trust you.”

It’s a fine line between what’s legal and what’s not when it comes to talking about nutrition.

“Anyone can talk about anything they want,” Burill said. “That’s a First Amendment right, so to speak.”

For example, a person could write a blog advocating vegetarianism, she said.

“Now if you advertised that you’d taken classes in nutrition, you’ve worked at [the federal government’s Food and Nutrition Service] for three years, and you say ‘I believe everyone should be a vegetarian, and I’m here to help you if you want to change your diet’ [that could be crossing the line],” Burill said.

“A vegetarian diet would be a little bit harder [to prosecute] because a vegetarian is not really like a medical diet.”

Burill said if Cooksey refuses to come into compliance with the law, the board could file for an injunction.

Free speech

Declan McCullagh, a CBSNews.com correspondent who writes about online free speech, says the board probably is violating Cooksey’s First Amendment rights.

“The First Amendment says state and federal governments ‘shall make no law’ abridging freedom of speech,” McCullagh said. “It doesn't say ‘except for what annoys the North Carolina Board of Dietetics and Nutrition.’”

McCullagh pointed to a sentence in Cooksey’s blog the board didn’t approve of: “I do suggest that your friend eat as I do and exercise the best they can.”

“If that language appeared in a book or a magazine article, do you think the board would complain?” McCullagh asked. “How about if someone said that to a friend over dinner at a restaurant? Of course not. But because it's on the Web, they seem to think that the First Amendment no longer applies.”

McCullagh said the board may be on more solid ground in its complaint about the telephone support packages Cooksey offers. “But … if customers are paying $97 or $149 or $197 a month to have someone listen, that sounds a lot like life coaching, which doesn't require a license.”

“In general, I think that as long as someone is very clear that they're not a licensed dietician, state officials can probably find better uses of their time,” he said.

Cooksey said the board both has violated his freedom of speech and done a disservice to the people of North Carolina. He said all he’s trying to do with his blog is provide an alternative to the nutritional advice pushed by mainstream sources on what they say people should be eating.

Cooksey said he’s seeking legal assistance in case the state decides to take further action against him.

Sara Burrows is an associate editor of Carolina Journal.

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99 replies

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-07-19 07:22:12 -0500 Report

Found this today in my Yahoo inbox: http://www.naturalnews.com/036520_American_Di...

According to this article the Cooksey incident may be only the tip of the iceberg.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-07-19 17:05:14 -0500 Report

Sigh...this is bad. I hate to demonize that whom we should be supporting, or better who should be supporting us. The ADA needs a reality check. If they would get on board with some of these wonderful people and sites, they would be far stronger than they can even pretend to be now. This is sad, indeed.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-07-19 08:31:35 -0500 Report

Well, can't say i didn't see it coming. A quote from my May 22 response:
"Steve Cooksey is doing good work, but i just think he needs to be careful. If the ADA should find a case here, it will open up a whole new precedent which could screw up things for all of us here, well meaning as he is. We may not only start to be monitored, but may be prevented from even recommending books."

pixsidust
pixsidust 2012-05-27 13:11:40 -0500 Report

Not stating this to be pure fact. I googled this and found where someone said he got into trouble because he started charging for services. Thats where the license came in. I think he then refrained from doing so and his site is what it is. He keeps blogging about it though with no mention of the why. We know how the media can give a one sided approach to get our ire up for sensationalism. I understand if he"was"charging money if not of course we need free speech

MoeGig
MoeGig 2012-05-25 20:08:23 -0500 Report

Look, this guy is absolutely correct. Those of us who have avoided complications all these years know it. This is simply a version of the old Atkins diet that is the only really effective, sustainable diet (goal) for all diabetics…ok, South Beach as well…you just have to be Low Carb.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-25 20:28:45 -0500 Report

I agree also, Cutting those carbs way down, was how I corrected a very high BG and A1c. I may look up this diet for some low carb cooking tips.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-05-23 18:32:19 -0500 Report

No matter what you do, sooner or later the government is going to get involved. If this woman was giving out incorrect information, the hospital should be contacted.

Jeanette Terry
Jeanette TerryPA 2012-05-23 15:28:32 -0500 Report

Just to clarify for anyone that was concerned about anything that they have posted here on Diabetic Connect, We are a patient support site in which we share information with each other about what works for us.

