By suziesgirl Latest Reply 2012-05-26 09:51:19 -0500
Started 2012-03-21 20:04:51 -0500

I'm a little confused by the recipes on this website. The latest I read today, and guess what?, it's not much better than the rest. This recipe called for all purpose white flour(Aloxin) a by product produced by chemically bleaching wheat. Margarine (1 ingrediant away from plastic) and brown sugar (bleached white sugar with some molassas added to make it brown OH BOY, doesn't that sound nutrious??? People please, most all of you can use a computor and if you can't , you know someone who does. Just read a little, you would be surprised at how much you can learn about diabetes and the cure for it. It does exist, but not eating this junk. Thats how we developed type 2 to begin with. I'm sorry diabetic connect, but who are you trying to help? and how much money do you recieve from companies like Novo nordisk??? If you really don't want to help people just keep posting these awful recipes and the people will get sicker and have to take more medications which make them sicker. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! Your being dupped and you don't realize it. Maybe, maybe someday you will read a book called Diabetes without drugs. I sure pray you do

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annesmith 2012-04-03 03:37:50 -0500 Report

I have read all of your posts, and in every single one of them you were either shouting, saying the next person is worked up, when it has been you that has been worked up. You are THIS worked up over ONE recipe. Do you know how many people you have hurt? Do NOT write me—I find you to be extremely intimidating, and downright hurtful. I may never come back to this site because of you. Stop hurting most of the people on this site. In one paragraph alone, you shouted and screamed uncontrollably. I mean, you need to CALM DOWN, and think about the way you scream…this is ridiculous. Simply put, you are HYPER. If you are THAT worked up over people not eating right, then you don't care..I find you to be HEARTLESS. Do NOT write me back. This is the only time I will ever write you. Aren't you afraid of being kicked off the site due to your screaming and yelling? GO get some help for your hyperactivity, and STOP telling the rest of us we are hyper—you have a SERIOUS problem. I mean, you are cruel. NO letters from you—I haven't witnessed anything like this for years. You are just a HYPER person that calls everybody else hyper—it's plain as day—-ANNE

suziesgirl 2012-04-04 21:53:26 -0500 Report

Wow, you are really hyped up. Over what? Why do you read posts that wind you up so much?? Seems like you enjoy this. Chill girl. Its only a site that is supposed to be supportive and give people helpful information. I have never been called hyper, but ok, I'll add that to Chic. That was a new one too. Kicked off the site, Oh well, there are worse things in life to be afraid of. And fear is not something I try to dwell on. If I am screaming, I sure can't hear it. It is called writing and reading and then there is understanding what you read.
Did I call you hyper??? Can you cut and paste that reply, having some memory problems at the moment.

Janice Paige
Janice Paige 2012-03-30 10:33:17 -0500 Report

I was really looking forward to getting good information on this site and then I ran across this set of messages. My immediate decision about all of this is simply to never visit this site again. I'm sure I will be able to find a good book to help me with my pre diabetes, but I don't like the way people talk to each other here. What is wrong with you? Shouldn't this be a place to help one another? Instead, I see such a conflict going on here! This certainly isn't for me…no sir!!!

red flower lady
red flower lady 2012-04-01 14:01:59 -0500 Report

Hi, and welcome! You can get good information here by checking out the video's, blogs, ask an expert, etc.. and not get into discussions if it makes you feel better. You will get many replies when asking a question and not have a problem. We as a family here tend to get in to heavy discussions like all families, depending on the topic, This member stirred up alot of nerves here by the way she came at this site. Had she posted her concerns in a different way, the replies would not have gone the way they did.

I for one think if you are going to attack something, then be willing to give alternatives, in this case, the offending recipes along with her changes, she said she had no time? The time she spent here could have easily done just that. Or, she could put up her own recipes, either way it would help us here which is what this site IS all about:)

Stick it out awhile and see if the fit is good for you, if not then at least you tried it.

dietcherry 2012-04-01 11:35:44 -0500 Report

Janice we are truly a family here and like all families we dont always agree or express it in healthy ways. We welcome you with open arms, but if we are not a good fit for you, I understand. Farewell and good luck to you in your D journey.

