Experiment: eating corn-on-the-cob

By Caroltoo Latest Reply 2012-05-18 07:32:24 -0500
Started 2012-04-28 21:00:52 -0500

When first diagnosed 10 years ago, my blood sugar reacted with spikes whenever I ate anything that was a high GI carbohydrate. I spiked on grains, corn, green peas, spaghetti, etc. but less on sugar. After 10 years of learning how to moderate my BGs, I have been experimenting with eating some of these foods again in small quantity. I have no desire to overeat on these, or to go back to some of the junk I ate (Cheetos, etc.), but I would like to include small portions of foods that are healthy in small quantity.

Part of my personal journey was learning that I was gluten intolerant and how that effects my gut function, ability to utilize vitamins and minerals from my food, and how the resulting inflammation spikes my blood glucose readings.

I'm still avoiding all soda pop, wheat, barley, rye, oats, milk, sugar (except a bite or two of very dark chocolate occasionally), and as much environmental toxicity as possible. I grow some of our vegetables in organic soil in pots on my lanai to avoid chemicals in fertilizers and pesticides because of known sensitivities that I have to chemicals.

A few days ago I took my husband for a ride on the North Shore where there are many farms raising vegetables and lots of corn. I found one advertising non-GMO corn and decided to get some. Which lead to the testing described below.

Wayne, as most of you know by now, has had Alzheimer's for 10 years. Since he is also deaf and blind, it makes conversation somewhat limited. I try to explain why he needs a varied diet, but usually give in to his "old favorites" and a couple multivitamin tablets plus calcium and his Alzheimer's medications.

Life is too short to fight about food, but it has concerned me because his choices are all high carbohydrate and virtually without redeeming food value. He eats a pastry for breakfast (I sneak 15 g. of protein into his coffee via a Vanilla Whey powder), a handful of grapes or 1/2 banana, glass of juice, and coffee. His lunch is a taco and a glass of milk. Dinner is a bowl of bran flakes w/raisins and another glass of milk.

So, tying my curiosity about how I would now respond to the starches in corn-on-the-cob, and whether or not Wayne was developing insulin resistance because of his seemingly addictive need for high carbohydrate foods, I tested both of us after a meal of nothing but fresh from the farm corn-on-the-cob.

Here's what I found: Wayne Carol
Preprandial (1:00) 86 97
Carol, only (1.5 hrs) 110
Postprandial (3:00) 119 119
Carol, only (4:00) 96
(5:00) 85 89

His preprandial reading was 11 lower than mine. I ate more corn that he did, but he had more BG increase than I did. We both resolved within 4 hours to his preprandial reading in the high 80s. From this, I would gather that his odd diet has not yet to badly affected his glucose sensitivity though he is more reactive than I am, and I am responding much more normally to the starch in the corn.

I will continue to watch his protein intake though and try to find ways to supplement it. High BGs cause cellular damage in the brain as well as the rest of the body and that isn't good for any of us, but particularly due to the implications w/r/t Alzheimer's development.

Note: because it was within 24 hours of the field, this corn was probably lower in starch than corn that is in the grocery many days after being picked and shipped.

Tags: health

76 replies

GabbyPA 2012-05-02 14:33:42 -0500 Report

Your article says it was GMO or did you mean NON-GMO?? Corn is my nemesis. I miss it so.

Caroltoo 2012-05-02 14:55:27 -0500 Report

Yes, I did. I caught that too, but they haven't corrected the mistake I made in one of my other discussions, so I figured they were to far behind for me to make a second request.

GabbyPA 2012-05-03 18:19:43 -0500 Report

I can edit the post if you want. Let me know.

GabbyPA 2012-05-07 20:52:29 -0500 Report

We did blueberries, pickles (sweet and dill), pickled beets and eggs. I have been having fun. Most of the things are being canned the same day we harvest and that is fresh! We are going black berry picking next week I think.

Caroltoo 2012-05-07 23:53:37 -0500 Report

Oh, I am envious … really fresh blackberries. Surprise! I didn't know they grew in Florida. I've only seen berries in the Northern states.

GabbyPA 2012-05-09 07:35:26 -0500 Report

We have a lot of wild versions of blackberries and raspberries. The bears love them. They don't get a big as the northern varieties, unless you plant them, as they do in this one farm. They are rumored to be as big as quarters. I can't wait.

