Type 2 cure

JSJB
By JSJB Latest Reply 2015-05-11 22:14:03 -0500
Started 2012-03-25 05:29:08 -0500

Just heard on the news this morning the doctors have an operation that will cure type 2 diabetes. It involves transfering the illium(?spelling) from the bottom of the intestines to the top which helps being more insulin sensative. Doctors in South America have had success with this operation and the operation was performed in the us. They are waiting to see the results. Can it be true????


51 replies

frog1951
frog1951 2015-05-11 00:43:12 -0500 Report

I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in 1983. It has progressed and the drugs have had to change for me to stay in control. I am now running in the 10's on my A1C. I went on a doctor monitored diet. I was eating salads and protein shake. In a 10 week period i only lost 3 pounds. My A1C did not change any and I was basically on a starvation diet. If this is the best that the medical profession can do, it is a sad situation. The diabetic diet has changed well over 30 times since I was diagnosed. I am sick of everyone blaming diabetes on weight. I have gained weight because of the insulin. My diet has not been 100% but I have tried to stay as close as possible. Why is it that doctors only know how to stuff you with drugs or cut on your body. I have a real slow metabolism - I exercise daily and eat reasonably. My Endocrinologist has no clue. I am only allowed to see a NP not a MD. The place I go is the only game in town. I guess diabetes will cut my life short and I feel it is because researchers and medical professionals look in all the wrong direction (controlled by Pharmaceuticals) so they can make money. No one is looking at the individual. Studies only use a few hundred and they are selectively picked so the do what the test is required. What I am saying is that there will never be a cure for diabetes and it is a huge money maker and greed has kept a cure from every getting into the system. I believe they have the cure but refuse to give it out. If they cured diabetes many will be out of work. It is a sad situation in that no one wants a cure. Treatments make money, cures do not.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2015-05-11 05:12:22 -0500 Report

Howdy Frog
I do not agree that a cure exists, however I agree with you that diabetes can be a money maker for the Drs and Big Pharma. However there are a few Drs who seem to get it and promote a way of diabetes control which does not involve drugs, needles or cutting. Consider these 2 videos where the Dr. seems to help manage the disease. Video #1: ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1vvigy5tQ&a... Dr Sarah Hallberg board certified in both obesity medicine and internal medicine and has a Master’s Degree in Exercise Physiology.

Video #2: ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a2Fsfa8e4I&a... where Dr Jason Fung, a kidney specialist tells about his work with people with metabolic syndrome (= T 2 diabetes) and how he suggests fasting may be a good way of managing it.

Take a look at these and I beiieve that they show ways not to "cure" diabetes but to reverse it so it is no longer a problem for people who are cursed with metabolic syndrome.

God's best to you

James

cavie2
cavie2 2012-03-27 15:00:06 -0500 Report

This has been on a discussion before and I live in Scotland UK and this operation was performed in Scotland on a female patiient with success I wrote all this on the other discussion. Now I cannot remember the name of it but copied the article from the internet and pasted it in my reply. There was something in it that mentioned that you had to have had T2 for so many years and be over a certain age. The discussion I am talking about was in here last year but I cannot even remember the month. Sorry I cannot be of further help, can only suggest you try going through all the conversations from say last December till August 2010

JSJB
JSJB 2012-03-28 03:38:52 -0500 Report

Just by saying what you did was help. They are still talking about it on the news and it does seem promising. I guess anything that suggests a cure or some help is better than nothing. It is for type 2 obese diabetics and has something to do with removing a portion of the stomach. I am still pre diagnosed and keeping my sugar reading in around 100 to 130. So to me it is nice to know about these news items. One woman was given the operation in the US. Now they have to wait and see how successful it will be. Thanks for you reply.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-03-27 15:57:59 -0500 Report

oh my! That's a lot of stuff to sift through!

