Is Life itself Now Becoming a Disease?

By MAYS Latest Reply 2012-04-04 09:53:59 -0500
Started 2012-03-22 13:06:20 -0500

I would really appreciate an opinion from everyone who reads this discussion, it doesn't matter what your opinion is, it will be greatly appreciated.

It now seems (IMHO) that every time we turn around, something is being "classified" as a disease.

Things that were once considered a part of life, whether it was good, or bad, socially, or economically caused (or) related are now being classified as diseases!

Domestic violence, child abuse, alcoholism, child molestation, attention deficit disorder, anger manifestation, depression, sexual addiction…the list goes on, and on, and on.

What actually is a disease?
The definition (from is listed below:

dis·ease   /dɪˈziz/ Show Spelled [dih-zeez] Show IPA noun, verb, -eased, -eas·ing.

1. a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.

2. any abnormal condition in a plant that interferes with its vital physiological processes, caused by pathogenic microorganisms, parasites, unfavorable environmental, genetic, or nutritional factors, etc.

3. any harmful, depraved, or morbid condition, as of the mind or society: His fascination with executions is a disease.

4. decomposition of a material under special circumstances: tin disease.

Let's focus on the first and third definitions because they are medically related, (IMHO) the third definition should be excluded, why (?) should a fascination, or an obsession to anything be considered a disease?

If I like making love physically, is that a disease,or is it "human" nature?
A desire to eat uncontrollably is a disease, why not a love for food?

Having an obsession with buying anything in excess, (shoes, cars, and jewelry) is considered a disease, why can't it be a desire to have more of what you love?
Having too much love or too little love for anyone, or anything is also a sickness, (how do you measure it?) meaning that "Love" itself is now a disease!

Does giving birth to more than 2 or 3 children mean that "you" have a disease, that you have "toomanychildrenitis", is it fatal, can you infect others?

Does working hard, or working too many hours to make the amount of money that is necessary for you to survive, or at least to acquire those very things that you want, or "desire" (which is also a disease) now a disease?

If you walk around smiling, at peace, happy with your life, or if because of some circumstances in your life you are frowning, sad, maybe even depressed, you are now considered to have some form of some disease, and believe it or not, there is some sort of medication that can be prescribed to you for it!

Seriously speaking, let's get back to the first definition of disease, I remember when getting sick, physically sick in some manner, was a matter of my body not responding as a human body should, to something, maybe a germ or two!

Doctors orders were, get some rest, take this medication and call me in the morning!

Now "everything" is a disease in, and of its own!

We now have an obsession with being classified with having something.
Place a label on me, I have this disease, and\or that disease.
Living itself has now become a disease, a convenient excuse to find a niche to fit in for acceptance, (the posh thing to do) or better yet, classification!

Maybe I have a disease for writing, posting videos, starting discussions, and wanting to help others here.
Be very careful; don't get too close, it may be contagious!


52 replies

jayabee52 2012-04-04 03:22:58 -0500 Report

Howdy mays

I got the following article in my yahoo inbox today and my mind jumped to this discussion and I thought I'd share it with everyone here ~ It says much of what you've been saying in this discussion.

joe986475 2012-04-04 06:38:31 -0500 Report

Justbkeep fighting it day to day and don't let it get u down,thats how I cope with all these problems otherwise life would be useless at 76 years olde LOL

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-25 17:49:36 -0500 Report

Mays in retrospect, I am glad that there are so many diseases. This means people can get treatment.

People who chose to stay and those who did not have the means to leave as well as many who were abandoned at the stadium during Katrina will possibly have lasting effects because of what they suffered through. People in the flood waters were in water contaminated with sewage, chemicals, gas, oil, run off from farms, rotting corpses and who knows what else. No one knows what medical conditions they will have in the long run.

Children and women who suffer abuse over long periods can in the end suffer from it. They will need counseling.

Police Officers, and Firefighters face death almost daily. We don't know how many may be receiving treatment.

People working in factories and warehouses handling who knows what can end up with cancer, emphysema, asbestosis or injury.

Soldiers coming back from war have medical and psychological problems.

You question this. What if there were all these diseases and absolutely no treatment for any of them?