Caroltoo 2012-05-09 23:16:34 -0500 Report

Didn't know you had bears either … another one I associated w/northern states. Never saw them where I grew up in So. Cal., had them all over ID when I'd go camping there and up into Canada. Had deer where I lived in WA.

GabbyPA 2012-05-10 20:28:11 -0500 Report

I came across a momma black bear and two cubs on a hike in the Florida pines. It was quite an experience. I was very fortunate in both ways. One to see one so close and two, to live to tell the tale.

Caroltoo 2012-05-13 14:44:57 -0500 Report

Beautiful and lucky. Felt that way when I came upon a family of deer standing in a snowback as I turned onto my street in WA. Neighbors weren't as thrilled when they saw what they had eaten, but sure enjoyed seeing the 4 of them.

GabbyPA 2012-05-15 12:59:04 -0500 Report

It's funny how much we love nature until we see what it can do. I don't mind sharing my garden with some...but they have to share back. LOL

jigsaw 2012-05-17 18:05:22 -0500 Report

We have a family of deer living in the woods next door. My wife quickly learned what not to plant in the garden. Nothing like planting a newly purchased plant and finding a few shreds left the next morning!

Godmommy 2012-05-17 14:56:48 -0500 Report

My husband is diabetic ate 2 short ears of corn on the cob the other night and it blew his sugar out of the water the next morning.

Caroltoo 2012-05-17 17:39:42 -0500 Report

I found that to be true for the first 8 years or so also. I'm just now beginning to eat a little corn and feeling safe with the results.

Godmommy 2012-05-17 15:10:07 -0500 Report

We eat very little bread anymore but the very health flour fajita wraps with the lowest amount of carbs etc.

Godmommy 2012-05-17 15:08:14 -0500 Report

Three years. He has converted some of my recipes to diabetic so that he can have them. One of his favorite was my pancakes and they were homemade and he tried them with everything until Truvia worked the best. He feeds them to everybody and no one has been able to tell the difference.

jimmuel 2012-05-08 13:18:37 -0500 Report

I love to can two,greenbeans,whole tomatoes,dill pickels,beets,I pickle my eggs with out beets ,I dont like the beet taste on the egg,sour crout,cant have sweet pickles or corn

GabbyPA 2012-05-09 07:36:54 -0500 Report

I love the color of the eggs when they are pickled with beets. How do you pickle them without? My book doesn't have a recipe for pickled eggs alone.

jimmuel 2012-05-09 11:31:00 -0500 Report

I got this recipe from cook.com,an I love this recipe It only takes overnight an you can eat the pickled eggs but I always let them set for at least a week,I went to walmart an got a glass jar large enough to hold 2 dozen eggs 3 med onions an pickleing liqued,they have a large flour jar with a lid the recipe is for a dozon eggs I double it an put more onion an 6or7 whole garlic cloves
1 tsp prepared mustard
3/4 c water
1 tbsp salt
1 med onion sliced in to rings
1 1/4 c cider vinegar
1/2 c sugar I use steavia
1 tsp pickling spice
12 hard boil eggs pealed
In a saucepan blend mustard with 1/4 cup vinegar.add remaining 1 cup vinegar and remaning ingredients except eggs. simmer uncovered 5 minutes or until sugar is dessolved an onions are crisp an tender.pour over eggs.Cover and refrigerate overnight.

jimmuel 2012-05-11 00:57:57 -0500 Report

I dont no ,I've only make them for the refrigerator,never tried to can them,they last 3 or 4 of weeks in the frig,I would think you can,Im going to have to find out
that would be something to try this weekend

jayabee52 2012-05-10 20:50:26 -0500 Report

boy Gabby! have we strayed AGAIN from the original discussion starting this exchange. from an experement eating sweet corn to pickled eggs! One never knows where we'll end up!

GabbyPA 2012-05-10 21:00:31 -0500 Report

Yep, that is the magic of the fluid conversation. I like the sub threads. Specially if they are not bashing. I like the fun ones.

jayabee52 2012-05-09 14:25:49 -0500 Report

Jimmuel, would you please post this recipe in the recipes section? The link is at the left of the page.

Nick1962 2012-05-09 14:16:19 -0500 Report

Thanks for this! These were a staple in the taverns in my hometown. I know what I'm doing this weekend!