Young1s 2012-04-01 12:21:50 -0500 Report

DietC, this post is from a couple of days ago. You've been away for a bit so you wouldn't have known this but I believe Janice has decided to stay.

dietcherry 2012-04-01 12:29:33 -0500 Report

Oh dear! Yeah I missed all the posts after the first couple! Thanks for the save Y1s!
And to you Janice: WELCOME!!!!!!!! Im thrilled you decided to stay on! :)

jayabee52 2012-03-30 10:55:10 -0500 Report

Please do not let this first impression turn you off from DC. There are a lot of discussions where there is not all this bickering and a lot of support and information. I have been coming here for about 3.5 yrs and I feel that except for times like this discussion it is a wonderful place. A discussion such as this is the exception rather than the rule here.

Please continue with us and give us another chance.

jigsaw 2012-03-30 10:49:54 -0500 Report

Janice…There are plenty of discussions going on with a warm and positive tone to them! You were right on your initial intention, there is an amazing amount of excellent info on this site. There are also thousands of members. This happens to be one of the only conflicting discussions going on. I suggest you look around a bit more. I'm sure you will like what you see!!!

Caroltoo 2012-03-30 10:47:21 -0500 Report

Thank you, Janice, for that fresh view from someone new to the site.

There are several of us who have recently verbalized this thought: the site is for support and helping others not for bickering about others and our own ideosyncratic views. I hope your voice, coming from outside, will be heard more than ours are.

I hope you will stay around and help change the interaction patterns here.

Janice Paige
Janice Paige 2012-03-30 11:10:31 -0500 Report

Thanks jayabee52, jigsaw and Caroltoo, I really appreciate your encouragement. The shock of the negative conversations did put me off. In my opinion I believe that susiesgirl has a good message but a terrible way of expressing it. She is right on but too harsh. I don't like conflicts…it makes me very nervous and uncomfortable. Good information given in a positive light is what I need. I'll look further into this site and hopefully will find what will help me. Thanks again.

robertoj 2012-04-03 03:01:40 -0500 Report

The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug.
Mark Twain
I try to choose my words wisely but sometimes I'm not successful so I try to keep this quote in mind when I reply to a discussion.

jayabee52 2012-03-30 11:18:56 -0500 Report

I definitely agree with your assessment, Janice!

I don't like conflicts either but when someone is put down or somehow bullied I am the fool who rushes in "where angels fear to tread" (like the song says).
I guess that comes from being bullied mercilessly as a child. I also seek to smooth out ruffled feathers too insofar as they can be smoothed out.

I look forward to seeing you in the other discussions which are not so heated!

Blessings to you and yours!

James Baker

Janice Paige
Janice Paige 2012-03-30 15:19:14 -0500 Report

Thank you very much, jayabee52. I went to your "site" and copied your diet. I think that could work for me. Especially since I was diagnosed with stage 4 chronic kidney failure and prediabetes. A proper diet is going to be my best friend and I am researching the internet for good information. I really like your site and put a note on there to you. I've copied your information and think that this is certainly something I can do, especially since you also mentioned that you have the kidney problem, as well. It's a tough combination…prediabetes, kidney failure and high blood pressure. I feel like a "time bomb" and I'm ready to "defuze". LOL!!!

jayabee52 2012-03-30 15:40:43 -0500 Report

I replied to you on my meal plan discusion and as it would happen I also have stage 4 CKD. I replied with some resources I had gathered over time about the CKD/diabetes problem and I pray you will find them as useful as I have.



MrsCDogg 2012-03-29 13:26:50 -0500 Report

Maybe it is you who needs to wake up and move on to a different site!!

suziesgirl 2012-03-29 19:04:54 -0500 Report

Isn't it amazing how so many people try to crush a very small opinion about some bad ingrediants in a recipe. No wonder the ADA and FDA can get away with what they do. Some people will buy into anything, just don't mess with their junk food. I don't have to move on to anything. Still a free country so far. If your diabetes is under control, then why do you care so much about what I wrote? I woke up a long time ago, and it paid off for me. Not everyone is willing to make the the changes in their diet or lifestyle. Some can't afford to. Don't blame me. I only asked people to wake up to some bad ingrediants in a recipe. You should re read it. I never attcked, called anyone an idiot or was nasty to anyone. Strange, the comments that some people made were far more insulting than my posted discussion. Wake up People, wow, now that's such a bad thing to say. I'm done with it. Do whatever makes your happy. If your doctor told you not to eat these ingrediants would you find another one? Would you keep looking for a new doctor until you found one that treated your symptoms and agreed with your diet selection?? That's what I would do if I were you. Or do you already have a doctor that could care less what you ate as long as your medications seemed to be doing the job SO FAR? I'm just so amazed at the visciousness of some people on this site. I was accused of everything under the sun, yet none of it was true. If you need to carry a tourch for someone, do it for yourself. If I attack you, then, I give you permission to fight back, with me only. Fighting seems to be what some people like the most. Alot of wasted energy.

jayabee52 2012-03-29 14:21:42 -0500 Report

please Mrs Dogg, have you read the whole of this discussion postings? She has seemed to have a change of attitude since this original post was posted. And she had said in one place where she was leaving, and then later on was convinced to stay, so like it or now she is here and is staying for the time being. She has mellowed a bit during the time she's been here. So please cut Sandra a break.


pixsidust 2012-03-28 12:12:03 -0500 Report

Whew…You have a way with words.