However, we do need everyone to be careful about giving "medical advice." As long as everyone understands that we are not here to provide medical advice, we are protected.

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-23 16:03:46 -0500 Report

Thanks for chiming in; our personal liability is a huge issue. And I have a question: where does this leave the salespeople who come here and tout the newest snake-oil as a cure ?

DeanaG
DeanaG 2012-05-22 21:26:03 -0500 Report

Maybe he could add a disclaimer similar to the one on dLife's website.
"Disclaimer
dLife's Daily Living columnists are not all medical experts, but everyday people living with diabetes and sharing their personal experiences. While their method of diabetes management may work for them, everyone is different. Please consult with your diabetes care team to find out what will work best for you."
Just a thought. ;-)

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-05-23 07:43:23 -0500 Report

He does have a disclaimer on his site. Actually it is all over. I don't know if it is because of what is going on or if he had them before.

Here is my disclaimer:
Without Prejudice All Rights Reserved UCC1-308
Sovereign Confidentiality Notice:
I am not an attorney, medical professional or financial adviser and all the exchanges contained in this email are for personal use only. This private email message, including any attachment[s] is limited to the sole use of the intended recipient[s] and may contain Privileged and/or Confidential Information. Any and All Political, Private or Public Entities, Federal, State, or Local Corporate Government[s] , et. al.,and/or Third Party[ies] working in collusion by collecting and/or monitoring My email[s] and collecting these communications Without my Exclusive Permission are Barred from Any and All Unauthorized Review,Use, Disclosure or Distribution. With Explicit Reservation of All My Rights, Without Prejudice and Without Recourse to Me, Any omission does not constitute a waiver of any and/or ALL Intellectual Property Rights& Reserved Rights It is my hope that the things within this email are a blessing unto every reader without exception, for I desire peaceful co-existence with ALL!

That about covers everything! LOL

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-22 10:27:12 -0500 Report

I have followed this since it started, being quite literally in my back yard and all. I believe in what Cooksey is doing (conspiracy theories aside), and like many of us here, disseminating information that works for him is a great help to many in need. I myself follow a similar diet plan. Information being passed out by the ADA, and other governing agencies is quite simply out of date and needs to be revised to reflect today’s lifestyle.
You know what I’m going to say next right? You feel it coming.
BUT.
I also have a professional license. Something that’s taken me 9 years to achieve and it’s taken that long for a reason. It’s because the governing board that allows me to put letters behind my name wants to be thoroughly certain, that when I practice my craft, I do so to a certain standard, and with enough knowledge that in doing so I’m not potentially injuring the public. That said, if I follow the rules of my professional license, they will back me (and a potential injured party) should something I do not work out. It’s a liability safety net.
No one has studied the long term effects of the Paleo diet, and some “experts” have even offered it’s only a fad. Cooksey is offering diet advice without knowing an individuals’ medical background. Is his advice harmless? Probably. Would he be just as credible with a license? Yes, in fact even more so I think.
A degree/license in dietetics/nutrition isn’t expensive. A lot of talented people can do my job (many better), but the difference is liability (well that and I’ve had years of required fieldwork to prove I’m capable). Cooksey is dancing on that fine line between just good advice and “medical” advice. In today’s litigious society, I think he’d be best served by just getting the license, because he’s just ripe for the picking by any nut job that may claim his advice has caused them harm.

Controlled
Controlled 2012-05-22 22:06:57 -0500 Report

What I find especially interesting about your posts is that it demonstrates that even with a significant amount of knowledge, as it appears that you possess, one still could battle BG, perhaps need medication and potentially develop complications.

Your posts are well written and the points well taken. It's interesting to note that even with the "keys to the kingdom", this condition can be unpredictable.

Thank you for the comments, it gave me a lot to think about.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-23 09:17:49 -0500 Report

Well thank you! I think we have a very elite and educated group here, and I sometimes find I need to step out and realise that there are so many who aren't as educated, and as such vulnerable through no fault of their own.
It does scare me to think that even though what I'm doing for me seems to work, it may not be the best thing long term. Thankfully though, as part of that elite and educated group, I know someone here will pick up on any of those little details I'm sure to miss.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-05-22 14:10:57 -0500 Report

I agree. To call yourself an expert, you do need the training that allows you to see the larger picture. He should not say he is, though I didn't see in his site where he said he was. But it is a very fine line. I have a disclaimer in my signature on my everyday emails that covers medical, financial and legal advice as being my opinion and not advice. We live in an over regulated world. However, without some of them we have no recourse if "expert" advice proves to be very wrong.