MAYS 2012-03-26 12:31:17 -0500 Report

I don't object to the diseases, just the continous classification of just about every human behavior as a disease, sooner or later breathing will be labeled a disease!
In some instances it already has been!
Some things are just "Human" by nature, explanation needed, but nonetheless sought!

MAYS 2012-03-24 10:46:31 -0500 Report

A serious catch-22;

Rape and murder are two very serious crimes.
In one, an individuals body is physically violated, possibly resulting in mental, physical and emotional anquish of which no prescribed medication can ever heal,
In the other, a life is extinquished, no explanation is needed, it's a violation of an individuals right to life, a "God" given right that no one has a right to violate.

Two capital offense crimes, which are continuosly argued as possibly carried out as a result of uncontrollable situations in a persons life, possibly in their childhood or early adult life, thereby categorizing the action as a result of a "disease" mental and (or) emotional in nature!

Arguments that the "crimes" are excusable because they are the results of "mental diseases" does not excuse the crime!
Psychiatric evaluations, months or even years of study and isolation, countless medications and eventually the release of the individual back into society.

Courtesy of the "Disease" classification!
The crime is ignored, possibly forgotten and life goes on for someone.

Does the same apply to the family of the murdered victim, or the victim of a rape?
(Both must now endure a mental anquish of their own for life)
Who determines and validates the authenticity of the disease in each individual case?
We tell one another what we want you to know, hoping that you will believe it.

Commit a crime and blame it on your upbringing, tie it to a traumatic event in your life, "I kill because my goldfish died when I was a child," or "I rape because my mother didn't love me as a child."

It doesn't excuse the crime, but once it is classified as the result of a disease, it changes the outcome of the fact and minimizes the crime!

Disease classifications are now providing a way for us to escape ownership for whatever it is that we do in life, an "out" of sorts, an excuse, lets blame it on the disease.

"The Devil made me do it" never sounded better.


Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-26 14:29:03 -0500 Report

Mays once you commit a crime, you can't take it back. If the person is found insane at the time of the crime, the criminal is not responsible. Does this mean he goes free, no. He is still arrested and sent to a psychiatric prison. My state has one and people stay there until they are able to participate in their trial or until they are fit to return back to society.

Rape is a crime of power and control. Prior to the use of DNA, rape was a hard crime to prove. The person in most cases does not have control of his life. Many rapist were often abused as children, often severely. I know you don't want to accept it but abuse be it physical or mental over a long period of time can harm a person. I had a neighbor who took her daughter and had her sterilized when she was 12. When she learned of this at 14 she had a nervous breakdown and never fully recovered. She has suffered all kinds of mental health issues and will have them for the rest of her life. She has been in and out of jail for drug abuse. Her mother did this because she was the only daughter who hated playing with dolls.

My cousin did the same thing to her daughter. The difference is she was older when she found out and it took over 10 years before she could speak to her mother but she never got into trouble.

It is true that people use abuse as a defense when committing crimes. However, do we know how extensive the abuse was? We didn't live with them when they were growing up. Finally, children who were abused can go in one of two directions. A life of being better than their parents were or a life of crime.

Set apart
Set apart 2012-03-24 07:41:21 -0500 Report

Mays okay guilty as charged, I have numerous diseases, lol. I can't eat cheetos or choose not to, along with other foods, so I go buy a new top or shoes along with a lipstick to match. Then that means I have a new disease! You should see my closet!!!!

On a serious note you're right about the overuse and the need for humans to place a label on a certain behavior. One of the saddest place that this takes place is in the schools when a Kindergarten student can't sit in a desk for hours and is labeled ADHD! Our society is using drugs as a cop out for their own failures. Bring back the arts and recess, along with QUALITY PE into our schools and get rid of prescription drugs! Sorry went off! I do agree with you!

MAYS 2012-03-26 09:11:21 -0500 Report

Set Apart,
Very well stated, I agree with you 100%!
Physical Education and Sex Ed. are both being phased out of the teaching curriculum in many shool districts nationwide, parents need to question "why?" and demand that they be reinstated, along with a few other courses such "home economics" and "Political Science and Structure of the U.S.A".

ADHD is a joke, many children are labeled as such, a label that they carry into adulthood, wearing it proudly as a badge of honor, not realizing that it can do more harm than good on their plans to accomplish much of what they may want to in life, all because they have been "branded" as a child!