With that said Welcome
Anyone can post a recipe…its our site
We do have sponsors so the site is free to you and I
Most of us come here because we need this place
Free is good, don't you agree?

Diabetes is not a One shoe fits all
So I am glad you found what works for you.
We really are some nice people here
No need to SHOUT or be sarcastic
Be nice and we can hear you.
Save the "Oh Boys"
and be Our friend as we will be Your friend

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2012-03-27 14:12:24 -0500 Report

Just my opinion…
I think you have a good point(s), but I believe your attack is misdirected. First, there are people behind DC, just like there are people behind this computer site. I think your accusations are unfair and unkind, and to me, unacceptable. So, your points are good, but your attak is not. Before you accuse Alliance/DC of being in bed with Nova or anyone else, you should be able to offer proof.
The last i checked we are not in a diabetic clinic where are meals are prepared and served. Where out diet is strickly regimented. No, we are a free people. People that are free to take a recipe and substitute Splenda, Stevia or any other sweetner that we want. We can chose to use margerine, butter or oil. The choice is ours. Just like the choice is ours to choose to respect each other in what and how we respond.
Just my opinion…Jim

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-27 13:16:12 -0500 Report

Just because a recipe is posted doesn't mean anyone has to use it and many recipes can be modified for diabetes if you know how to cook. There are instructions on the Web instructing you how to convert flour and sugar to natural products for recipes. Using recipes is like buy clothing. Just because it is in your size doesn't mean you buy it if it doesn't look right on you so just because the recipe is posted and claims to be a diabetic recipe doesn't mean you rush out and get the ingredients and make the food.

Unintelligent people get duped. I think everyone here is intelligent enough to know when they are being duped. I don't think anyone is being duped. Not everyone can be diabetic without drugs.

Teresa Rose
Teresa Rose 2012-03-27 09:59:19 -0500 Report

When I found out that I was a type 2 diabetic last year I went through all my recipes and revised them. The ones that I couldn't revise successfully to be beneficial for a diabetic diet I threw in the trash. I think there are many recipes on this site that aren't right for diabetics but there are also many good recipes. Maybe the nutritionist for the site should revise the recipes to be more appropriate for this site and delete the ones that can't be revised. Maybe even putting the revised recipes alongside the original recipes. Just thinking that this would be a great idea !!!

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-27 13:18:11 -0500 Report

Excellent idea Teresa. Some of us can change recipes on our own simply because we have been doing this so long they know what to do. I rarely use a recipe simply because mom taught me how to cook. I just stopped frying and used the same recipes when I bake or broil.

Young1s 2012-03-27 10:29:12 -0500 Report

I think so too Teresa. Was even thinking that when I try a recipe from here, and changes needed to be made, I would post what I changed about it.

locarbarbie 2012-03-25 16:21:25 -0500 Report

`It is because of Sandra that I bought Suzy Cohens book, Diabetes without Drugs. Cohen is a pharmacist and she is not completely anti-drug when needed. It is a very informative book and points out many eye opening facts that some people may be unaware of.

I am frustrated (as I know is Sandra) at the non information that has been handed down from the ADA. When I was diagnosed, I attended classes given by ADA sanctioned nutritionsits. I did not agree with their advice to eat 180-200 carbs daily. I would never have brought my A1C down to 5.8% eating like that. I was also told that as long as my 2 hour post meal reading wa below 180, I was fine. What?? Diabetic complications may begin to develop at glucose levels above 140. I want to keep as far below that as I can…even post meals.

The ADA has even stated that they do not recommend tight control for the most part because most people would have a hard time adhering to it. But they will find it easier to lose toes and eyesight and have strokes etc? They also give guidlines to keep your A1C below 7.0…this equates to something like a bs of 170 average. What kind of guidline is that?

I just think the ADA has wimped out…and they do NOT give diabetic people enough credit for taking control of their own health. They are so quick to tell you that there is nothing you can't eat. No wonder people are confused when so many of their recipes include potatoes, pasta, margarine and egg whites only.