Honestly, we all need to research and read and ask a LOT of questions when people are sharing ideas and methods. Taking anyone's word for things is foolish in my book, no matter how many letters come after their name. But I am more inclined to trust those who have had the training over those who just spout what some one told them.

This guy is living what he shares, and that is a huge factor for me. Most doctors or other experts rarely live what they treat. Thank goodness, or they would be one hot mess! LOL. However, it bugs me a lot when they disregard those of us who live it, show it's results and still want to do things the old way. That is why I say we have to be our own advocates and we have to take responsibility for our own lives. Use the tools around us to get to the goal we desire. But ultimately, it is generally up to us.

Kalisiin
Kalisiin 2015-08-04 16:57:25 -0500 Report

And yet the NC Board wants to basically shut down and take away those tools and sources of information.

It's as if they actually WANT us to be sick and in need t expensive drugs. Like we aren't people to them…only a revenue stream.

I ain't playing that game.

Kalisiin
Kalisiin 2015-08-04 16:57:20 -0500 Report

And yet the NC Board wants to basically shut down and take away those tools and sources of information.

It's as if they actually WANT us to be sick and in need t expensive drugs. Like we aren't people to them…only a revenue stream.

I ain't playing that game.

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-22 10:51:59 -0500 Report

Thanks for the insight Nick! I never knew this was your profession and may I ask how do you walk the line between giving the dietary advice you were taught to give and knowing you yourself eat quite differently from it?
Do you know or have an opinion if DC members are breaking this same law that Cooksey is?

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-22 11:28:02 -0500 Report

Sorry for any confusion, but no this isn't my profession (any more). I had worked however in food and nutrition for over 18 years, and with many dieticians/nutritionists.
I have a dim view of the current state of dietetics and nutrition as its being presented, this is one of the reasons I changed careers. In my new career however, the same applies – if I miss a seemingly insignificant detail, people can die.
Where I think the lines get crossed, is Cooksey (and some of us here as well potentially) is that we hold no culpability in what we offer. People are free to choose bits and pieces of what is offered without knowledge of a full program. There are people out there that have no knowledge of their individual medical history, or want just a quick fix diet. If I say to someone “follow a low carb/high protein diet” without offering amounts based on their individual needs, or what they believe to be “high protein”, that can be dangerous. Most of us here that are in tune with our diets know that too much protein (along with lowering carbs) can increase the risk of ketosis, higher cholesterol, Osteoporosis and kidney stones, and certain cancers. By offering this advice to someone without knowing if they are already sensitive, or have issues already developing in these areas, I think maybe not short term, but long term could be harmful. We don’t know how far someone may take this advice, nor do we monitor their progress. Should something develop as a result, we can always just throw up our hands and say “never said I was a professional” which really doesn’t help the one with an illness or condition we may have caused.
Truth is, I’m even starting to have second thoughts about my own choices. Through my diet, my labs and numbers have been good. Scary good for someone like me. Lately my morning numbers have been low – too low for my liking. Could be the diet, could be the condition progressing, I just don’t know. This is why if I give out any diet tips, I try to make sure they’re generic enough (like the ADA).

I don't know that we are breaking any laws, but it is a thin line. You may be a perfectly good roofer, but if you lack the information on building codes that states you need 12 nails per panel instead of the 8 you put in, and that panel sails through your neighbor's bedroom window during a storm…well.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-22 18:59:28 -0500 Report

Well, not to belabor the point, but this is why I don't share my personal diet verbatim the way i follow it. If someone asks "how do I lose weight?" my diet may be perfectly fine for a middle-age male over 250 pounds. However, if I just blindly answered that with my diet and was unknowingly responding to a young T1 female recently diagnosed who wasn't as educated as you, they'd be hypo in the first week. Not sure I could live with that. Worse off what if she were just asking for vanity's sake and only thought she needed to lose weight, or even worse still was pregnant.
Steve Cooksey is doing good work, but i just think he needs to be careful. If the ADA should find a case here, it will open up a whole new precedent which could screw up things for all of us here, well meaning as he is. We may not only start to be monitored, but may be prevented from even recommending books.

