Here we go again!!!

suziesgirl
By suziesgirl Latest Reply 2012-06-05 17:28:39 -0500
Started 2012-05-19 21:00:42 -0500

The infamous ADA has put new info out there for type 2 diabetics. They should be put on Metformin to control this disease. I can't but wonder why they aren't helping to educate doctors on how to help people change their eating habits rather than take a medication if possible. Don't care if I get attacked. I did it without meds from the beginning and I know others can do it too. Of coarse it takes dedication and dicipline, but it can be done. And of coarse tack on the statin drugs to get that Cholestrol down. Bull, Bull, Bull, eat the right foods, quit eating the trash thats being pushed on the TV and guess what. You lose weight, Your BG/and A1C goes down and most times everything else including Cholestrol and Tryglycerides. Sure it won't happen for everyone one unless of coarse they give it a try before Metformin. I see they have lowered the numbers for a good A1C. Guess what, that means meds right away, hurray for the doctors and Pharms. I sure would like to hear more from people who are under control without meds, how they did it. I know there are a few people on this site who do very well, I sure would like to see more.
Sandra


176 replies

MoeGig
MoeGig 2012-05-26 11:22:24 -0500 Report

If you have the discipline to eat the right foods, then you're thesis is correct. If you don't have the discipline to do that, then, I don't think it matters that much what else you do…because you're basically doomed. Diabetes is the only disease I can think of that the quality of your life is 90% up to you. Any other disease (cancer, ms, etc), you can't alter the outcome all that much. The outcome of your condition is in god's hands…or fate's if your not religious. Discipline is ultimately the most important thing.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-29 20:09:36 -0500 Report

The outcome of my disease is definately in God's hands, He has given me the ability to search for knowledge and led me to some pretty good info. He has allowed me to come in contact with many people who believe in themselves and others who have achieved treatment without drugs and for some reduced drug intake. I am not a religious person. I am a child of God, however I practice controlling my disease religiously. I feel the information and guidance He has set before me is to be shared. God never makes me drive to McDonalds, or eat a half a gallon of ice cream. That is my choice. You are right about the quality of life, but I think it is 100% up to me. Food unfortunatley is something we cannot live without, however the choices of food is our decision. We should all if we believe ask God to help us everyday to deal with the stresses and decisions we make with this affliction. Man has had more to do with this disease than God. He did not make us to be sick, but whole. Many have been tricked into stinking thinking. All you have to do is read the ingrediants on a packaged food marked HEALTHY. It is quite a joke. It is not only foods that are afflicting the people of this world. We can fight back and we are, everyday, people reaching out to people on this site. God Bless everyone on this site
Sandra

tabby9146
tabby9146 2012-05-25 19:01:06 -0500 Report

that is what my doc did in the beginning put me right on Metformin and told me to take classes, I realize not everyone can ,but you are right, they should not automatically put 'everyone' on them to start, watch them for a while and educate them on what to eat and what not to eat. Some need the meds from the beginning and some unfortunately, can never get off them, but they need to give those who are diagnosed early especially, a chance first.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-29 19:56:20 -0500 Report

Tabby, thanks for your reply. I really wish they would focus more on a cure through proper eating and exercise also. Unfortunately the drugs companies would not profit from this method of treating a disease. They are alway's up in arms when a new natural treatment comes out or people come out of the darkness and realize a simple thing like not eating high fructose corn syrup would improve BG. Have ya seen the commercials for HFCS, yes, what a joke, "Your body processes it just like any other sugar" Think they are getting a little antsey?? There are so many sudies on diabetes and what does work to reduce BG. We get so busy living our lives we forget there is an enemy out there. When people believe that fast foods, processed foods and soda's are just a fast track to death, then abolishing this disease will never happen for so many. There are lots of elements that help put us where we are. One day at a time and some knowledge here and there is what we hope for. We are all doing something positive about this disease, and the proof is on this website. We are not stupid, many of us are grossley missinformed. Taking medis is not the end of the world if it keeps an individual from losing his life, however I think it goes beyond that. I believe when diagnosed we should at least be given an opportunity to change the outcome with just a little education. You are right some people can never get off of meds, like type 1, however many, many type 2's can, but it takes alot of dicipline. I have worked this for almost 3 years, it is not easy, but it works, at least for me it did.
Have a good evening (a great book to read is Diabetes without Drugs by Suzie Cohen.
Sandra

tabby9146
tabby9146 2012-05-30 11:17:29 -0500 Report

it just makes me sick, the FDA and what all they are allowing! when other countries have banned things they haven't over here. It's extremely sad when there are GM corn, hormones and things in the meat and milk, pesticides on the produce, it's just awful. I worry some every time I eat some fresh produce, but I still do, anyway it is hard to find organic near me and sometimes what they call organic, isn't really truly safe, sometimes yes sometimes no, how are we to know? I"ve been reading more and more articles about this kind of thing. Too many worried more about money than the health of the American people.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-30 21:58:42 -0500 Report