Also, there may or may not be a "cure". However, if by making healthy, delicious, informed choices, you are able to lower your A1c and maintain your levels in a "non-diabetic range to avoid complications wouldn't you want someone to tell you how that could be done?

I believe Suziesgirl only wanted to educate. I think we all need to do our own research and educate ourselves…there is a wealth of information out there in addition to Cohens book. I am also a big fan of Dr. Mercola.

Sandra sure did stir the pot, and that is a good thing! When you become too complacent, the pot tends to burn.

cavie2 2012-04-03 06:47:48 -0500 Report

I also downloaded onto my kindle Suzy Cohens book on the recommendation of Sandra. Have not read it yet as I am in the middle of reading another book at present. But hope to get round to it soon

suziesgirl 2012-03-25 19:10:29 -0500 Report

Thank you Barb, that was very well said and very true. You were right on with the ADA. I couldn't believe the advice they were handing out. I never want to hurt anyone, that is not want people who are struggling with this disease need. It is hard enough to deal with it on a daily basis. There were many days I thought I was crazy and a failure at what I was trying to achieve. Why is it that when you don't agree with the crowd, the crowd becomes a mob? They say there is strength in numbers, but I think people need to be brave and venture out on their own sometimes and do what the crowd isn't doing, just to find out if it works. I like to check things out for myself, and if someone rec. something to me that sounds safe and reasonable I try it. I am so glad that I do. Somethings weren's as affective as others, but most of the methods I tried worked and worked well. The Aloe Vera juice was rec. by Suzie Cohen when I first read her book, but at the time I was into so many other things I dismissed it. About 4 months ago when my A1C went from 5.6 to 5.8, without changing my diet in any way, I decieded to try it. Now 5.5 I am so glad I did. I had nothing to lose. I knew It would not harm me. Tasted like water and didn't have to drink massive amounts.
Thanks again my dear,

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-27 13:35:52 -0500 Report

Sandra, not all treatments work for everyone. I for one cannot use a lot of natural products because of food allergies. I think people choose to struggle with the disease because some are in denial which in turn hurts them in the end.

I would love to go holistic and have tried stevia and other natural sweeteners. I cannot digest them normally and get sick. The same with hops in beer. A sip of beer can cause me to be sick for several days. I can't have any fruits with a pit or any kind of nut, banana, raw tomato, grapes or cherries. If I do I will end up in the hospital or have to carry an epi pen. I can eat an apple as long as I don't eat the skin or drink apple juice. Tomatoes have to be processed for me to eat them.

My doctor sent me to a nutritionist who changed my caloric intake and I lost ground in the weight loss goal I had set. Turns out she never bothered to read the notes my doctor sent to her or she would have known not to do this. Of course it didn't help because she weighed at least 400lbs.

I find nothing wrong in educating people. However, when you tell me that I am being duped by recipes posted on the site you make it sound as though I am not intelligent to know that even though they are posted on the site I wouldn't realize they are not good for me. You also have to consider that what is working for you might not work for everyone.

Teresa Rose
Teresa Rose 2012-03-27 13:54:01 -0500 Report

I'm allergic to Stevia & Truvia and also hops in beer and many other environmental food items. Cotton seed oil is in many products and makes me very sick. Some fruits make me break out in hives.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-28 15:21:35 -0500 Report

Teresa I grew up in the city. I spent time with aunts and uncles and cousins who lived in the county. One aunt had all kinds of fruit trees and the other had a huge plum tree. We would get up in the morning, eat breakfast then climb the plum tree and eat sweet juicy plums with the dew still on them. This was followed by visiting another aunt and climbing her apple tree and eat sweet juicy crisp apples, or wild cherries, blackberries, wild raspberries and wild strawberries. For an afternoon snack we would hit the garden for tomatoes or cucumbers. I wish I could enjoy doing that once again.