Thanks for the interesting discussion - gotta go, Glee is on.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-22 21:51:44 -0500 Report

Are we men, or are we mice? Freedom of speech, if we allow them to continuely supress our thoughts and words, they win. We will always be able to communicate, anyone have a short wave radio?? I have the antena in my back yard. LOL

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-23 07:57:05 -0500 Report

Yeah, we might just have to go underground. I'd hate for that to happen, because I think we are doing some good here. It would be a shame for something to get shut down over a freedom of speech issue when the real issue is helping people.

Kalisiin
Kalisiin 2015-08-04 17:00:59 -0500 Report

Exactly. And THEY have no interest in helping people, in my opinion. they have an interest in creating revenue streams out of us. they want us well enough to live, but not without complications…and they want us dependent on their expensive drugs for life.

locarbarbie
locarbarbie 2012-05-22 09:10:51 -0500 Report

Thanks Dietcherry for posting this. Yes, this is a frightening glimpse at our first ammendment rights being trampled…but it seems that it is opening people's eyes as to what is going on.
The main issue is…Why are diabetics being lied to and given wishy washy dietary instructions that are harmful to diabetics? Why must so many diabetics covertly/secretly research and follow a real low carb, healthy fat, whole food diet plan instead of blindly following the ADA's antiquated recommendations? Yes, the ada is in bed with big pharma…big time. I am not against the use of medicine when it is necessary and indicated. But prescribing a statin just because it is protocol for ALL diabetics? That is BS, plain and simple. So many of these meds that are prescribed are more harmful than beneficial. Whenever I see my PA, I rattle off a list of the vitamins and supplements I take that I have had to research and prescribe for myself. Her response…Vit D3, well that's good, so many people are deficient…Huh? Then why the HELL don't you recommend it to your patients in the first place?
And it is not about not being given the information because they believe most diabetics would be non-compliant. How can anyone be non-compliant when they are NOT being given the information in the first place!!
This is not just a matter of…what works for some may not work for everyone. To a certain extent that may be true, such as I may be able to eat a small portion of watermelon without a bs spike and maybe you can not eat watermelon without shooting thru the roof. But the fact that the ADA likes to brag that there is nothing a diabetic can't eat is nothing short of criminal.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-22 21:48:11 -0500 Report

Right on Barb, I knew after 1 vist to the ADA that they were crazy people. When I saw all the ads for meds, that clinched it for me. You can't win a flat screen TV when you rec. Vit. D3. Unless of coarse you cut a deal with the vitamin Co. We will succeed and we will speak out. There are too many of us, thanks to big food corps that helped build us millions strong. They are scared of the knowledge people are getting and so they should. Food Inc. video was an amazing eye opener. We are here for a reason. We have this disease for a reason, perhaps only to help stop it for future generations.
Sandra

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-22 11:21:56 -0500 Report

We are def on the same page with everything you said! Your reference to the use of statins caught my eye and I wanted to share this:

"In men with normal cholesterol levels, the risk of death for those between ages 45 and 65 over the course of the next 5 years is only a fraction of 1 percent lower than it is for men with high serum cholesterol in the same category.

The most thorough study to date had some 3000 men with "high" cholesterol levels take a statin every day for 5 years, while 3000 similar men took a placebo. When all was said and done, there was no difference in cardiovascular deaths between the 2 groups.

Statins do reduce the risk of heart attack in those who have a strong family history of young family members having heart attacks—but thats a small percentage of the population.

You could argue, looking at the data, that theyre helpful to those who have already had 1 heart attack. But for everyone else, the possible advantage is marginally and clinically insignificant."

My Mom shared this with me from her most recent issue of AARP Magazine. It didnt indicate any of the health issues these men may have so I dont want to suggest that because statins werent particularly beneficial to these men, that they wouldnt help those with health issues, such as D. I do think the study speaks for itself, however.