cavie2
cavie2 2012-03-28 05:58:50 -0500 Report

J you little tinker, it will keep them busy for a while. Like children some people need something to occupy themselves or they get into mischief. As you soooo well know, you little mischief maker. hahaha

svengali35
svengali35 2012-03-27 10:37:43 -0500 Report

I heard a couple of years ago that somewhere in Europe they were having success with removing a portion of the intestine right after the stomach. In this surgery they remove the majority of the stomach and the same portion of the intestine… Im not afraid of the knife … Im in.

jannehel
jannehel 2012-03-27 08:26:34 -0500 Report

An extreme eight-week diet of 600 calories a day can reverse Type 2 diabetes in people newly diagnosed with the disease, says a Diabetologia study.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13887909

jannehel
jannehel 2015-05-11 22:14:03 -0500 Report

Three year later I am free of my type 2-diabetes. I am a new man. I am a lot lighter and even a more happy person. We were six people in the project and three of four that needed insulin are now off all of the diabetes medicin. We are now working to start new groups in project 600 all over Sweden. We change lives. First we lose weight (all insulin was taken away the first day of the project), then we learnt how to cook a healthy food and we started to exercise and most important we got to learn about how our minds works when you change lifestyle.
It is intensive, fun and very successful!

cavie2
cavie2 2012-03-27 15:02:09 -0500 Report

That is a dangerously low amount of daily calories

jannehel
jannehel 2012-03-27 15:55:52 -0500 Report

yes, it's not too many calories. I still feel that I must try. In a few weeks, I and five other people with diabetes will go on 600 calories a day for a month. Thereafter, exercise and cooking classes focused on the Mediterranean diet. In the following year we will be followed by a doctor and diabetes nurse and be able to support each other in the group. Hopefully this leads to some of us do not have any diabetes symptoms at all and the rest get a proper weight loss and improved blood pressure and improve blood lipids.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-03-27 14:41:08 -0500 Report

I remember looking at that study last year sometime and discovering that that study was heavily flawed (the lead researcher admitted as much) in that it was only done on 11 subjects, wasn't a double blind study, and there had not been any follow-up on how the subjects were faring now. I consider that study to be mostly discredited, IMHO.

jannehel
jannehel 2012-03-27 16:07:53 -0500 Report

think the idea that a substantial deficit of energy is one of the mechanisms that underlie the ability to reverse diabetes. I have previously tried other diets and now I want to try this, although I am not sure of coping with it.

jannehel
jannehel 2012-03-28 05:02:47 -0500 Report

Losing weight fast is my goal as well. We do not die of diabetes itself. We die of heart disease or stroke as a result of the fat and excess weight.

frog1951
frog1951 2015-05-11 00:46:53 -0500 Report

Weight does not cause diabetes - in my case I was in good shape when diagnosed. I have gained due to the fact that Insulin is a hormone and will cause weight gain - in my case the weight came later and not the case or affect of my diabetes. Stop blaming weight as there are many many other factors that affect diabetes - stress - family history, and other things. Actually no one knows what causes diabetes and weight is only a risk factor not the cause.

jannehel
jannehel 2012-05-31 15:42:43 -0500 Report

Now, after 4 weeks on VLCD and 3 weeks eating Mediterranean inspired food I have lost weight, about 15kg. I feel, better, younger and very healthy. :-)

alanab
alanab 2012-04-24 16:40:52 -0500 Report

You don't have to be overweight, either, to have a stroke or a heart attack. I am and always have been at a healthy weight, and had a stroke.

jannehel
jannehel 2012-04-24 17:30:12 -0500 Report

We are 6 type 2 diabetic patients, 4 men and 2 women who are now on a 4 week VLCD- diet, a maximum of 600 calories per day.

Eleven days after diet start, all 6 participants could terminate their previous medications and sugar values ​​are still under control. However, note that a diet like this requires that you have an active dialogue with your doctor about how to deal with medication based on their glucose levels.

All of us are motivated for a lifestyle change and support each other in an amazing way and so far it looks very positive.

I'm filming parts of it, below is a small trailer. During a break trying to film crew try my motivation. (Sorry about, that the film is in Swedish, but I think you will get the idea)

http://vimeo.com/40359550

Caroltoo
Caroltoo 2012-04-24 20:46:58 -0500 Report

Thanks for sharing the video. Sounds very promising for you, if you are all off medications already.