Teresa Rose
Teresa Rose 2012-03-29 10:08:04 -0500 Report

That sounds like so much fun. I cherish some of my childhood memories. One of them is going horseback riding. Times have changed so much since then. I could have climbed those trees years back but now I'm allergic to many environmental things. Trees are one of them.

valentine lady
valentine lady 2012-03-25 14:08:36 -0500 Report

I have read through all of this and came to one decision. We were referred to as idiots and our recipes are all wrong. Although Sandra said she decided to stay shows she like to stir the poop. Old and wiser said it best and I agree with him.
She directly put down DC and all of us who take part in DC. I find "Sandra" a joke. Valentine Lady, Type 2 and on insulin as well as pills, I'm still brittle…you had better read your facts about all types of diabetes…VL

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-27 13:36:27 -0500 Report

Val we are diabetic not stupid. Very good comment and I totally agree with you.

valentine lady
valentine lady 2012-03-27 17:39:14 -0500 Report


Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-28 15:28:26 -0500 Report

You are more than welcome Val and Hugs to you too. This woman obviously has a problem and she thinks putting down the site and talking to members as though they are stupid makes her look important and powerful. Treat it like water off a ducks back. For me what she is saying is in one ear and out the other.

suziesgirl 2012-03-25 19:16:04 -0500 Report

I guess you and the old wiser run the show around this site. So be it, but I don't think you have the final say. As I said before, It will not affect me one way or the other. I just enjoy consulting with people who are looking and have found better ways of controlling this diseas. Sorry you have so many problems being brittle. I never said I knew everything about diabetes. The recipe is what I had a problem with, and whether you have diabetes or not, those ingrediants are not good for anyone, unless you like to eat plastic, bleached out foods and brown colored bleached out sugar!! Sounds like you like a little stirring yourself. If this comment you made about me calling people idiots, than Ms. Valentine, perhaps you should search your Heart again.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-27 13:47:33 -0500 Report

You must be a vegan who eats everything organic that you raise and grow yourself. You must also live in a bubble and drink filtered water and breathe filtered air. I say that to say that unless you control EVERYTHING that goes into your mouth by raising it you too are eating plastic and bleached out foods and browned out sugar. By the way raw sugar is minimally processed and is brown in color.

You have come here and put us and the site down and then you continue to do what you can as Valentine Lady said "stir the pot". You come off as being a know it all expert when you should really do more research. Putting us and the site down is not the way to educate people. Believe me when I say I have gotten some great advice in a far nicer manner, without being put down or made to feel stupid by all of the wonderful members and advisers here. Therefore, this is my note to self: Take no advice at all for suziesgirl until she finds a better way to educate people and does more research.

valentine lady
valentine lady 2012-04-08 20:36:08 -0500 Report


suziesgirl 2012-03-27 19:03:19 -0500 Report

I do drink filtered water, how did you know. It's not my job to educate people, I was just pointing out a recipe that IS NOT diabetes friendly. What makes you think I was putting you down?? I don't even know you. If you take it that way, so be it. By the way, how is your A1C?? Proof is in the numbers and how you feel. I feel great, my A1C is in the nornal range and I do not live in a bubble. If I stir the pot, certainly you have added a few ingrediants that aren't exactly healthy.

kdroberts 2012-03-29 20:04:47 -0500 Report

I have no ulterior motive, but I'm just curious what your definition of "normal range" is in terms of A1c.

suziesgirl 2012-03-30 21:09:54 -0500 Report

Under 6 would be great for most, for me I am not completly sat. with anything over 5, however without meds 5.5 is ok for now. What is nornal? There are many differnet views, Especially that of the ADA. I only know what shows up on my bloodwork related to A1C is under 5.6 does not suggest diabetes, prediabetes or risk of it. So for me 5.5 would be a normal range. Perhaps others feel differently.

kdroberts 2012-03-30 21:17:45 -0500 Report

The data suggests normal is 4.6-5.4. However, A1c is only a piece of the puzzle and can be affected by multiple things.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-28 15:25:38 -0500 Report

Actually what you did was attack the site and accused them of being in bed with Norvo Nordisk with no proof at all. You talked to people as though they are stupid and as someone stated, diabetes is not one size fits all. So you drink filtered water. I have been doing that for years. My A1C is of no concern of yours and no I only responded to what you said. Your attacks and nastiness is uncalled for and you owe the site an apology.

suziesgirl 2012-03-29 19:09:56 -0500 Report

No apology. I said nothing that wasn't true. If white flour, margerine and brown sugar is your thing, go for it. Do you think just maybe there are people who don't know about these harmful ingrediants and would use this recipe. Those people may not be idiots, however being ignorant is a different story. Until I found out I didn't know either. The post was't for idiots, it was for the ignorant, who don't know. Trust me there are many people who don't know. I was one of the. No apology.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-29 20:22:03 -0500 Report

Well if you didn't know how harmful the ingredients were that would make you an ignorant person. Thank you very much for confirming that fact. So you come here posing as a know it all thinking people here don't know that not all recipes are good for them. This in turn makes you assume that they are too ignorant to know this.