There are natural ways to lower cholesterol levels. A year ago, my tri level was at 122; I made dietary changes and that level has decreased to 49 !!!

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-21 22:39:49 -0500 Report

I decided to just print it out here instead but youll need to click the link to see the amount of the donations:
19 million paid to ADA by BigPharma?

By Steve Cooksey, on February 8th, 2011

This post will be discussing the “contributions” BigPharma paid the American Diabetes Association… $19 million in 2008. That’s the last year I can find the data.

I talk about this periodically…. but I’ve never done a post showing the actual numbers. New “friends” may not be aware of this… if not YOU SHOULD BE SHOCKED.

This MUST violate some law… or at least ethical practice. Read this post and tell me you do NOT agree.

Keep in mind:

1) The American Diabetes Ass. (ADA) supports a meal plan that REQUIRES it’s diabetic adherents to take increasing amounts of drugs … and insulin.

2) PepsiCo, Big Pharma, Monsanto and The Sugar Lobby all pay and raise money for the American Ass. Of Diabetes Educators (AADE). The AADE is the national organization for Certified Diabetes Educators…. which also promotes the same high carb, drug inducing meal plan.

So the next time you are eating a high carb meal from one of those high carb “diabetic friendly” cookbooks…. and eating the meal requires you to take a Diabetic Drug … or a statin or a Hypertension drug etc….

Just remember this… the company probably could charge you less if they weren’t “donating” money to the ADA and the AADE.

So you’re being charged higher prices so the drug companies (BigPharma) can afford to payoff the ADA & AADE.

Summary: the ADA & AADE is rewarded for pushing a high carb meal plan because the meal plan:

1) Creates more diabetics.

2) Requires existing diabetics to take more drugs.

Everyone including the medical ‘industry’ makes out like bandits…. literally.

Everyone except diabetics and those who suffer from inflammatory diseases.

Almost forgot, here are the Drug Companies and how much they ‘gave’ to American Diabetes Association in 2008.

Here is the link to the actual page on the ADA website… if you do not believe me. :)

http://www.diabetes.org/assets/pdfs/2008-reve...

Irish1951
Irish1951 2012-05-22 09:06:56 -0500 Report

There is an old adage that says when you want to know what is really going on - follow the money. In this case the results seems fairly obvious.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-05-22 05:19:09 -0500 Report

You tell em Dietcherry. To me here you're "preaching to the choir" and I agree with you!

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-22 09:48:11 -0500 Report

This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. Now I want to get off meds too, but thats impossible being a T1.
I did give up carbs last year, mostly to get gluten out of my diet, and Im never going back !!! But the best news about that? I was able to cut my daily insulin dosage IN HALF so Im giving less money to Pharma :)

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-22 21:39:42 -0500 Report

You bet, I have been sick over this since I started reserching over 2 years ago. It was Suzie Cohen who sparked my interest. I have recently read Wheatbelly book, and I have to tell you that , Type 1 diabetes could possibly be eliminated. What a shame to put little children and young adults through this. Simple solution cut the GMO wheat. There is wheat in baby formula. Can you believe it. almost half of all infants have the genes that predestine them to type 1 if they are exposed to this wheat. I could scream. Why, oh, why would be they try to hind this information. After all aren't there enough type 2's to go around? They are causing this epidemic. Cutting insulin in half, Good for you, I wish all type 1's could have this information. Another interesting piece of news is we should be eating grassfed beef vs corn fed. Another GMO item. The bible says, "My people perish for lack of knowledge", how true, I am so happy there are people who care enough to spread good news.
Sleep tight dietcherry.
Sandra

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-23 22:19:21 -0500 Report

Now that is a loaded question. Genetics play a big part in how our bodies react to almost everything we eat or come in contact with as far as toxins. I cannot honestly answer that question, however if you have information that an infant could possibly contract type 1 if they are exposed to a product like wheat too early in life, what would you do as a parent? If you have that information, I would not expose my child to that product untl later in their life. The knowledge is out there, but oh, my, do they ever try to bury it. Read the book Wheatbelly, it is an eye opener. Lots of really good info gathered from research that was gathered years ago. Don't stress too much over it. Just do all you can to keep yourself healthy with your diabetes. Wheat is something I have almost completly eliminated in my diet.
Best to you
Sandra