Nick1962 2012-05-09 18:26:09 -0500 Report

Haven't had them since I moved south, so expectations are high, but some things - even though an aquired taste - you never give up liking.

jimmuel 2012-05-09 22:49:55 -0500 Report

you sher are right there,my grandfather an father use to give them to me an my brother when they would go to the tavern after working all day on the farm.I loved them then an still do,just dont go to the tavern anymore,my grandfathers favorte was pickled pigs feet,there ok just not my cup of tea

Nick1962 2012-05-10 07:52:28 -0500 Report

Yup, many times that was dinner for me - a bottle of Miller, a couple pig's feet, a pickled egg. Funny, back then really didn't see that as healthy, but it's almost pure protein (except for the beer).

jimmuel 2012-05-10 09:53:27 -0500 Report

I didnt think of it that way,but your right pure protine,my dad always said a can of beer was a pork chop in a can,he had a big beer belly

jimmuel 2012-05-09 00:12:54 -0500 Report

me an my family can enough vegie's to last all year,a very big gardon,its are family thing we do together,thats my enjoyment in life gardning an taking care of the yard an flower beds,

GabbyPA 2012-05-09 07:37:56 -0500 Report

It is a lot of work, but it is so gratifying to see things grow, to feed your family with fruits from your labor. It always brings a smile to my face.

jimmuel 2012-05-09 10:59:54 -0500 Report

Yes I agree,my dad always said that raising your food an butchering your own meat is the only way a family is truely free,he has since passed an we dont butcher anymore,Im just hoping my nieces an nephews keep are family garden together when me an my sisters an mother are gone,theres hope they love the fresh vegie's an there kids have a fun snaping green beans an chelling pea's,

Nick1962 2012-04-29 18:40:40 -0500 Report

It looks like you both did very well! Considering Wayne's age, diet and condition, I would have expected way worse. Your control all this while seems to have paid off some. So now I'm wondering 3 things: 1) Is it possible that there is some rebuilding/restorative function happening? 2) How would this change with a combination of of say corn plus carbs, or corn plus protein? 3) Where are you getting farm fresh corn this time of year?

Caroltoo 2012-04-29 18:58:18 -0500 Report

Considering Wayne's current diet, I was amazed and pleased. I expected he had slipped over into Type 2. His brother was a brittle diabetic and eventually died as the result of lymphoma which was probably a consequence of D. This was after years spent in the Amazon while a brittle diabetic. After I learned more about D, my appreciation for my brother-in-law's determination to make it work went way up!

(1) Yes, I think there is some restoration of earlier function. I'm not reacting to lots of things I used to, or, at worst, I am reacting a whole lot less.
(2) Since corn is carb heavy, I don't know that I would eat it with anything that was also carb heavy, be much more inclined to eat it with protein. Did so a day later, and got the same sort of minimal reaction.
(3) North Shore farm land around Kuhuku — crops are planted earlier because of our longer growing season. We have the full range of farm fresh fruit and veggies around the beginning of April. There is a reason we call this paradise. My tomato plants from last year are still producing. I just picked and ate one yesterday that was REALLY vine ripened.

Nick1962 2012-04-30 08:36:36 -0500 Report

All this is very promising. Typically we always did corn with a double brat sandwich (on our local semolina roll) and there was always german potato salad on the side. A high carb, low protein meal I really miss.

Caroltoo 2012-04-30 16:52:10 -0500 Report

Well, yes, to the German Potato Salad, but add a piece of fried chicken and it would be more typical of my childhood memories.

Nick1962 2012-05-01 07:32:04 -0500 Report

Because that's all thats required to cook them and you don't get that green "shell" around the yolk. I also immediately put them in cold water to stop the cooking process. Perfect eggs every time.

Caroltoo 2012-05-01 07:35:54 -0500 Report

Didn't realize that overcooking was what caused the green shell. I do the cold water bath too. Got it a little short one time recently and had slightly mushy "hard" boiled eggs.

Nick1962 2012-05-01 08:06:03 -0500 Report

Yep, that's what gets you the green. Instead of turning them off and letting them sit, I simmer them for the 12 minutes so they keep moving in the water and the water stays a consitent temperature. Then I shock them.

Caroltoo 2012-05-01 08:23:19 -0500 Report

Haven't a clue. I awakened around 2 am and found myself just lying there, so decided to get up for a while. BG was 100, not in pain, not noticably worried or distressed. Tired but not sleepy.

May relate to rather serious discussion Wayne and I got into last night. He was having another of those ears of corn and I gave him a bite of steak. He spit it out and said "I don't like that." (I do sometimes say I have an oversized 3 year old on my hands and he was living up to it last night.). I got up and left the room because it upset me so. He ate his corn, then came to apologize and ask what he had done wrong.