Just because a person doesn't know something doesn't mean they are ignorant of all of the facts. Most recipes were not meant for use by diabetics, even ones that are for us doesn't mean they are good for ALL of us.

Even if it is posted here on this site does not mean any of us has to use them. For those of us who do choose to use them, some of the ingredients can be swapped out to make it better for a person with diabetes.

suziesgirl 2012-03-30 21:20:04 -0500 Report

Give it a rest. I thought not knowing was ignorant. Yes I was just that. The key word in your post was (all) the facts. Why do you take everything so personnal?? If a recipe is posted on this site and promoted as a diabetic recipe, wouldn't certain individuals who are just starting to learn about this disease they have assume it was good for them??? I thought this site wanted to welcome new commers?? How will you know when someone is using a recipe that they think is safe and do not even consider changing ingrediants? Maybe when they log in and ask if anyone can help them get their BS down, you can catch them immediately and ask what recipes they have used from the site. Aren't you getting a little tired of this merry-go-round? IT WAS JUST ABOUT A STUPID, YES I SAID STUPID, RECIPE!!! Get over it for Gods sake.

margokittycat 2012-03-25 17:05:48 -0500 Report

Valentine lady, Thnmk you and well put yourself. I am Type one diagnosed as a child before the age of ten, was very active no diabetes in my family and insulin dependant since day one. I also am a brittle diabetic allergic to lond lasting insulins and can only take the regular fast acting, I for years was 4 shots aday, here recently, after all the stress with my son being kidnapped and what not, had to go to 8 shots a day as we had to split all shots in half because the stress was sending me highs all the time. I do not believe any of us are idiots and that was just wrong for someone to say that.

Happy Sunday!

valentine lady
valentine lady 2012-04-08 20:54:04 -0500 Report

Dear Margo: thank you for having my back and supporting the site as well, as she put the site down as well. I'm so sorry for your Diabetic problems. You have your plate full to say the least. Any word about your son yet? I was hoping he'd be home by now, I'm sure you were too. My prayers are with you and always have been. Keep me posted. Hugs, Valentine Lady…aka…Peggy

suziesgirl 2012-03-30 21:23:07 -0500 Report

Read the above post, again and again, and again until you get it. P.S. I DIDN'T CALL ANYONE AN IDIOT. GET IT, GET IT, GET IT. THREE TIMES MAY BE A CHARM!!
Save your breath, I will not respond to anymore of your posts. Get over it.

suziesgirl 2012-03-25 19:17:28 -0500 Report

Never said it Margo, but if you search the replys, you may be able to find the person that made the accusation that I did. Take it up with them.

margokittycat 2012-03-25 22:21:58 -0500 Report

Suziegirl I never said you said that, I have read the post so I know what you said. As I sai before though, maybe it's in the wording and the way you worded your duscussion that made that person think that you were saying that without actually saying that. I know you yourself did not say that sorry if you thought I was trying to say you did.

We are all here to learn from one another and try and help one another to the best of our abilities.

I have made lots of friends on the site and consider a lot of them to be like family.

Glad you are here and willing to put your opinions on the site even if not all agree with them.


suziesgirl 2012-03-26 19:15:10 -0500 Report

Thanks Margo. I want to learn new approches to this disease also. I know from personal family members, this disease can be a killer. My grandmother maintained her diabetes very well with the means she had. She had to take insulin because that is how she started in the late 50's, it was the only method of treatment known to her doctors at the time. She maintained so well, that at the end of her life she barely took any insulin at all. She was a type 2 diabetic and I know injecting insulin daily was not sometihing she enjoyed, however it did save her life for many years. Thank God for insulin in those days and for Type 1 diabetics today.

rjs52 2012-03-24 09:46:34 -0500 Report

I have read through many of the comments on this particular thread. Yes, diabetes is a serious disease that needs to be managed. Yes, if one wishes to, one can often (if they are type 2) by diet and exercise control their diabetes without drugs. But… We, everyone of us, will die sooner or later. If i have to restrict my diet so much that eating becomes a chore instead of a joy, i just a soon it is sooner rather than later. I know that in the end, i will live forever with my Lord and not have to worry about dieting at all. I do eat desserts on occasion… ones i know are not all that good for me, but i believe i do it in moderation. I enjoy wine with my meals on occasion. i do eat 7 or 12 grain bread. Perhaps because of that, I may not live quite as long as you. But I enjoy my meals.
I do try to watch my carbs, and especially my sugar intake, but I am not paranoid about it. I will die sooner or later regardless of how closely I monitor my blood sugar.
I wonder how many agree with my approach to managing my diabetes? For those who want to follow a more restrictive diet… more power to them. But sometimes i feel those that do think that those that make the choice i have made are somehow beneath contempt.
Scriptures tell us to take care of our bodies and souls. But it also tells us to eat, drink, and be merry, tomorrow we will die.
In re the recipes that are criticized… some of them are just what I am looking for…sensible substitutions that are not overly restrictive. I hope that others share my opinion. If not, perhaps this community is not for me.