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-23 22:30:23 -0500 Report

You will be glad you did. This is a great read, and you will want to reference it allot. Read the book before you change anything do to you being type 1. As people become healthier, they usually require less medication, however you must as you problably do test, test, test. The recipes alone are really good. She has so many great tips from eyes to feet care. I love her and wish I could someday meet her. Please try the Carrot cake, it is yum. I make it in muffin pans so I don't overdo a serving. Almond flour can be purchase for less from Honeyville.com, the shipping is always under five dollars. I have chpped in with two friends and can get 8lbs for about 34.oo including shipping. Check out the pancakes made with almond flour. You can google that recipe, if you can't find it, drop me a line.
Betting go to beg, gotta go to work, and boy is it late.
Sandra

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-05-22 17:48:21 -0500 Report

congrats on cutting your dosage of insulin in half, as long as you are not harming yourself!

I have cut back or eliminated many meds, and am in the process of learning which ones I really need. Gotta go to my PCP and get a full blood workup and start from there as to what meds are absolutely necessary and only use those. I want to use the bare minimum of meds I need to have good health.

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-23 10:16:10 -0500 Report

Thanks James. No not harming myself at all, in fact I havent had a hypo seizure since January (YAY!) and tho I still have hypo unawareness I have so far been able to counteract dropping too low.

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-23 14:21:02 -0500 Report

James my quality of life is much improved because of it; I wish you well in finding what works for you and dumping the rest !!!

Controlled
Controlled 2012-05-21 19:33:19 -0500 Report

Interesting post (as always)!
The issues are obvious: constituionally protected speech v. practicing medicine without a license. I have to admit, I really admire this person's success in his own healthcare. It is inspiring and at it's core, I believe this is all he is interested in imparting to others; however, I have to admit that when we make axiomatic statements that all others will received the same level of success based on what amounts to his recommendations, it complicates the issue. I do understand the argument that some of his comments are overreaching.

My own personal opinion is that we have to take responsibility for our own care. It's important to follow the advice of a healthcare provider that you trust. If you don't trust the medical advice that you are receiving; get a new provider. Having said that, your doctor is not going to sit in the wheelchair that you may need or be buried in the coffin that you are placed in should you receive poor advice.

I suspect this issue will disappear once he agrees to modestly edit his blog. His success in his personal health is really inspiring. It will be an interesting issue to follow.

red flower lady
red flower lady 2012-05-21 20:33:21 -0500 Report

It doesn't sound like he want to make the changes though and feels he is in the right?

Kalisiin
Kalisiin 2015-08-04 18:49:25 -0500 Report

He IS in the right!! The ADA and the AADE and all the rest of them don't give a DAMN about us…except for how much money they can make off our condition! We suffer, they profit…and they profit more by increasing our suffering!

He has clearly stated he has zero medical training. When I think of all the lies we have been told for YEARS in the interest of padding someone's pockets, it makes me want to SCREAM.

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-21 20:15:47 -0500 Report

Thanks for your input!You made excellent points, especially about finding a healthcare provider you trust has your back. I think we have more than a few members who dont feel they are getting the attention, knowledge, and follow-up that they need and are forced to seek out information elsewhere, such as Steves blog!

red flower lady
red flower lady 2012-05-21 20:29:37 -0500 Report

So true, but then they should take control and change drs and go in with a list of questions/goals/concerns and ask if the dr is willing to take the time to work with them. We must be active in our own care! Also, it is important to note that some drs when seeing a pattern with the patient,(knowing they are not following the plan) will just do the basic and get them out. It is very frustrating for a dr to see a patient getting worse because they don't take enough responsibility for their health.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-21 21:35:30 -0500 Report

I will just write letters if we are in danger of needing a license to give advice on what works for diabetes on a person to person basis. Welcome to Home of the brave and land of the free!!

