Interesting Information...Healthcare Around The World

By MAYS Latest Reply 2012-04-09 23:30:52 -0500
Started 2012-04-04 11:31:55 -0500

Here is a very interesting piece of information concerning Healthcare Around the World.

Although this article was last updated on September 22, 2011, it has some very valid points to the subject of discussion as well as provides some information that is not commonly known.

The US is the only industrialized country that does not have universal health care for all its citizens. (As of the publication of this article 09.22.2011)

There are programs for the elderly, military service families, the disabled, children and some poor through programs such as Medicare, Medicaid and so on, but some 45 million Americans go uninsured each year while another 25 million Americans go “underinsured”. With the worsening global financial crisis hitting America hard, more are likely to lose medical insurance which is often associated with a job.

The US does, however, through Federal law provide public access to emergency services, regardless of ability to pay. However, the emergency services system has sometimes felt strain due to patients being unable to pay for emergency services and many who cannot afford regular health care either use emergency services for treatment, or let otherwise preventable conditions get worse, requiring emergency treatment.

The New York Times reports that life expectancy disparities are mirroring the widening incoming inequality in recent decades. Other health issues that are pronounced in the US, such as obesity, high cost of medical drugs, lack of access for large numbers of people, have been concerns for many years.

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What do you think?


21 replies

TsalagiLenape 2012-04-09 06:30:17 -0500 Report

As one who knows, I do. Thus its important if you can you should vote. Get our politicians off their butts and do something. I would scrub toilets just to have medical. Needless to say, I am not afraid of hard work at all. Thus if I had a chicken I'd give it to the doctor for my health care like in the old days. Or in the villages the people took care of the medicine man/woman with food and etc. Just a thought. Hugs

Bamberg 2012-04-05 07:41:33 -0500 Report

I think it's a disgrace and a scandal that we do not have universal health care.

jayabee52 2012-04-05 14:56:53 -0500 Report

I am of the opposite opinion. the current bill which is currently before the supreme court re the federal mandate that someone MUST buy insurance is IMO clearly unconstitutional.

It is one step closer to socialized medicine and from that comes defacto rationing of healthcare because our healthcare system is not set up to handle that kind of pressure from patients. Drs are fleeing the system, retiring early or new med students are not signing up to become Drs. Now to be constitutional the feds need to get out of the business of medical insurance and leave the solution to the states. Medical care is not one of the "enumerated powers" granted to the fed. govt. The constitution says that if it is not one of the enumerated powers then that power is passed on to the state level to regulate it.

I think that every administration seeks to make its power greater, which leads to over-reaching and trashing the constitution in some instances. Our 1st amendment freedoms (speech, religion, and association) are now in danger of being drasticly limited IMHO. But that is a whole other discussion!

Bamberg 2012-04-06 00:52:06 -0500 Report

The idea that we can't have universal health care because there aren't enough doctors is just not acceptable. I hear alot about doctors getting out of the system but I think it's mostly talk. What does putting too much pressure on the system actually mean? Does it mean that if everyone is taken care of then those of us who are better off won't get the quality of care that we are used to? How can we not want to have a healthcare system that doesn't let anyone fall through the cracks? And those that don't think they need health insurance will not forgo it if they become ill or are injured. They will simply go to an emergency room and let you and I pay for it.

jayabee52 2012-04-06 14:27:59 -0500 Report

"The idea that we can't have universal health care because there aren't enough doctors is just not acceptable." It may not be acceptable to you but it is a fact of life for us all!

I don't know the answers to this problem but I suspect that the way the current health care law under consideration in the SCOTUS right now is not the right way.

And those who DO go to the ER do get seen, so while I don't necessarily like paying for their medical care they DO receive healthcare of some kind. So they may not be insured, but they do have healthcare.

annesmith 2012-04-06 01:18:51 -0500 Report

Makes sense..I just read a news article that says Europe is appalled at America's lack of universal health care. I am kind of confused myself. I would think there are plenty of doctors, but, I have a really good friend who says those doctors will get burned out with universal health care. My friend swears by the Bible that those of us who are currently getting high quality care will not get good care under a universal health care. He says he thinks universal is a great idea, but not realistic if everybody is to get high quality care. He says people will be standing in long lines, and that there will be a lot of quacks for doctors. The emergency room is so darned expensive…something has to be done in my strong's getting to the point now where lots of people are afraid to go to the emergency room or they limit going to the doctor to once every year and a half. When we all wait too long, then, we can come down with pnemonia, vitamin deficiencies, etc. A good good friend of mine who had an untreated hernia 3 years ago called 911 one night because he was in very severe pain..they took him to the emergency room, and operated on his hernia at some point. 3 weeks later he's home , and he went and got his mail in his mailbox. He came back inside his house, sat down and read his hospital bill—it was SO huge ( and he had Blue Cross), that after he read it, it literally made him sick—he got chest pains, extreme anxiety, and he called 911 again—seriously..he put the bill down on his table, felt like hell after reading it, and called them again..OH, I felt sorry for him. Something needs to be done, as I'm 41 years old, going to be 42 this summer, and am hanging on to my youth—however, I am diabetic, early heart disease. ANNE

jayabee52 2012-04-06 14:42:22 -0500 Report

Europe is appalled at our freedoms also, but to whom do they come when they need protection from tyrannical governments? The USofA! Of course socialism in Europe has been creeping in ever since WW2 and so thay is why they are now appalled.