I am so proud of so many people these days. Reading, listening, learning and sharing. People are starting to wake up to all the hype out there. We are getting smarter and they are slowly starting to pay attention. All the people who work for these companies are not evil. They are working people just like many of us, however, we don't want to drink the Kool-Aid anymore. LOL wouldn' touch that with a ten foot pole. We will make it through this, and we will never stop searching for good alternatives. Organic is harder to find than the traditional grocery store items, and more expensive. I do what I can and dear God, pray over the food we eat. I started to google organic local farms in my area of Fl, and I found many places, much to my surprise. The more we buy it, the cheaper it becomes. It will be and in some areas in big demand. Even Wal-Mart is trying to give us what we want. Who knew?? free range chickens without antibiotics and harmones, yea!!!. Funny, when you start eating this way you don't really require as much food as you ate before. Those carbs are like heroin, they keep you coming back for more and more. Everyone should try and cut out as much wheat and gluetin as possible. Whole wheat is the big hype on the market these days, and most of us bought it hook, line and sinker. If they had left it alone, we wouldn't have to worry about eating it, but no, they had to redevelope it in a lab and super charge it. GMO genically modified organism, and they never tested it on one human specimen. Wheat will spike blood sugar faster than a teas. of white table sugar. Keep reading, and asking for better products in the stores you shop. If enough of us ask for change, they will make it, because they want to make the money.
Proud, proud, proud of you all
Sandra

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-30 11:50:37 -0500 Report

What's even more unfortunate is how our western culture and habits are infecting other countries. We were fortunate enough to visit an island in the southern caribbean. Subway and McDonalds restaraunts popping up all over the place, but still the best tasting and healthiest foods were found at dirty hole in the wall bars, street vendors, and tiny little food shops crammed in between buildings. Places that wouldn't even be allowed to stay open here in the US.

Degibu
Degibu 2012-05-24 08:28:11 -0500 Report

Couldn't agree more. BUT, while I don't eat ANY garbage, don't EVER eat sugar, eat very, very, very little carbs, I do still need the help of meds to keep my levels around 100 - 110. Metformin? NO FOR ME! WOW! Took it once, thought I was going to die! I also have colitis, so it wrecked havoc on my stomach. I now take Janumet XR, which is a combo of Januvia and Metformin, but time released an so far, so good, no stomach problems. Thank GOD for my doctor who gets me samples of the pills, because I don't know how ANYONE can afford it! I have no insurance, much less RX coverage and a one month supply (30 pills) costs…wait for it…$579.00!! Stinking pharmaceutical companies. Of course they want people to do nothing but take pills, at those prices, what greedy corp wouldn't want them to.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-24 20:01:43 -0500 Report

I have to tell you that Aloe vera Juice really helped to to keep my BG down. My husband is using it every day and he never has acid reflux or heartburn anymore. Made a believer out of him. NO more Previcid. I buy Georges at my health food store. You may want to try it. Cutting out wheat would probaly help also. Just an idea. Shame about those Pharm. companies, but ya know, what goes around comes around. If we keep searching for ways to help heal our bodies naturally and with the right foods we can put a big hurt on them all. I know, I haven't given them a dime of my money for their drugs. Diabetes without drugs is a really good read. Lots, and lots of great diabetes information.
Have a great day
Sandra

Degibu
Degibu 2012-05-29 08:35:58 -0500 Report

Aloe juice! WOW! I used to drink that for my colitis and it worked great keeping that under control. Miracle cure? *lol* I don't eat wheat at all. IF I eat any type of bread, it's once in a while, and then it's Multi-Grain Sandwich Thins. Pasta is a thing of the past, MAYBE twice a year, but that's it. You have to remember, while trying to "cure" you diabetes without drugs is all fine and good, keep in mind exactly WHAT Diabetes is. Type II is when your body, for whatever reason doesn't process the insulin that your body produces. With Type I, your body doesn't produce insulin, or not enough of it. It's all fine to say, "control your disease without paying $$$$ to pharma", but that does NOT always work. People with diabetes are not always overweight, they don't ALL eat crap, etc, etc, etc. I'm sorry, while I HATE pharmecuetical companies as much as the next person, we truly DO live in an age of "miracles", where you don't HAVE die from certain diseases, unless of course, you choose to. If there is something out there that can help you ease your symptoms, why wouldn't you use it? Simply on principal? If it works for you, EXCELLENT. Just remember, it doesn't work for everyone and I've found that most people are not smart enough to realize that. So someone with a bs level of 300+ may read your posts and say, "Wow! I'm going to do what she does," all the while not realizing that it doesn't work that way.
But good luck in your endeavors and keep those #'s down. :) Have a great day.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-29 20:32:40 -0500 Report

Calmly, I did not say Aloe Vera Juice was a miracle cure. So right about whole wheat, but do you know why?? Check out wheat belly book, are maybe you have. Sure meds help people, but I can tell you if I checked out what some diabetics are eating with a BG of 300, I could pick out the things that may be causing it. I make my own breads with almond flour. Don't crave carbs anymore. Pretty much wheat and gluetin free. This is not a fight between people. We are fighting to get and stay healthier. I don't want to ease symptoms, I want to do something before symtoms begin. How can you say something won't work unless you try it?? Fear is a terrible thing, and many people with this disease are very fearful. I know I was at first. I had a BG of 400 and it was very disturbing to me. I come from a long line of diabetics, however I am the first in my family not to take meds and try a different approach. It worked for me and could work for many others. Type 1 is a totallaly different disease, It does require meds, however even type 1's have been know to reduce insulin with a better diet. LOL Do what you will and I will also. You can remember one thing also, this site is for people to connect and pick up some good information. No one holds your hand to the fire or requires you do do anything. Many people have been helped and still are. Depending how long a person has type 2 and the amount of damage that has already occured my be the reason what I do would not work for them as well. I am not the shell answer man, I just share as many people do on this site.
Great day back at ya
Sandra