JSJB 2012-03-30 15:56:07 -0500 Report

If they say dieting and exercise will help us then who am I to disagree. I do watch what I eat and I do exercise but not to the point where I suffer when I see food I like. This morning at work I passed a box of donuts and one was double chocolate. Well need I say more???? I do not indulge like this everyday but I will have something that is not good for me but what the hey you only live once. We will all die sooner or later but I rather later. Now I will have to work all that chocolate out of my system but the taste was worth it. mmmmmmmmmmgoood

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-27 13:50:11 -0500 Report


I had a sweatshirt years ago that said "Diet, Exercise, Die Anyway" I am not a very religious person and the one thing we all are going to do is die and there is absolutely nothing on this earth that is going to prevent that.

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2012-03-27 11:46:50 -0500 Report

I don't particularily care when I die, but when I go, I want to be able to see, to pee, and have my feet attached. Moderation is a critical key. There are some things I have given up, at least for the most part. I am thinking of pies made from cherries in a can, most cakes and my ice cream intake is way down. I look at something and ask if the carbs/sugars are worth it. sometimes yes, sometimes no. I use to eat a loaf of bread (homemade or whole grain) once week. Now I buy a loaf, divide it in 3, freeze 2, work on one. It is about 1 loaf a month.
Good point on recipes. Maybe we need 2 catagories. First would be called "Diabetic Healthy" and the second, less restrictive, "Diabetic Friendly" Maybe even a 3rd one "Diabetic Suicide" . This is where my carrot/sweet potato cassarole made with broen sugar and Karo syrup would go! LOL

jayabee52 2012-03-25 00:04:22 -0500 Report

One minor point rjs,

St Paul wrote in 1 Co 15:32 "If, in the manner of men, I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantage is it to me? If the dead do not rise, 'Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die!'” (New King James version) is not a command of scripture. iI fact it was a quote from a pagan poet.

It is an argument from St Paul that is negative. IF the dead do not rise then there is no hope for us and we might as well "eat and drink, for tomorrow we die" (the "be merry" you quote is from Luke 12:18-20 is not a positive one either as God calls that person portrayed in that parable a "fool" and states that very night that fool will die! It is a splicing of scripture!)

And we are told to take care of our bodies as in ! Co 6:19 "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?" (NKJV)

So you can't use the Bible as a defense for your not taking the best care of yourself that you can.

You have the freedom to do what you want, but don't use the bible to justify not taking the best care of yourself that you possibly can. It is up to God to bring you home to heaven, in what shape you will be when He takes you is up to you!

Janice Paige
Janice Paige 2012-03-30 15:30:56 -0500 Report

jayabee52, I really love your comment here. Scripture can be twisted when someone is trying so hard for it to say what they want it to say. But the Holy Spirit does bring it alive in our hearts and we can have an understanding about what it is really saying to us. God gave us a wonderful body and we do awful things to it. Some folks are born or acquire sicknesses that they didn't bring on themselves, however, but that has nothing to do with those of us who were born healthy or are now healthy and are doing things that will make us unhealthy. We must take care of our bodies as best as we can as the Bible clearly states.

BobbieNJ1000 2012-03-25 22:48:48 -0500 Report

Ecclesiastes 3:12-13

jayabee52 2012-03-25 22:57:15 -0500 Report

In the New King James version it is: "12 I know that nothing is better for them than to rejoice, and to do good in their lives, 13 and also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor—it is the gift of God."

Don't know what you're tryin to say here with quoting this, but IMO it doesn't diminish in the least what I wrote about the necessity of taking good care of our bodies the "temple of the Holy Spirit".

jayabee52 2012-03-26 00:24:09 -0500 Report

not argueing with that Bobbie, only with the spin rjs was putting on his spliced quotation of the Bible making it seem OK to abuse one's body.

rjs52 2012-04-03 02:22:11 -0500 Report

If I gave you that impression, i assure you, that was not my intent. But I do believe there is a difference between abusing ones body, and going to extremes in order to maybe extend your life. Also, i was not trying to quote the scriptures verbatim… the Ecc. passage is the one I had in mind. You are certainly correct in re the negative implication of I Cor. 15 passage. Of course, the context of "body being the temple of the Holy Spirit, tho it may be applicable in a general way to what we eat, from its context it is speaking of sexual immorality.