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-21 23:10:33 -0500 Report

Hes furthering the cause of getting off the meds and managing T2 with diet and exercise, just as you do Sandra. Im glad there are people like you two who have that true desire to help others with D :)

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-22 21:08:52 -0500 Report

God Help me, I wish I could do more. Thanks for the positive feedbackd. Did you check out the recipe I sent yesterday on my discussion "here we go again"? You will love this one, healthy, very little carbs, no sugar, and heart healthy. I altered this recipe to sute myselft and it turned out great.
Have a good one
Sandra

red flower lady
red flower lady 2012-05-21 16:06:17 -0500 Report

Ok, I can see their point as he does go WAY beyond posting what he does and goes into acting as an expert because what he did worked for him. But, I see he want's to help others and as long as he isn't charging for anything, which he is, and isn't trying to be preceived as a professional it would be up to us to decide to follow or not.

Can he maybe go on his blog and put up a heading to keep from getting in trouble?
Like "This is my personal journey and it worked?" Also post he is not a professional and take off the link he charges for along with the questionaire as well as the direct "eat as I do" stements, I would think he should be ok?

It makes one think about how we post on this site as there are some that do say to eat their way and lists what to eat and what to avoid specifically and are adament about it. I guess that would be "acting as a professional?" It makes one wonder what to say:(

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-21 17:32:05 -0500 Report

The whole thing is a bit scary. We could potentially be treading on the same ground here at DC and the same implications.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-05-22 07:30:36 -0500 Report

When I read your post, that was the first thing that popped into my head. We have experts and no one in our discussions claims to be, unless they are. So we are good, but it is a bit frightening. It sure will make me choose my words more carefully.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-05-21 16:28:24 -0500 Report

I have a discussion entitled my meal plan ( see it here ~ http://www.diabeticconnect.com/discussions/14... ) where I give recommendations for how one can perhaps manage one's diabetes better. I also have stated that I am not a medical or dietary professional. But when I saw that news at first a couple weeks ago I found the possibility quite chilling, because this website crosses into many states and countries and who knows what laws I may be breaking by telling others about my plan. It is very sad.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-22 21:13:47 -0500 Report

Why don't we call this the big diabetes rumor mill? What can anyone do about spreading rumors? Politians do it all the time, and they seem to get away with it just fine. Don't worry, the truth will always come out and people who talk to people will still be able to find good information, after all you can try anything if you want to. So far we don't need a license to talk, so far that is!! So maybe when we rec. something that could work well for someone, we should say, " So rumor has it" LOL
Sandra

red flower lady
red flower lady 2012-05-21 20:34:26 -0500 Report

It is scarry isn't it.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-05-22 05:24:29 -0500 Report

it most certainly is. I haven't kept track of how many folks to whom I have sent my meal plan but I know it is a lot of folks here on DC.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-22 14:06:53 -0500 Report

And that right there is the scary part. The words “I recommend” usually are seen as “giving advice”, and may legally be the one tripping stone Cooksey (or any one of us) stumble over. However, “this is what worked for me” is only “presenting information”, but adding “it will work for you” makes it a possibly baseless claim (like the troubles Dr. Mercola is currently facing). I do like what Cooksey is doing, but I sure hope it blows over. If not, one slick lawyer could mean we could be censored here.

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-22 14:57:23 -0500 Report

Dr. Mercola is an actual Dr., right? How is he in trouble, if you dont mind me asking. If my Dr. tells me to take insulin, even if he doesnt say it will work for me, isnt it implied?

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-22 15:12:04 -0500 Report

Mercola is a graduate of the Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine, so he is an O.M. I won’t speculate on what qualifies one as a real “doctor”.
The FDA is after him now for false claims on some of his products. Jigsaw originally posted this:
http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/mercola.html
If your doctor tells you to take insulin, he’s doing so based on knowledge and proof that it works (he has the field experience and data to prove it).
Mercola does not have such evidence behind some of his products, much like I don’t have any evidence that my diet will work for another T2 long term, or doesn’t have harmful side effects.

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-23 09:39:06 -0500 Report

Thanks for the link—-I hadnt heard about any of that. I get an ad email from his site every day touting his latest and greatest product!

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-23 11:27:09 -0500 Report

The FDA went after "Dr." Bronner back in the 70's and lost, so this is nothing new. Funny thing is all the publicity got me hooked on his soaps. I use the liquid peppermint, and even at half strength it leaves me tingly and really clean (OK maybe TMI there). Plus you can use it for everything from laundry to brushing your teeth (great for camping). You might like the rose or lavender.
http://www.drbronner.com/DBMS/LS.htm

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