Degibu
Degibu 2012-05-30 18:01:38 -0500 Report

Also, CALMLY, I'M the one who said, "miracle cure", as I've found Aloe Juice to cure a myriad of ills, that's all. I hear you about being disturbed when you found out you were diabetic with a 400 bs. I found out when a sore on my big toe wouldn't heal, the doc I work for took a random glucose and it was 357. I guess from working with him and diabetics for over 11 years, it didn't freak me out, it was just something that I had to deal with. I'm not overweight, I have always eaten well, I don't keep ANY processed foods in my home, I make all my food from scratch, I don't eat crap and no one in my family has ever had diabetes. As I said, it's just something that happened and I deal with it. I don't use sugar, in any form, I limiit my daily carb intake to less than 40 grams and I exercise every day, especially now with summer and my pool club opening, I do laps every chance I get, at least 5 days a week, AND I take Janumet. Without it, my glucose levels are too high, maybe it's just MY definition of too high, but I want my daily levels to be between 95 and 120. I'm sorry if for whatever reason you thought that I was "fighting" with you? I didn't realize that it came off that way, when in fact that I was truly agreeing with what you had to say. Yes, this site does have some good information, but myself and others I have spoken with on here have found that unfortunately, you have to wade through a bunch of dis-information to get to it. God forbid you disagree with some of the people who post on here, you'll get your head chewed off, which is why I find that everytime I attempt to return here, I remember why it was that I was staying away in the first place.
So good luck with your numbers and with your way of dealing with it. I truly am happy that it is working for you.
Have a wonderful summer,
Deb

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-30 22:07:07 -0500 Report

You are so right, sorry to reply too harsly, but a long hard week at work and sometimes I read things here and miss the real message. Sometimes I type so fast, I can't even spell the words right. LOL I too stop reading for a while and then come back to it. Dealing sometimes gets so old. It's ok to disagree, we just get our panties in a ruffle sometimes and it is good to let it out sometimes. Don't stay away because of me, You probably have info I need to hear. In fact I'm sure you have some good things to share, you have been dealing with this longer than I. Hope you have a wonderful summer also
Sincerely
Sandra

2012-05-29 21:05:37 -0500 Report

Well said Suziesgirl. thanks for your support and keep posting . I for one like what you have to say. God Bless

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2012-05-22 16:16:40 -0500 Report

Just posted an interesting fact about me and statins. Why should we not tell each other what wroks for US and what doesn't work for us. Yes, Crestor did an excellent job of keeping my cholestrol down and it did an excellent job of putting my BS off the map and make my insulin injections about worthless. I am off Crestor and am beginning to get my life back.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-24 20:04:52 -0500 Report

Good for you Sir! Docs love to script diabetes meds with Statin drugs. My cholestrol was high until I started to eat the right foods and walk daily. In three months it went from 264 to 176. Gald I didn't take the Crestor. We all need to keep communicating with each other. We have the technology and the logic for it.
Stay well
Sandra

JSJB
JSJB 2012-05-22 13:39:07 -0500 Report

Following my diet and doing exercise is slowly going to get me off meds. I was on glipizide and because of the diet and exercise was taken off and now only metformin which I skip the second pill (evening) and my BG is staying at 122.
Will talk to the dr on next visit.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-24 20:06:01 -0500 Report

Great news, I know it comes down slowly sometimes, but the key word is down. Good for you. Keep on trucking.
Sandra

Type1Lou
Type1Lou 2012-05-22 09:50:08 -0500 Report

Hey Sandra…you are right on track but unfortunately, we can lead the horse to water but can't make him/her drink! I had dinner out last night with my family before flying home after grandson's college graduation. Both my daughter-in-law (who is brilliant and lovely and overweight) and her mother are type 2's and take oral meds. Her mom ordered fried oysters and french fries while daughter-in-law ordered fettuccini alfredo and ate some of Mom's french fries…I ordered a spinach salad with grilled chicken for my dinner. I was stunned that a diabetic would order what they did but didn't speak up and chose to silently set an example by what I was eating. They are smart and old enough to know what they should and shouldn't eat; unfortunately, they make unwise choices and will pay the price ultimately.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-24 20:11:28 -0500 Report

So sad isn't it? We can only try to give good information, but you are right, you cannot change people unless they are willing to change. What they don't know is that they are set up by the food manufactures to be addicted to these types of foods. It really isn't their fault, unless they have the information and choose not to heed it. You did great, and it will pay off for you. I cringe when I go to a resturant for dinner or lunch. The menu's are appauling. The people in this country have been led down the wrong path for so long, they don't even realize what is happening to them. Thank God some of us are waking up to the hype that is being pushed by magazines, cooking shows and worst of the TV commercials. It truely is an indoctrination.
Good to hear your reply
Sandra

Degibu
Degibu 2012-05-24 08:32:44 -0500 Report

Doesn't that just KILL YOU!?! I would LOVE to eat that, HOWEVER, you and I know better. And just think, while all of us who actually do take care of ourselves are walking around on two legs, those who choose to eat that crap will end up amputees, on dialysis, blind and all the time, wondering why. *sigh* Unbelievable. Just like Paula Deen who STILL eats whatever she wants and thinks it's OK to promote that AND her the drug company who's meds she endorses seem to think that's all right. I don't think I'll ever understand people.