Don't feel sorry about "Going Off" it's what's needed at times to jump start a revolution of sorts, or at least to enliven a discussion, either way I accept it!
Thank you for taking the time to respond to this discussion.


Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-24 21:30:21 -0500 Report

Set, I agree, kids are labeled in Kindergarten and this follows them throughout school and college. I once told the State Senator for my district to stop referring to our kids as underprivileged. I told her they have privilege and that the resources available to them are under served. Labeling them as underprivileged makes them believe they are never going to advance any further than they are and that there are no opportunities for them to advance in life.

There are so many kids out here labeled as ADHD who aren't. The problem is they were never disciplined or taught how to behave at home or they are ignored at home and the only way they know how to get attention is to act out.

Set apart
Set apart 2012-03-25 08:07:42 -0500 Report

Just Joyce you are so right another thing that is happening now to our kids is that the curriculum is maybe be scripted in Kindergarten and students are having to sit for hours at a time. They don't have the attention span nor the interest. Adults have a hard time sitting imagine a 5 or 6 year old. They begin to lose interest at such a young age, are placed on meds, and as result will perform the behavior expected of them, which is usually negative! It's so sad, what is happening in our schools! Maybe our lawmakers will finally see it and we will have quality teaching again! Teachers are under so much pressure, cuz they also have to make sure their children perform! I guess this is all off the topic, OOPs!

MAYS 2012-03-26 09:14:27 -0500 Report

Off topic?
Never that, it shows the "broadness" of the topic, creating more, and more labels for diseases, creates more and more problems further down the line in life.

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2012-03-23 18:24:50 -0500 Report

It's not my fault I have (insert newly clssified disease here).
Over the years I have learned many reasons to justify actions with medical rationals.
My childhood was marred by the dysfunctional family unit I was born into. Not that my parents tried their best and messed up now and then.
ADHD means an ADHD coworker can forget to perform any part of their job they chose, but I cannot be passive agressive in my reactions.
Mays, I like that you suffer from Assistittis. And yes, I do believe you are highly communicable..

MAYS 2012-03-26 09:18:53 -0500 Report

It's not your fault, not by a long shot.
We don't create the diseases or the labels, we are just the recipients of such.
I kind of like having "assistittis" I just hope that it isn't fatal to me or anyone else!

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-25 17:41:17 -0500 Report

Graylin my boss is ADHD and is hyper a lot of the time. I am capable of performing more than one task at a time. She can't and doesn't like for me to do this. If I didn't my work would never get done.

CaliKo 2012-03-23 13:41:11 -0500 Report

Thought-provoking as usual, Mays. You must be one of those people that are enjoyable to sit and talk to for hours and hours.
Anyway, I'd say the short answer is moderation and self-control. When your behavior isn't a choice, then there's a problem, that's the fine line. Is compulsion a disease? And go further, are we just talking about humans or is that mean dog that bites everyone 'diseased' ? I lean towards compulsions being mental malfunctions. Not exactly a disease because the organ isn't being damaged (not including tumors or such that affect behavior) I just don't want to think that people choose to live compulsively, whether the compulsions are evil or just different. I'd much rather see therapy used to treat malfunctions rather than medicine whenever possible.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-23 15:10:56 -0500 Report

I totally agree with you. Compulsive behavior is a mental disorder that over time will require the person to require treatment. This doesn't mean the person is has a disease it simply means the person does not have the capability to stop the compulsion alone. Any desire can become a compulsion/obsession for some people at any time.

MAYS 2012-03-23 13:55:46 -0500 Report

Caliko, I agree with you 100%.

Many of the things that I have listed above are now being classified as diseases, which in eality, they aren't, they are as you say "mental malfunctions" not diseases.
I agree with you about moderation and self control, compulsion is not a disease, but what factors (statistically) determine what is compulsive?

Putting extra raisins and walnuts in your oatmeal cookie mix doesn't mean that you have a sickness for either, just a love (or a desire) for them, if not the cookies.

I love how you write," whether the compulsions are evil or just different" because that is exactly what they are, different because they don't fit in with the "norm," whatever that is!