I had a similar situation to the one you describe Anne, when my kidneys quit working on me. I had no insurance and I ran up some $80 K in medical bills. It was a really tough time in my life. But even though I had no insurance, I still got medical care (mainly dialysis) which added another $70 K to my medical bills. I felt I had no choice but to file for bankruptcy.

I now have medicare, though I am not yet 65 due to the congress and president signing a bill which had a provision in it granting folks with End Stage Renal Disease (ESRD) an automatic disability. Socialism is creeping here too. It is just taking longer because of our constitution blocks much of its progress.

annesmith 2012-04-08 01:57:58 -0500 Report

I imagine it was seriously difficult for you when your kidneys quit working. That's why I thank God each and every night, before I go to bed, and even in the daytime, that I have good kidneys. I am happy that you lived through all of the kidney problems, and it sounds like you are doing well today. Sincerely, ANNE

jayabee52 2012-04-08 02:25:26 -0500 Report

Yes it was seriously difficult for me and I stongly considered not returning to dialysis to continue treatment and just let the poisons build up in my bloodstream and slowly kill me.

Fortunately I did not due to my wanting not to give my sons a bad example by giving up when the times for me were tough. And I was blessed richly within the course of a year after my kidneys quitting with a reversal of everything which had been going wrong for me.

Actually Anne, I am now right on the verge of going back on dialysis, but I have been hanging on like that for about 1 yr. I pray I'll be able to stay off indefinitely but there's still the possibility that I'll have to return to dialysis. I will know more about my return to dialysis when I see my renal specialist toward the middle of this month.

annesmith 2012-04-09 00:26:20 -0500 Report

You are on the verge of going back on kidney dialysis…oh, my gosh. How stressful!! Again, it makes me so thankful for my good health. Yeah, I'm a brittle diabetic, but that's really no big deal, as I have what they call I think moderate to optimal kidney function. I have to be careful, though, as when I was 4 years old I had a severe kidney infection that left me in bed for a whole month..good luck, and I'll be praying for you…sincerely, ANNE

jayabee52 2012-04-09 05:12:47 -0500 Report

Thank you Anne! Yes, I have been like this for a little over a year. I don't let it stress me as I have been on HemoDialysis (HD) once before, and have maintained my "fistula" access just in case that happens, so I am ready to go when its needed. Since I've "been there done that" I don't fear HD.

I pray you'll keep your Kidney functions strong. and won't meed dialysis of any kind.

Bamberg 2012-04-07 17:55:49 -0500 Report

So, you benefit from this creeping socialism while you condemn it? Bankruptcy is a necessary option in any modern society but it is still passing your bills off to others. What would be so terrible about a universal, single payer health system? I have lived in England, Germany (in the military) and the United States. The only area that the English don't have the same rights we do is weaponry. In fact I have the option of living in England now, but I won't give up my guns. In every other respect this 'creeping socialism' has not lessened anyones rights.

jayabee52 2012-04-08 01:19:52 -0500 Report

not YET, but IMO the loss of rights is coming! Just give it time! And it DOES impinge upon the 2nd amendment too. All the gun control laws!

And yes, you are right I do have a bit of a disconnect there when I am on medicare yet rail on socialized medicine. A bit of an oxymoron.

I just don't want to lose any more of my constitutional rights, like may happen with this law requiring all insurers to provide birth control pills, morning after pills, and abortions even though the organizations (mostly church bodies) have a longstanding oppositionto providing such medications and services. That is clearly a violation of our first amendment of the constitution — a violation of our freedom of our religion.

That would mean that if I was an insured in a church run insurance company I would be COMPELLED by the federal govt to pay for meds and services which are abhorrent to me personally and went against deeply held religious beliefs. That IMO would shred the first amendment of the constitution.

Bamberg 2012-04-08 22:15:12 -0500 Report

A single payer plan would eliminate the religious objection because the employer would be removed from the equation. Otherwise you could have the Jehovah's Witnesses refusing to cover blood transfusions.

jayabee52 2012-04-09 05:20:21 -0500 Report

no it wouldn't for me since as a taxpayer I would have to pay for it. That would be abhorrent to me.

Jehovah's witnesses will not personally take blood transfusions so that is in reality a red-herring argument.

They seem to have no problem with others taking blood transfusions, so it is a moot point. For me abortions are a destruction of human life before it has a chance to live or do anything. That destruction is morally abhorrent to me.

Bamberg 2012-04-09 08:01:42 -0500 Report

I think the abortion issue is a red herring. The pro-life advocates set the bar so high that they will never get what they want, if they actually want it. When people want to deny the morning after pill to a rape victim, and won't settle for anything less, it's hard to take them seriously.

jayabee52 2012-04-09 18:32:29 -0500 Report

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I am firmly prolife and we could go round and round about it. But I don't want to get disagreeable about it so I will just stop responding to this thread.