Type1Lou
Type1Lou 2012-05-24 11:09:10 -0500 Report

Unfortunately, I think our culture gives people a sense of entitlement that they should be able to eat and do whatever they want and there will be a pill or program to correct any difficulties… Other than setting a good example and speaking up when it would be helpful, there's not much we can do to make individuals realize that it is entirely up to them to take control and manage their condition.

cograndma
cograndma 2012-05-24 17:13:29 -0500 Report

I totally agree.. a pill for everything and no accountability for our actions!! I think that it is pretty shameful. We should be accountable for or actions and that God, our family and friends should be there to help us when we need it!!

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-24 09:25:04 -0500 Report

Paula is now a cog in the wheel of the Pharmaceutical-Industrial Complex and it rolls on and continues to pick up speed :(

Lakeland
Lakeland 2012-05-22 07:34:23 -0500 Report

I still am amazed & concerned about doctors advice. I chose to help my self with walking & high fiber foods, I was getting good at it & thats when I cheated & my weight is coming back but my a1c is still great. I was very surprsed when my doctor wanted me to take the same amount of medication when my Blood sugars was at 550 and now at 119.

So I don't listen to my doctors, I do test alot, maybe more than I should but I walk & my numbers drop so I'm afraid of going to low. I did ask him about this & he just said metformin don't work like that. If my sugar is 90 or 119 I don't take it.

I do like fruit & my sugars will spike to over 180 so I keep my meformin for times when a walk isn't enough.

I have had a few surgeries for pelvic pain & now I have nerve damage from those surgeries. I can' t blame it on my diabetes, it's getting harder & harder to walk & drop my numbers by the 30 points.

After seeing the misery my mom is going through with lipitor, there is no way I'm taking drugs like that.

It's still a game to me, but I think I'm winning the diabetes game.
Diane

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-24 20:17:02 -0500 Report

Excellent. You are doing so well. Sounds like you are smarter than your doctor, he should be worred about you going down from too much medication. Oh well, you keep up the good work. One tip, try not eating fruit after 4:00 in the evening. When you eat fruit eat it with a protein, like nuts or cheese. An apple with peanut butter. Try sticking to fruits like, Kiwi, blueberries, strawberries, rasberries, red grapefruil. Maybe that will help you keep those numbers down.
Best wishes to you
Sandra

kdroberts
kdroberts 2012-05-21 16:55:27 -0500 Report

I don't really care for the ADA but at least they didn't push one of the new drugs. The only thing to say in favor of the recommendation is that diabetics who take metformin die less than those who don't. Regardless of the cause of death and blood sugar levels, the death rate is lower.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-24 20:24:18 -0500 Report

I truely think the picture is allot bigger than that Mr. Roberts. I say Mr. Roberts because I want to address the right person with my comment. Yes people who take Metformin are less likely to die. people who have diabetes uncontrolled and don't take it, would probably be in danger of serious complications. I do not believe Metformin is a miracle drug. It only becomes one for people who for whatever reasons cannot or do not contol their BG levels. Thank God we still have the right to choose what treatment we want to take for this disease. If changing diet and exercise does not help, than by all means a person needs to seek the help of medication. If the diet and exercise works than skip the meds.
Nasty disease, but it could be worse.
Sandra

kdroberts
kdroberts 2012-05-24 22:01:17 -0500 Report

Take blood sugar out of it, your chances of dying are less when taking metformin, even if your blood sugar is controlled. There have been proposals over the years to offer metformin to anyone because it does help keep people alive. I don't think it's a miracle drug but it's extremely safe and has a lot of benefits to a great number of people, diabetic and non-diabetic.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-25 17:41:38 -0500 Report

Ok, where do you get this information? I'd like to see the research article and who the sponsor is. So what you are saying is everyone in the world should take Metformin if they want to live longer??? Really?? Hmmm!!! If this Meformin can keep you alive longer, well then I guess it is a miracle drug. You sound like a doctor I went to once. He tried to tell me that it was a miracle drug. My question to him was how many of his diabetic patients were cured with this wonderful drug. The answer was none, in fact they had to use more and more until they were on insulin. Wow, but I guess thats the trade off for living longer, more drugs and getting sicker by the day. I really want to see data to back this one up. Sounds like crazy talk to me. I think ya just like to antaganize people who are trying a better way to control diabetes with less drugs and possibly none. Its that it?? I could be wrong ya know. I'll keep watch for this on the 6:00 news, cause it will make history. The drug company who produces this drug will be happy as a pig in ca, ca. Tell ya what, I'm gonna ask someone who knows a whole lot more than you do about your discovery. I bet people who are dying would love this information, about how much longer will it make you live?? Is there a time line or do ya just take it and wait. Does anyone know how long they will live?? First you need a crystal ball and then you go buy the Metformin. Simple soultion to living longer. My God Man are you really buying this hype?? I'll get back to ya with Suzie Cohens response response.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2012-05-25 18:43:19 -0500 Report

I have better things to do than antagonize people. Here are some links, make of them what you will but there are plenty more out there in medical journals of various countries and places like MEDLINE if you want to look.

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/33/2...
http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/index.php?op...
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/9...
http://www.medpagetoday.com/MeetingCoverage/E...
http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?...
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/nov2010_T...