I always enjoy a discussion, I would have loved to have been born in ancient Greece, or Rome to debate, and discuss the important news of the day.
(Maybe they will classify that as a disease, or sickness!)

Thank you for taking the time to post a reply to this discussion.


Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-26 10:29:37 -0500 Report

Mental malfunctions can be brought on by a disease, a head trauma or possibly by an improper medication.

JSJB 2012-04-04 04:09:15 -0500 Report

How can you classify a head trauma as a disease? Isn't it a physical condition and isn't improper medication a mistake????? Mental malfunctions, I would think, are not diseases. Just because they are treated by doctors they are not classified as diseases. Too many labels on people can get confusing. When I talk about diabetes I say I have a condition/problem that is being treated.

locarbarbie 2012-03-23 13:33:26 -0500 Report

Mays, You listed domestic violence, child abuse, alcoholism, etc etc. as things which are now considered diseases. With the exception of ADD/ADHD and depression, those things used to be called something other than disease…Sin!!

Irregardless of your personal beliefs…I feel that society at large has abdicated personal responsibility for our actions.

I'm having a hard time getting my thoughts across (early senility??LOL) but I absolutely agree with your premise!

MAYS 2012-03-23 14:10:10 -0500 Report


(early senility??LOL),
I have to laugh at that one, don't look upon it that way, it's just a lack of the appropriate words for the moment!

Please use whatever words you must to get your point across, I wont be offended, I believe that we should use whatever words are appropriate for the situation, or the discussion at hand at all times, what is important is to get your point across!

I really appreciate your reply and I do agree with you, they were once classified as "sin" somewhere along the line, in my opinion, religions began to lose track of the many sub classifications of sins that were beginning to exist, they went from a few, to many, although many of them have existed since the beginning of time.

You are correct in stating that society has abdicated personal responsibility for our actions, it's easier to say that this person has a disease, than it is to say that "you are responsible" for what you have done.

To me, this is a cop out, each case is individual but shielding one under the "umbrella of disease" when the storm begins to rage, is not the answer.
I guess that it's a way for the various institutions to secure future business for themselves.

I wonder if trying to make sense out of all of this a disease…


Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-23 15:50:37 -0500 Report

LOL Mays it isn't a disease yet. ((((((((((hugs))))))))

MAYS 2012-03-26 09:20:54 -0500 Report

Here's to hoping that it will never be classified as a disease, if so we are all doomed! (((((((hugs)))))))

babydoll090906 2012-03-26 10:27:10 -0500 Report

I agree with you. I was raped and since my two year old daughter was screaming he picked her up and threw her against the wall. She ended up with brain damage. SHe got ten years. Since she died they wouldn't charge him with mirder because he was already charged with rape and child abuse. He was a cop!!! Does that mean he was treated differently because he was a cop? He should have gotten life!!!

MAYS 2012-03-26 13:17:58 -0500 Report

I'm very sorry to hear that, I agree that he should have been given life.
He is allowed to go on with his life, yours is permanently altered and your daughter loses hers, yet rape should be treated as a "capital crime" a violation of one's civil and constitutional rights, but it isn't!

It can be downgraded into much minor offenses
as aggravated, or simple assault (compared to rape) tagged as such due to the ability to label "rape" (which is physical) as a psychologically induced disease, turning it into a mental act that is carried out physically (aren't all crimes pre-meditated?) as a result of a short, or long term traumatic experience from the past in someones life!

What about the life of the victim from that point forward?


jayabee52 2012-03-26 13:40:43 -0500 Report

I don't know if all crimes are pre meditated. There are the so-called "crimes of passion" where someone acts without thinking, ( for instance, killing a lover of one's spouse when they are discovered in the act) but it is still a crime! It is generally not dealt with as severely as a premeditated murder.

MAYS 2012-03-26 14:04:00 -0500 Report

James, Forgive me for overlooking that one!

In my haste to reply, I completely forgot that one, it has always intrigued me because "crimes of passion" are reactionary crimes that are dealt with differently than premeditated crimes, we used to discuss this in class when I was young because my teacher wanted us to see how stressfull situations could make a person react violently, yet the courts would consider the circumstances differently in this case than in any other!

Once again, you are on top of things and I really appreciate it!


Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-23 15:50:13 -0500 Report

May in some countries domestic violence and child abuse is not considered a sin because the man is the head of the house and his wife and children are his property. I took a sociology class years ago. My groups project was Child Abuse. I interviewed a police detective who gave me a copy of an article from either the 1940's or 1950's. Back in the early 1900's children fell under the Humane Society. Don't ask me why. At any rate, a farmer and his wife in Georgia, abused their children to the point someone reported him to the Humane Society. Back then there were no child abuse laws so the children could not be taken from him. The Humane Society declared the children to be farm animals and was able to get the children from their parents. There were laws to protect farm animals but not humans. I have spent several years looking for the article. I lost it when my basement flooded.

You really can't use religion because there are so many different forms of religion and religious beliefs. What is sinful in one religion may not be a sin in another.

You can also say that being a victim of child abuse and growing up to abuse others can be classified as an illness and not necessarily a disease. Look at all of the serial killers. Many of them suffered abuse that many could not begin to imagine. Decades ago the treatment for mental illness was to lock a person away in an asylum for life.

Each individual is responsible for his or her actions unless the person is deemed unable to determine to not have the ability to discern between right or wrong.

MAYS 2012-03-26 09:31:57 -0500 Report

I agree with you 100%, it does vary according to religious belief, culture and country.
We could write a multi-volume book on the various laws, and customs that give various rights and protection to animals and not to humans.
All I am saying that each case is individualized, they should not be "lumped" together and then a standard set forth from which each case categorized, such as the case(s) of child abuse, I have witnessed, and have known victims of child abuse, some of those abused went on to live happy, productive lives, others didn't, yet the variable in that statistic can sway either way dramatically.
As I stated, I have witnessed this personally myself as both a child, and an adult.

MAYS 2012-03-23 13:23:15 -0500 Report

Justifying the actions of someone does not make it a sickness or a disease.
Being selfish is not a sickness, having more is not a sickness, you can argue the case from a moral point of view, but you still can't fault someone who has more than what we may feel is enough of anything.

jayabee52 2012-03-22 21:53:09 -0500 Report

I guess I share your disease, Mays! Too late for me! I am addicted to DC! LoL!

I will have to think about the rest of your post and come back later to comment with my thoughts.

MAYS 2012-03-23 09:19:26 -0500 Report

An addiction to DC is not a bad disease to have, if I had to choose one!
I await your thoughts on this discussion, and as always I respect your views.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-22 19:29:19 -0500 Report

Mays, if buying clothing, shoes, cars and houses to excess and you are doing nothing with them then you are not buying out of desire, you are buying because you are obsessed with the idea of shopping and buying. For instance, Jay Leno has a vast collection of cars but he is a collector which is different from someone buying things because they are obsessed with it. I have a friend from Africa who born and raised in Biafra. He grew up with the swollen stomach from lack of nutrition. Today he is very successful very well educated man with a wife who just finished medical school and beautiful daughter. He is an impulse buyer and constantly shops. With him it comes from having absolutely nothing until his father was able to come to this country, get a job and send for his family. He fears not having something he will need. All obsessive or addictive behaviors are mental health problems.

I agree every time you turn around there is some kind of disease. Keep in mind the American Dream is a house, family and cars with enough money to do more than survive. With a faster paced life style, people don't eat like they did when we were kids. My mother would never have served us food from a fast food place even if they had been in existence when she started her family. Chemicals are added to meat and grain so animals for food can grow bigger faster and the same with fruits and veggies.

The air we breath, products we use for every day life is laced with all kinds of chemicals. Even water now contains medications that are flushed down the toilets or tossed in the trash. This is why we have the health problems whether physical or mental these days.

MAYS 2012-03-23 09:15:40 -0500 Report

Regardless of the reason why a person does whatever it is that they do, such as spending on things that they desire, it should not be considered a disease.
People, by nature, are strange when viewed thru the eyes of another.

To diagnose a person's "strangeness" and classify it as a disease, or sickness, is in my opinion wrong.
Obsessions are classified as a sickness, why not classify the need to classify others a sickness?
Those who do the classifing are protected under the word "statistics."
A more descriptive word would be "caste system" but that is an entirely different discussion.