BobbieNJ1000 2012-03-26 01:30:32 -0500 Report

I could be mistaken but it sounded more like moderation than abuse to me. There are many approaches to managing this disease, and one size does not fit all. I eat lots of healthy food, but also enjoy a glass of wine now and then and an occasional dessert. And God bless CDE Gary; when I pointed out my embarrassing high on my log sheets, he pointed to my note with that reading and said, "but that was cake day!"

jayabee52 2012-03-26 14:08:50 -0500 Report

my problem was not what rjs was doing to himself, but that he was misquoting the Bible to justify his deviation from the best practices of eating for diabetes.

if you were to follow me around, I don't follow the "best practices" all the time either, but I don't justify my deviations by misquoting the Bible, making it say what it does clearly (in my mind at least) it does not.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-27 13:59:59 -0500 Report

James, I agree with both you and rj. I took it as it is your body, do with it as you please. I am not a very religious person and the bible is not something I will ever read entirely because I don't agree with much of it for my own personal reasons. I do believe there is a God of some form. I also believe that how you worship is ones own business and no matter how we pray or what we pray for, in some way it will be answered.

rj may not be doing what is right by some of us but it is his body and I am not going to judge him for what he is doing. I am like you follow me around and you will find that I don't always follow the "best practices" However, 95% of the time I am doing what I am suppose to be doing and I no longer feel bad about not eating something that I really truly want. Like some Nabisco Ginger Snaps.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-03-28 15:29:32 -0500 Report

LOL yes. they are the best ones on the market in my opinion other than the ones I use to make at home. I am going to have to make a batch.

suziesgirl 2012-03-24 22:28:11 -0500 Report

Yes, we shall or die, or maybe not. I just don't think I want to suffer with blindness, loss of limb, kidney failure, heart attack or stroke before I get there. Just a personal choice I guess. I don't live to eat anymore, I eat to live. I have a feeling God did not intend for us to eat, drink and be Merry at the expense of destroying the body he created for us to live in. I could be wrong. I like having the knowledge to control this disease. Especiially if I was unable to get my hands on the drugs that would help me if I didn't control what I ate. To each his own.

Janice Paige
Janice Paige 2012-03-30 15:33:19 -0500 Report

I'm with you suziesgirl. I can only work on the diet part but I broke my leg (tibia split at the top right into my knee) and have 5 screws pulling it back into place. I still have to walk with a cane and too much walking causes a lot of pain. So, consequently, I can't do much of the exercise part. I also have two herniated discs which restricts me. I would love to hear from anyone who has any suggestions about any kind of exercise for my physical problems.

Teresa Rose
Teresa Rose 2012-03-27 14:08:27 -0500 Report

I have controled my Diabetes since I found out I had it last year with diet and exercise. I haven't been able to exercise much because of a back injury so my diet has had to be more restricted. Last year my A1C was 7.5 and a couple of weeks back when it was checked it was 6.0. Better from last year. I want to do whatever I need to do to be healthy. My Uncle passed away and had diabetes. He lost both of his legs and was in the process of having to have his arms removed. He was so miserable and it was aweful to see him that way. The picture of him in my mind is enough to make me see and understand the importance of keeping myself healthy.

jayabee52 2012-03-27 14:15:11 -0500 Report

sorry to hear about your uncle, TR!

We have so much more to be thankful for nowadays in that we have a lot of knowledge and the ability to test our blood easily and quickly to allow us to manage better than those of earlier generations could even hope to do.

jigsaw 2012-03-24 17:05:03 -0500 Report

You seem to be very aware of what you are doing. Apparently you have made your choice, and if you are satisfied, then that's all that matters ! Good for you!!!

sseddog 2012-03-24 12:17:10 -0500 Report

I couldn't agree with you more. I don't diet, i just try to make better choices. Yes, we will die sooner or later. Do I want to die yearning for something or do I want to die happy? I cut out stuff that I am able to. I switched to diet coke (not easy but I did it) Stopped snacking on crap at night. I was extra good this past week because I am going to see "The Hunger Games" tonight and I can't enjoy the theater with out buttered popcorn. I will get a medium instead of a large and I will sneak in apple slices for when I need my sweet fix. I will enjoy life and will not let my diabetes rule me!

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