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-25 20:55:16 -0500 Report

Thanks for the links. I will certainly check them out. I guess you were trying to help out, but gee, I have a real problem with so many meds. given to people without giving them a chance to help their bodies heal with better diet and exercise. I do not believe we were built for meds. I do believe that medications have saved many lives. Taking medications as a prevenitive go against my grain. There is no fountain of youth, no magic bullet, it there were it would have a price tag way out of our league. Thanks again for the link, I do like to read medical research articles.
Sandra

runthe
runthe 2012-05-21 15:04:34 -0500 Report

My blood sugar was going great. My a1c went from 13 to 7. Then I was put back on certain meds and my numbers went all over the place. During all of this I have manage to lose about 10 lbs. I am try to walk as much as I can when I can. I agree that most drs like to just give you meds. Everytime I go to the drs they either add on more medication and increase the Insulin. Today I took my Insulin and my blood sugar dropped to 52 because someone told me that I should just eat some berries which I did that cause me to because shaky with that nervous feeling. I am not trying to make excuses because I am tired of this diabetic thing

Degibu
Degibu 2012-05-24 08:40:16 -0500 Report

Hon, your BG didn't drop to 52 because someone told you to eat some berries. IF your sugar drops low THAT'S when you eat them, to raise it. Being diabetic doesn't have to be tiring, like Suziesgirl said, get some books but DON'T stop taking meds if changing your diet and exercising doesn't lower your numbers! That's a sure fire way to kill yourself. Sure, it's easy to b***h about pharma companies, and YES, they're rediculous, especially with the cost of meds, BUT, and this is the MOST important item, NOT EVERYONE CAN LOWER THEIR NUMBERS WITHOUT MEDICATION! I knew a woman, whom aprroximately a year or two ago, actually had the idiocy to say, "I don't want to be diabetic anymore, so I'm not taking my insulin." Really? Want to know how that worked out for her? She's 57, looks 90, is in a wheel chair and is in kidney failure. Please don't become a "deny-a-betic". You'll surely end up the same way. Just stick it out, find people to talk to, eat well and do what you have to do, just keep your numbers under control. Good luck!

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-21 15:36:09 -0500 Report

Ruthie, do yourself a favor and get the book Diabetes without drugs by Suzie Cohen. This is a very stressful disease, because it makes us have to think all the time about what we are putting in our mouth. 7 is not so bad, maybe you just didn't have enough good information to continue on your good path. Don't give up, you can do it. Insulin is a big bandaid that can be very dangerous. There are ways to lower your bloodsugar naturally. You have to listen to the dr. you have chosen, but if you don't like what he say's or it is not working for you find another. Be up front with them and tell them taking meds is not what you want to do for the rest of your life. What you described is exactly why I chose not to take meds. I was already on a diet and reduced by BG from 226 to 150 in two weeks. I knew I was going to continue to lose weight and monitor my food intake. I cut the carbs to 20 per meal. I walked every day. The weight came off and everything began to line up well. Look back at what you were doing to make that BG go up. Sometimes it is a simple thing like hidden sugars in foods, especially processed. Don't eat sugar free. They lie. Maltadextrin is a big hitter in sugar free. Read the book woman, and you can only succeed. Relax and make a diet plan for the whole week. Eat lots of salads, hopefully at each dinner time meal. Statin drugs can sabatoge your Blood sugar. Find a health food store that has a certified nutrionist in it. They are worth talking to. Especially if you find a good one. Don't worry, you can get this under contol
Best wishes
Sandra

femaletrucker
femaletrucker 2012-05-22 08:30:28 -0500 Report

I did the same thing Suzie did…she's right. It works. Do 1 hour of some type of exercise, bike ride, walk, run (just make sure you have some glucose tablets with you in case your blood sugar drops like that again) and stay away from all white sugars, flours, rice, noodles, and basically processed foods like hot dogs, spam, etc… FRESH FOODS! Veggies and berries. And use olive oil in everything. Olive oil aids with the absorption of carbs in your body. I use it in salads and cook with it. Walnut oil is great too.

kaiya2465
kaiya2465 2012-05-20 20:25:03 -0500 Report

I don't take meds. I have tried a meal plan that apparently is working for me & walk 3 miles a day. Sadly I may lose my 3 mile a day walk for awhile but I am not going to give up, I refuse to let myself be where I have to take meds for this disease. My A1c has been 5.2 for the last 2 months which means I must be doing something right. Dr says I don't even have to test anymore, but I think now is a good time for the once a day testing. Just my feeling in my situation. Best Wishes To All!

Degibu
Degibu 2012-05-30 18:11:39 -0500 Report

Why is your doctor taking your a1c reading once a month? It's a test designed to show your average blood glucose level for a 3 month period. Taking it monthly is redundant. It should only be taken every 3 to 6 months.

tabby9146
tabby9146 2012-05-25 19:06:31 -0500 Report

congrats! I can only manage to get mine to 5.4 which is great I know, but I want it to 5.2 that is my goal. I too do not take meds. i took metformin at first, for 3 1/2 months, until I lost most of the weight, and I started having low spells, so I took myself off of it, knowing doctor was going to anyway, and I did the right thing. I was determined not to take mds. I know some have to no matter what, but when caught early, there is such a good chance to control with diet and exercise alne for many years.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-22 15:28:48 -0500 Report

Don't that feel good being part of the "you don't have to test" club? Doctor told me the same thing, but I still do. Don't know if I'm just curious, or maybe chicken.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-24 20:31:48 -0500 Report

Me too. Big chicken. I think I test daily because it keeps me on track. I can pretty much tell you what my A1C will be every three months, by the a.m. tracking log I keep. Nothing wrong with testing each morn, unless you can't afford thos darn strips. Hope someone comes up with a cheaper way for people. Maybe people would catch this disease years earlier if they could just buy a simple test strip or two and check it once in a while. I guess people could do that, but who thinks you are going to be the perfect candidate for Diabetes?
Sandra

tabby9146
tabby9146 2012-05-25 19:07:36 -0500 Report

I check once a day every day. you are right, it keeps you on track. I too can always guess what A1C will be, I have my A1C once a year, had it twice the first year, was such a good number that I do it less often now, because I stick to diet and exercise and testing.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-25 08:55:25 -0500 Report