I appreciate your comments, and respect your views on this subject.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-23 11:44:08 -0500 Report

I respect and understand what you are saying but I don't agree. When a desire becomes and obsession or an addiction which can cause harm to themselves or others including the family then it is classified as a disease.

Your debate doesn't hold water. Everyone in some way is classified in some manner and stats are based on these classifications. Let's look at this another way. Look at the things you do. If you are obsessed with soaps and must watch them every day and eventually get to the point where TiVoing them doesn't help the high you get from watching them. You quit your job, hole up in your house glued to every soap that comes on the television. At what point would you seek help?

Your parent or adult child lives with you. This person loves to shop. Over time the persons shopping becomes an obsession and the purchases begin to clutter your home. This obsession turns into an addiction and the person is spending all of their time thinking about shopping and making purchases of items they don't need, won't fit them or just because it was on sale. Your house becomes so cluttered you can't move around. You can repeatedly tell this person not to shop, that they don't need the items they purchased and ask them to get rid of the junk. This person can justify every purchase no matter what the item is. To them they see no problem in what they are doing. It can get to the point that they lose friends and family can no longer help them. It is at this point the person has a mental health issue that needs treatment and this is how and why there are so many diseases in this world today.

So would you rather not have something that is an obsession or an addiction treated or not treated? No matter how you see it, you can't have it both ways.

MAYS 2012-03-23 13:10:21 -0500 Report

So, having a desire to live life to the fullest, wanting the best, and striving to be the best should be classified as a sickness, a disease?

What makes a disease, a disease?
Should we penalize those with excess because they have more than others?

A person should not be penalized (via classification of a disease) because of excess.

Is Warren Buffett, or any other billionaire, sick because they have much more money than others, and desire to make more?

Was George Washington "sick" because he desired to win freedom for the 13 original colonies from England during the war for independence?

Does a child have a "sickness" for wanting two cookies instead of one?
Does having a personal library at home, containing many books, a sickness?

If you have a desire to manage your diabetes better, to prevent the possibilities of complications related to such, does that make your desire, or obsession to do so a "sickness" or a "disease?"

Does your neighbor avoid this stigma because they do not manage theirs well?

Statistics need classifications in order to exist, that is taught second in a class on statistics, the first thing taught is the importance, and the purpose of the numbers.

There is no norm, norm is a statistic with a variable attached to it, go over or under it, whatever it is, it's the basis for a sickness.
Human desire for more is normal, it's not a crime, nor is it a disease, pretty soon breathing in too much air will be considered a sickness, another useless, unnecessary statistic, unless it's used to make money, thereby making it a sickness, "statistically."


Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-23 13:45:41 -0500 Report

Mays, a desire can lead to an obsession which can become an addiction. It all ties together depending on how far you let your desire strengthen.

A child wanting two cookies could become a child who always wants cookies to a child who is now obese because the desire for the cookies has become an obsession. The obsession grew into an addiction and the child now has an addiction to cookies and sneaks them every chance he or she gets.

I think you have missed the point entirely. You are missing the fact that an everyday activity that a person desires can become an addiction or an obsession if it consumes all of their time and thought. Having a desire to live life to the fullest becomes of disease when your desire becomes harmful to you and those around you. Say for instance to you living your life to the fullest is to go out and party all night. Over time, your desire to party is going to over take your ability to keep a job, a house, and a car. You have now harmed yourself in a manner that you will do what you can to get money to party all night.

The woman who exercises everyday and feels she is still to fat can become anorexic if all she thinks about is being thin and doing what she can to be thin. I worked with a woman like that. She only ate yogurt because at 98 lbs she thought she was fat. When she reached 75 lbs her husband took her to the ER when he caught her throwing up her yogurt and from there she was in a psychiatric unit. She weighed 75lbs and was 5'9".

George Washington had a desire for freedom and fought to that end. In 1776 the Declaration of Independence was sign freeing the colonies from England. However, if you look at history, even then not everyone was free.

Warren Buffet is obsessed with having massive amounts of money. Psychologically if you delved into his reason for wanting all the money he has, you will find that he more than likely did too much of anything else but make money. He would more than likely commit suicide if he lost it all.