I told him how concerned I was about his diet of starches and more starches without protein or vegetables. He seemed to understand I was concerned that he was not getting what he needed to help his failing body do the best it can. We talked about what changes I would like to make: add an egg to his breakfast and cut his pastry in half, give him some of my lunch which has meat and veggies instead of what he has been eating. He agreed and apologized for causing me to worry. He also realized I've been fixing 6 meals a day, because he and I eat so differently.

It's days like this that I have trouble believing this is Alzheimer's. For being sick 10 years, he just has too much understanding of the issues, though little short term memory. I wonder sometimes if it's not a form of disorientation related to sensory depravation: he is blind and deaf as well as very limited in his mobility. Must be horrible to live in a world where your senses are so muted … like being wrapped in cotton batting.

Nick1962 2012-05-01 08:51:28 -0500 Report

I’m sorry to hear that. I can empathize with the feeling. I know sometimes the brain just can’t allow us to shut down. At least Wayne still has some semblance to know when things are upsetting to you, and he can put aside his own struggles to discuss it.
I had a similar issue with my mother who had COPD. She wanted to live independently (she was a fiercely independent person) and always claimed she was eating proper, but continued to get thinner and weaker. At points she was hospitalized for dehydration, and nurses had to supervise her at meals to be sure she ate what she should. This lasted about 2 weeks after she was released. We would take 2 bags of groceries over each week, but noticed often 3 bags of garbage going out. I asked her about it and she told me it was expired food. At that point we decided it was time for in-home care. While she enjoyed the social aspect of the visits, each meal was a chore, and often times she had to be reminded that she liked what it was she was eating, and in fact most times requested it. Is Wayne involved in the meal planning? Is he open to maybe once a week an “adventure day” where he tries something new? Would it be possible to slowly shift his eating habits this way?

Caroltoo 2012-05-01 17:47:21 -0500 Report

Last night he agreed to try more things. This morning he ate an egg scrambled with onions, mushrooms, and cheese. We'll see how lunch goes. This is the meal where he is most picky.

He doesn't remember what he did/didn't like OR he can't see food and doesn't connect with my verbal naming of foods. I always tell him what is on his plate and where it is located.

Nick1962 2012-05-01 18:51:36 -0500 Report

Well, at least he's open to changes. On the flipside though, if what he eats makes him happy, and is fairly routine (and as you've shown here not suffering negative effects, at least you know where you stand and it's easy to plan for. It may just mean sneaking in the protein powder where you can, using lean meat in his taco, etc., or maybe just making extra of your meal and allowing him to try it each time. Granted he may like chicken salad today, and not tomorrow, but at least you got it in him today.

Caroltoo 2012-05-01 19:21:07 -0500 Report

He seems to be taking this seriously today. Last night he said he knew I was trying to help him stay healthy (moot point, but didn't contest it), so would try. He had the egg this morning. By lunch the onions in the scramble had hurt his stomach, so he was uncomfortable and cramping. Even so, he was game to keep on with the new regime.

Ate his ear of corn that he had asked me to save last night and ate about 1/4 cup of vegetable, sausage, and ground beef spaghetti "stew" I had just made. I put mine on a quinoa and corn spaghetti; he doesn't eat spaghetti, so I served his as stew. He thanked me for giving him some.

I'm afraid, since I use lots of onions, that he will have a bigger bellyache by dinner time. Will give him his bowl of cereal with no debate. He's asleep now with a pain pill. Now that I know, I'll skip onions in his meals. Wonder if that has been part of the problem and he just hasn't found the words to tell me before now.

Nick1962 2012-05-01 20:35:16 -0500 Report

From his perspective, I would think he's re-learning every day. That has to be hard for both of you. I make a lot of concessions (as does my wife) to diets. I won't eat lamb or ox tails (her favorites), and she is very picky about fish. Once every 2 months or so we make it a rule to go out for these things. I call it a love concessions. I'll cook her smelly ox tail, but she has to deal with my blackened catfish smell that same night. Yup, it's extra work, but we sleep soundly at night.

Caroltoo 2012-05-02 02:19:31 -0500 Report

Some things he relearns multiple times in a day; others he holds on to. I'm amazed that he retains his responsiveness and very consistent desire to make things easier for me. I try hard not to misuse that; it is a special gift between us.