Like I said somewhere else, I'm a bit concerned with my morning numbers. Typically wake up to the mid 80's, but the last few weeks I've been low (60's), so while that may make my A1c look good, it has me concerned.
You might be onto something there with testing. Most people don't regularly see a doctor, much less get full blood panels done. If a quick BG test were done as routine with the usual temp and blood pressure check the assistant does, more might be caught.

kaiya2465
kaiya2465 2012-05-22 16:30:37 -0500 Report

No, because I don't trust the Dr's here anyways, so I will still be testing that once per day, maybe more when I can afford it!!!!!

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-05-22 15:31:03 -0500 Report

I know when I went from testing as much as I wanted to, to testing as my doctor told me to, my levels suffered. He said only twice, but I do much better when I test more often.

June Tademy
June Tademy 2012-05-28 15:47:24 -0500 Report

So do I Gabby, I test three tofour times a day, if I am out I test at least once. This keeps me stable and I know what and how much to eat all the time. Something you get use to doing, I told my Doctors that I test a lot and they said good and increased my test strips:)

jigsaw
jigsaw 2012-05-20 19:34:49 -0500 Report

I read the link, and you left out a few pertinent points! I agree that we should learn to eat properly, exercise, and do everything that is REASONABLY POSSIBLE to stay off meds. For quite a few, proper diet and exercise will do the job. For others, it will not be enough. Still for others, it will work for a while, could be years, and then meds will be necessary. Should you need meds and not take them, then you are a fool! Uncontolled blood glucose will do more damage then most prescribed meds. Just don't want to see unnecessary and unrealistic extremes being encouiraged.
Here is more of a balanced consideration for both sides of the fence!
http://www.joslin.org/info/can_i_treat_diabet...
http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/Blog/Am...

Lizardfan
Lizardfan 2012-05-20 19:51:35 -0500 Report

What a great perspective jigsaw! You said it so well.

jigsaw
jigsaw 2012-05-21 05:48:10 -0500 Report

Thanks Lizardfan, but I will say that Sandra does have alot of good info and much to offer! I have definitely picked up a few helpful points from her.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-20 18:17:21 -0500 Report

Why does the ADA not council doctors on proper diabetes care? I shudder to think what would happen if they did. They can't seem to even get their own house in order.
I suspect though that they've realized they may be fighting a losing battle. There are many diabetics out there that simply cannot gain control through diet and exercise. I'd be willing to bet that for every one of those there are at least ten who won't even try. In that case, the only real teatment is medication, because it takes 30 seconds to write a prescription, but many hours to counsel.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-05-22 07:58:59 -0500 Report

Unfortunately, I think the ADA is educating the doctors. I think that is really part of the problem, as they cannot seem to get out of the dark ages in dealing with diabetes.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-24 20:37:03 -0500 Report

LOL Never thought about it that way Gabby. But how right you are. They are trained to treat a disease not a person. When you given them a good idea about how you were able to lower your BG, they kind of look at you like a doe in the headlights. I had a doctor tell me once that my blood work was great, but I shouldn't forget that this was a genetic disease. Well my response to her was the only genetics about diabetes was the junk we have been eating through the generations. Cancelled the next appt. Fired the Doc. Yea!!! You think she would have wanted to know what I was doing, so she could reasearch it and pass it on to her very sick diabetic patients.
Love that one Gabby
Sandra

Degibu
Degibu 2012-05-30 18:15:38 -0500 Report

WOW! That "doctor" actually told you that diabetes was "genetic?! I'd report her to the AMA, *lol*, as if THAT would actually do any good! :(

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-29 10:33:14 -0500 Report

Good reply Sandra. I do believe Drs get burnt out treating D (along with everything else) just as much as we patients burn out managing it ;)

Degibu
Degibu 2012-05-31 08:24:30 -0500 Report

Working for a Dr, I can attest that getting burned out after years of dealing with non-compliant patients is, unfortunately, a reality. If anyone out there ever watched "House", he had a great line, "Treating diseases is why we became doctors. Treating patients is what makes doctors crazy", or words to that effect. It would be wonderful if patients always did what they were supposed to do, but sadly, it's not the rule, it's the exception, at least in this office. Non-compliants greatly outnumber those who actually accept that they have a disease and change their behavior in order to remain healthy. What's a doctor supposed to do with a patient who had a severe ulcer on his foot for OVER a year, which his insurance company paid thousands upon thousands of dollars to hospitals, labs, pharmacies, etc, etc, etc, (which raises everyone's premiums, thank you very much)who is now BACK and when asked what he ate for breakfast and he replies, "Doughnuts". :( His wife informs us that's ALWAYS what he has and a random glucose reading was 384. So burn out, yeah, I do really understand it.