If you have a home library containing many books and your desire to keep obtaining books to the point you can't walk around in your home or sit, sleep and eat comfortably then yes you do have a disease.

Finally, normal is only what is acceptable by society. If you step outside of what is acceptable by society as normal behavior, this would be where the problem would occur.

MAYS 2012-03-23 14:59:48 -0500 Report

Acceptability does not define normal, the BMI scale is an example of this, (allow me to change the subject temporarily) it is unfair to say that some is obese according to those standards which ae "normal" when some individuals such as a muscular male may tip the scale with a BMI of 29%, meaning that he is slightly obese!

The war of independence was not fought to free anyone, such as slaves or indentured servants, but rather to free the colonies from what they felt was an oppressive ruler.

Placing restrictions on someone (physically, or literally) to justify the action for classification is wrong, what if the book owner who has a lot of books has enough floor space and book shelves to house the books thereby eliminating the possibility of an accident, or harm, is that still a disease?

Warren Buffet still eats at his favorite little resturaunt, orders the same "cheap" burger that he has for decades, and lives in the same house that he hase had for over 40+ years, does that make him "sick" because he doesn't splurge his wealth, although he has much of it?

There will always be a "catch 22" to everything, damned if you do, damned if you don't!

My point is this, we should not say that having excess is a disease if that is what the individual wants, and is able to acquire it, society cannot dictate the "norm" to you, who is it that establishes the norm?
Evidently it's not those that have, it's the have nots!
Someone falls prey to being a have not when compared to someone else, we are not all equal outside of being human, someone will always have more than someone else, it has always been the nature of life.

And that does not justify their reason for trying to establish such.
As long as we know the consequences of our actions, we are responsible for dealing with them when, and if the time comes.

Too many things are now being classified as "diseases" pretty soon we will have nothing left to classify as such except life itself!


Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-23 15:33:26 -0500 Report

Mays you can't free the colonies without freeing the people. The people made up the colonies. Just because the colonies were free did not mean the people would be. Once the land was free from English rule, the people had to also be free. Otherwise we would be paying our taxes to the Queen of England.

May no matter what you say or think or even believe. Everyone of us has a classification of some form. Classifications are based on race, religion, sexual preferences, educated, uneducated, medical illnesses which are or are not a disease, rich, middle class, poor, democrat or republican. There is nothing you can do about it. Any disorder a person has that involves mental health can be classified as a disease or an illness.

As for society determining the norm, society as a majority does not agree that starving or killing your child is acceptable. Even though this occurs frequently, it is still not normal behavior.

If you did something you thought was normal and 90% of the people you encounter doesn't agree, then what is normal for you isn't normal for others. Therefore society sets the standards of normal whatever that may be.

MAYS 2012-03-23 15:56:50 -0500 Report

I never stated that we don't have classifications, my point is that we do and many people love having themselves classified as having a disease or a disorder, such as being "bipolar" people speak of these things as if they are proud of it.
Walking around saying that "I am a rapist" or a "wife beater" is not something to be proud of.

Remember that I stated that classifications are needed for the purpose of statistics (for whatever the reason).

Where does this fit in, "society as a majority does not agree that starving or killing your child is acceptable"?
We (both of us) are straying off of the subject at hand.
We cannot continue to classify things that have been going on forever as a disease.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-24 21:48:26 -0500 Report

Mays, I am unipolar and I have Post Traumatic Stress disorder both of which I keep under control and no longer have to take medications. It is a disorder through no fault of our own. Our brains do not produce enough ceritonin to keep us from being depressed.

Disease Definition:
1. A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.
2. A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.

If you look at the definition, things that have been going on forever can be classified as a disease. There was no treatment for many of the medical and physiological problems people had decades ago. Now that there is treatment and there are identifiable signs and symptoms, problems that were not identified years ago are now identifiable today.

Just because you don't think something should be a disease doesn't mean it isn't and just because the person is labeled as having it doesn't mean it is a bad thing as long as the person is being treated.

There is a reason why scientist want to keep serial killers alive. They want to study them to determine why they kill. Most serial killers begin killing as children. There is a reason for this and once the reasons can be studied they may also be classified as having a disease.

You mention normal and my response to that was "society as a majority does not agree that starving or killing your child is acceptable"