Turns out he was frightened at lunchtime because he is still processing the fact that I am looking for work; change is difficult. Physicallly, he felt better this afternoon. He had a good, healthy dinner tonight and sat and watched a little TV with me this evening and is now sleeping soundly … another crisis now passed.

Nick1962 2012-05-02 07:53:10 -0500 Report

I can understand that. I've become accustomed to my world and would hope I have control to maintain it as it is in my comfort zone. Change to me now is just a minor offront to that comfort bubble. I can't imagine having to be dependant on my wife to maintain it for me.

Caroltoo 2012-05-02 14:13:45 -0500 Report

Yes, I'm sure the loss of control is a big issue. This is a man who has had the responsibility for large congregations, starting up missions in other countries, starting a couple of businesses here in the states, and always helping others.

I make a real effort to offer him choices … admittedly they are ones that I think are safe for him, but they are still choices. It's a small thing, but gives him the allusion of some impact on his life circumstances. Even when I have made decisions about where we are going or how I will do something, I sit down and discuss it with him so he has involvement. I know him well enough to know what he will choose, so take him things that I know are safely within his realm of experience. Occasionally, he comes up with an alternative I haven't thought of and we do it, so this is a real process, not just something proforma.

I haven't talked much about going back to work because he has such a distorted sense of time that he thinks it should have already happened. That puts pressure on me, because the HR process takes time and feels like a real downer to keep saying: no, haven't heard anything yet, promise I'll let you know when I do.

The other reason I've not talked much about it to him is that he does get panicky about the details of his life. I have a neighbor who is going to come in at lunch time. He likes her, but is still having trouble with the idea that I won't always be there. Guess it has given him more of a sense of safety than I realized it had. Maybe I just need to sell my house and quit fighting this battle of income. With our retirement funds, I could just be with him.

Nick1962 2012-05-02 16:11:00 -0500 Report

Sounds like one of life's crossroads for both of you. My impression is you're not ready to tackle retirement yet. Is a reverse mortgage something to look at? It's income, but the bank ends up owning the house in the end (unless you planned it for inheritance).

Caroltoo 2012-05-02 16:18:23 -0500 Report

I've thought about reverse mortgage, but I think at some point I may have to live near my son and then the equity will come in handy. Also, if I should die before Wayne, the equity is what will allow him to live near my son in a carehome.

No, I'm much to busy/active/alive to retire yet. This was fun for a while, but I'm getting really bored and want to work. My age is against me, but less so than it will be in a few more years, so this seems like the best time. I have several applications out, so we will see. Selling in June is my fallback position. Thank goodness we have equity and the market here is good.

Nick1962 2012-05-03 09:13:27 -0500 Report

It seems you're in a place where you're almost forced to make a leap of faith and trust the maker has you covered.

Caroltoo 2012-05-03 11:44:17 -0500 Report

That's basically the point I have also arrived at also. So much comes together in the next 6-8 weeks that I feel like it's pushing the window. I'm trying to cover the options, but much of it is just trust because it has always worked out when I've trusted.

Caroltoo 2012-05-03 16:47:01 -0500 Report

Yes, it definitely morphed. Guess I needed to talk with someone. I feel so alone in this decision making process. Thanks for listening.

Caroltoo 2012-05-03 21:46:34 -0500 Report

Thanks, Nick, I may do that. I also may reread that and see if it's too personal to leave as is. This was one of those discussions that just "happened", as they sometimes do.

Nick1962 2012-05-09 14:36:30 -0500 Report

Nothing there that most of the regulars don't already know. My inbox is always open. Sometimes different eyes see different things.

Caroltoo 2012-05-09 15:35:18 -0500 Report

Yes, I reread it a couple days ago and decided it was ok to leave. I'm still thinking through my options, but have started cleaning/tossing/sorting in case I decide to sell cause I will act quickly once I've made the decision. Garage Sale this Saturday. Still hoping for response to one of the applications I submitted. If positive, then I've just done some much needed reorganization.

Nick1962 2012-05-09 18:30:56 -0500 Report

Sometimes a good purge can make a house feel almost brand new. Somehow frees up the mind and spirit as well. Fingers crossed on the application for you!

Caroltoo 2012-05-09 19:52:01 -0500 Report

Yes, I've collected toooooo much stuff. Can't imagine why I ever felt I needed all of it.

Ref application: :)

Caroltoo 2012-05-01 03:19:10 -0500 Report

Doesn't get as tough and dry, also conserves a few more vitamins that would be inactivated at prolonged high heat.

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