Degibu
Degibu 2012-06-05 08:39:11 -0500 Report

In my experiences, NO, he'll go through the rest of his life, no matter how short, with his eyes closed. Sad, but true. He had been doing well and, like any other addict, fell back into old habits.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-31 21:58:20 -0500 Report

True that,some people are just stuck on S——d. Yes I finally said it stupid. To some people it is just another pill to fix a problem they help make worse with bad habits. Maybe losing a foot would wake some people up, and maybe not. We are all responsible for our own health care, but throwing away money is sad, when so many people out there need health care.
No words left , we cannot carry the torch for people who refuse to take care of themselves. We can only reach out and help those who want to be helped.
Have a good evening
Sandra

Degibu
Degibu 2012-06-05 08:37:42 -0500 Report

Couldn't agree with you more. ONE of the major problems with patients who refuse to take care of themselves is that hundreds of thousands of dollars are being spent on hospitalization for THEM, leaving people like me, without insurance. THIS is the reason that the USA will NEVER have any sort of national health care, no matter how many people in D.C. have good intentions, it's just not going to happen. Spend all that $$ on a non-compliant patient leaves NO $$ for those of us who actually DO take care of ourselves. MAYBE if insurance companies refused to pay costs for smokers, non-compliant diabetics, alcholics, drug addicts others may have a chance, but until that day happens (which it NEVER will) we are screwed.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-22 08:28:52 -0500 Report

I agree. I've worked with dieticians both personally and professionally, and it seem like the curriculum to train these folks is stuck in the 50's. Fortunately, groups like ours do serve as a grass roots effort to start the change.
In the doctor's and dietician/nutritionists defense though, because diabetes is unique to many individuals when considering other medical issues combined, tailoring a "one size fits all" diet is near impossible.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-05-22 14:01:17 -0500 Report

Yes, it is not one size fits all for sure. That is why it bugs me so much when a doctor's reason for prescribing something is "because all diabetics need this". Grrrrrrr.......

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-22 14:19:15 -0500 Report

To read that frustrated me also. Morally/ethically, if a doctor diagnoses you he has to present some form of treatment. I can't help but wonder if if the medical community is throwing up their hands collectively and saying "there, I treated you" in light of the fact that very few are ever going to be compliant/adherant/concordant (thanks Amy T) in their own treatment.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-05-22 14:22:24 -0500 Report

That is how I feel about it. I know compliance is very low among patients. We tend to not take it seriously until it is really too late. But when someone shows they have the initiative to do things and learn on their own and have goals. I would love it if they would listen to us at that time.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-22 14:42:42 -0500 Report

And I think therein lies the root of the problem. The information doctors can share is limited either because of no personal knowledge, or the resources simply don’t exist on the personal/emotional levels individual patients need. I’ve often wondered if we at DC here could get business cards (not with our names or anything) advertising the site. I’d leave a few with my PCP, my Chiropractor, etc. I think if a newbie stopped by here shortly after diagnosis, they would gain a good deal of insight into management, or at least be able to focus on the things they need to discuss effectively with their physician. Just that I think would be a stepping stone to upping compliance figures.

robinsonb
robinsonb 2012-05-22 17:53:35 -0500 Report

This is what I did… One Dr said pre-diabetic or insulin resistant and my GP said… who told you this? he is a quack.. your numbers are fine. you are under 110. you are not pre diabetic is what he said to his credit thou the only information I got was look and eat at the glycemic index eat the foods that are under 50. are you kidding me!!!!
I came home and started on the computer found this site and what a help!!! I was scared and i have changed my eating in spite of the Dr
I still have tons of questions.
Like should i buy a meter and test?
and if so, how do i read the numbers having NEVER been counceled…

I would of loved to see a business card in a Dr's office or Heck anywhere!!!!

Degibu
Degibu 2012-05-30 18:21:33 -0500 Report

As things stand with whatever powers that be at this point in time, 101 is considered "pre-diabetic". But heck, yous read 110, maybe you just had a soda or something to that effect. BUT, if your worried or curious, yes, by all means get a meter and test yourself. Most doctors have them in their office and can give you one free of charge, but Wal-Mart has inexpensive ones. The strips can put you in the poor house, but I found a site where I get mine (for Bayer Contour meter) for $19.99 for 50. It's Biousa.com, it's located in California and it's the least expensive I've ever seen them. They're over $65.00 even in Wal-Mart.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-05-22 18:03:04 -0500 Report

Re your question about buying a meter and testing my answer is YES! BY ALL MEANS DO SO! You can find a good inexpensive meter at Wal-Mart in the Reli-on meters and strips.

I bought one of those for my mom when I learned she was Dx'd as pre-diabetes last summer. She told me recently she no longer has prediabetes. So I feel that was one of the best purchases I could have made for her!

Blessings to you and yours robinson!

James

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-24 20:43:46 -0500 Report

James, you never cease to amaze me. You are my hero. What a great job you did with your mom. I sure wish everyone with diabetes would check out at lease one other family member. That could put a huge curb on this disease. Hey thats a great idea. Lets see if everyone on this site can check at least one family member. Wow, maybe we can help them not go to the place where we find ourselves. Food for thought James, Food for thought.
Have a great evening
Sandra

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-05-22 14:46:19 -0500 Report

Compliance is much better among those of us here, I'm almost certain. I know from my experience, if I am adrift, and not here daily, I tend to get more lax in how I am following my plan. So I can imagine those who have no support, how they must feel so lost.

I have tried to pass on our site to my doctor, but I do like your business card idea. Hmmmm. I might have to do something like that. Let me check with the team to see if we are able to do so.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-22 14:52:34 -0500 Report

Yeah, I'd really like to pursue that. Maybe just the logo, address and some innocuous by-line like "Just diagnosed? Need support?"
We could interact here all day about how no one is helping diabetics, maybe this would be the way to be able to say WE are.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-05-22 14:57:34 -0500 Report

I sent a little note to the administration. I think it's a stellar idea, but I don't know the ramifications or legalities of it. I would love to do something like that. Even through Vista Print or something...cheap and lots to pass out.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-22 15:15:36 -0500 Report

Yes, I thought there might be some legalities involved, but I'm sure we could get around them carefully. I work with several printers who, if provided the template electronically, would print the cards. That way, a memeber could just order them from a local shop (no cost to DC).