Caroltoo
Caroltoo 2012-04-24 20:45:41 -0500 Report

Thanks for sharing the video. Sounds very promising for you, if you are all off medications already.

jannehel
jannehel 2012-04-25 17:41:04 -0500 Report

Yes, with one exeption everybody are off meditation.

Today was the weigh-in at a medical center in Stockholm. my weight was minus 2.0 kg, for the last week and a total of two weeks was minus 5.7 kg. I also got really low fasting sugar levels in the mornings. One of the guys in the group could stop three out of four medications for blood pressure. Right now everything feels so good. See you!

2manypricks
2manypricks 2012-03-26 18:45:39 -0500 Report

Not too sure if i believe this but Im sure the cure is right under our nose. Ive heard of eating a lot of Cilantro can lower your sugar. Also juicing bitter melon for only a month. Have not attempted these but my sugars have gone up up and up i just might consider :(

JSJB
JSJB 2012-03-27 03:26:24 -0500 Report

It was on the news last night and this morning it involves a stomach operation. I guess what flipmom said it is gastric bypass.

flipmom
flipmom 2012-03-26 15:36:16 -0500 Report

gastric bypass has been proven to cure diabetes… but insurance wont do it if you have diabetes and not mobidly obese…

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-03-26 16:42:33 -0500 Report

The best figures on using surgery to "cure" diabetes is 70% are able to discontinue (D/C) their diabetes meds.

The rate of "cure" varies by proceedure done. And one who has the procedure done must follow the restrictions laid down to maintain their weight and not cheat.

If they cheat they start gaining weight (an acquaintence of mine had the bypass done and is now gaining weight again, cause she's cheating). And once the weight is back there is the posibility that their diabetes comes back. That is maintainence, not a cure IMHO.

JSJB
JSJB 2012-03-26 16:50:02 -0500 Report

It was a short clip on the news but they will have to wait to see how good it is.
They did operate on someone in the us. I am new to this condition and didn't realize that so many procedures were done. I guess it is just like a organ transplant, you will always have to be carefull and take pills to stop your body from rejecting it.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2012-03-26 09:28:47 -0500 Report

Hmmm that sounds very interesting. Messing with the intestines is tricky business though and I am not sure I would be willing to do that. But if it shows promise, that is a great step in the right direction.

Do you recall what station was doing this story? I would love to have it posted in the video or news section.

JSJB
JSJB 2012-03-26 15:11:07 -0500 Report

The station is WPVI channel 6 in Philadelphia.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-03-26 15:25:37 -0500 Report

Might this be the link to the story? ~ http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/video?id=8040680

JSJB
JSJB 2012-03-26 16:54:01 -0500 Report

No they reported that it has been successful in ———— South America. I guess I better pay more attention when the news is on.

Bamberg
Bamberg 2012-03-25 14:27:16 -0500 Report

I remember about 15 years ago the media was trumpeting a dead- nuts cure for cancer based on the ability of Thalidomide to prevent cardiogenesis. Obviously it didn't work. Would have been nice though.

JSJB
JSJB 2012-03-26 03:42:21 -0500 Report

This might be the same turmpeter but it does give you hope that something is being done to either cure or help people with this condition. So we will have to wait and see.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-03-25 11:04:04 -0500 Report

I don't know if it may be true, only time will really tell. Unfortunately quite often the media doesn't get it quite right.

annesmith
annesmith 2012-03-27 00:58:49 -0500 Report

I believe that surgery is a good way to put the diabetes into a " state" of reversal for awhile, or even a long time. I think it is great, however, what about type 2 diabetics that are thin? Not all type 2's are obese. It's a big positive, but, I believe a cure is pretty far off. Only God knows of course. I know an elderly man that was type 1 since childhood, and by playing tennis very very hard and eating only greens and nuts , he reduced his insulin way way down. He put it into a " state" of type 2. I don't know…I honestly believe most of diabetes is genetic first, then lifestyle second, and until they find the root of the cause, we'll all still be dealing with it..ha…ANNE

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