Jeanette Terry
Jeanette TerryPA 2012-05-23 15:17:56 -0500 Report

This is a great idea. I have talked to the team and we are going to start working on something that you as members would be able to print and hand out to your docotr or to friends to let them know more about Diabetic Connect.

June Tademy
June Tademy 2012-05-28 19:03:34 -0500 Report

Well, I just tell All of my Doctors about DC and how supportive the site is and how I find out about meds that are good and that are bad and/or any information about Diabetes. They ALL tell me to stick with the site, they are happy for me (sometimes I bring them information:) So keep passing on the good news about our site.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2012-05-23 16:00:36 -0500 Report

Great! Would be nice if they were formatted to a standard Microsoft/Avery business card template too. Wouldn't need to be a card either.

locarbarbie
locarbarbie 2012-05-21 14:03:37 -0500 Report

I have been reading about the blogger who was approached by the American Diatetic (not diabetic) Association to quit giving unsolicited advice on his paleo diet which has done wonders for his diabetes. I do not know how to send a link (I have the technology know how of a cave man!!) but his site is Diabetes Warrior. net. He talks about how off base the American Diabetic Assn is on their recommendation of a low fat/high carb diet for diabetics. Very interesting!

dietcherry
dietcherry 2012-05-21 14:30:33 -0500 Report

I have been following his story with interest as he lives here in my state of North Carolina. He has been threatened with jail time if he doesnt capitulate to their demands to stop giving dietary advice because he isnt a medical professional. He wields alot of influence, I must say!!

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-21 14:43:03 -0500 Report

Very interesting indeed. Have not heard of this yet, however sounds like this person has the full attention of the ADA. About time I would think, considering all the boot info they hand out to diabetics. Do you have to be a medical professional to given someone good advice on how to handle their diabetes or other diseases?? I think not. After all it is up to the individual as to what they do with that advise. Sounds like they are getting scared that maybe people can improve their diseases without them. Toooo Bad!! They have the money and same information we have access to, so why do they not encourage people to loose weight, and have a healthier eating style? I know why, Natural good foods can not have a patent put on them. Therefore no money. Such a shame. I do hope that this person whoever he is, is managing to help people and not hurt them. I have also heard of a doctor in Suzanne Summers book Knockout that has helped people cure cancer with natural remedies. They arrested him and put him in jail. All the people he helped showed up outside the Court and his case was dismissed. When we all catch on to what is going on, we will all be better off. Dietcherry, please send me the mans name, I would love to follow this case.
Sandra

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-05-22 08:02:40 -0500 Report

It is kind of like when you find out your parents aren't right about everything. Opps, and there you go! This guy has opened up the gates of enlightenment, as many have before him. For some reason, they are not writing him off as a cook and see him as a real threat. If you read the very bottom of his web pages, he has some interesting (and insulting) insights he shares. I rather enjoyed his site a lot.

There are a lot of holistic ways to get through chronic illness. We just have to have the determination to do it, as it goes against all we were raised to believe.

locarbarbie
locarbarbie 2012-05-21 14:39:10 -0500 Report

Unbelievable isn't it? What is happening to our freedom of speech? Thanks for including the link. Can you clue me in as to how? I must be the only one who does not know this! I am proud because I can now copy and paste and it only took me about 10 years, LOL.

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-20 20:02:09 -0500 Report

How many poor doctors do you know? You mean to tell me that they couldn't afford to hire someone who could council people with diabetes? That would be an office I would want to visit. If patients did not want to get involved they wouldn't have to, however I have met so many people who hunger for some good information about the foods that can help keep this disease in check. I would never take council from the ADA. Have ya read some of their diabetes safe recipes?? Its a joke to me. A diabetics whole menu needs to be changed in order to change the numbers and the outcome. Sorry I think Doctors can help change the outcome of this disease. I said Help Change the outcome. People also must comply or stop complaining.
Sandra

locarbarbie
locarbarbie 2012-05-21 14:21:23 -0500 Report

Hmm, what would happen to the doctors pharm kick back incentives then? It is not due to the fact that a patient MIGHT be non-compliant…imagine a dr saying to someone with a peanut allergy, "try to avoid peanuts if you can, but if you can't, just go easy on them or eat the lower fat version"!! No, they take it seriously and expect the person with peanut allergy to take it seriously also. They tell them, Do NOT EVER eat peanuts! Why is it that a diabetic should not be told what NOT to eat?

suziesgirl
suziesgirl 2012-05-21 14:46:21 -0500 Report

Barb, love ya girl, This is really a hoot isn't it?? Wow they are getting a little scared now. Freedom of speech?? I guess not. We will see though, sometimes freedom works in numbers. Lord this is certainly enough diabetics out there who could stand behind a better method of treating diabetes. Can you send me the news flash, I would love to read it.
Have a good one
Sandra

locarbarbie
locarbarbie 2012-05-21 15:08:22 -0500 Report

Sandra…dietcherry provided the link above, carolinajournal.com/executives/dis…
Or go to Diabetes warrior.net to see Steve's site. This is just crazy, they claim that only a licensed dietician should be able to give "diet" advice. They are the ones I avoid like the plague!