Higher morning BS?

By draco59 Latest Reply 2012-02-18 19:56:20 -0600
Started 2012-02-16 13:06:57 -0600

Hi all,
I don’t know if this has been asked before or not. My morning sugars have been pretty stable since I got it under control. It gets a little high if I eat something high in carbs, but we all know that will do that, but I still do it every once in a while. But my real question is; does the time you eat dinner the night before have an effect on it, all other things being equal? The reason I ask is, that I’ve been working later every day at work(up to hours a day) and then by the time I go home change and take care of the horses, go to the store if needed, take care of the dogs, I usually don’t eat till 8 P.M. at the earliest. Since this has started my morning sugars ha be up anywhere from 20 to 50 points. To me, it sounds like a silly question, given my background and knowledge, but I’m drawing a blank…..
Any thoughts or help would greatly be appreciated.

17 replies

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2012-02-16 23:16:08 -0600 Report

Are you taking it t the same time in the morning even though you are eaing later? With my schedule of working nights, some times I test sooner than other days and notice the fasting time is shorter so the BG can run a little higher.

draco59 2012-02-16 23:22:29 -0600 Report

Yes I am, I get up, take my morning pills, test my sugar and take my bp. During the week it's any where from 6:30 to 7 AM
I noticed the same thing,but not this bad…


jayabee52 2012-02-16 13:40:13 -0600 Report

Howdy Brian! I believe that here on DC the only silly question is an HONEST question which is NOT ASKED! (and just because the answer is not on the top of your head doesn't make it silly, it only says you're human — like me! I do that a lot!)

When I first read the title of this discussion I thought, perhaps dawn phenemon. But as I read your post I discovered my first thought was probably incorrect.

Of course the later one eats the later one's digestive tract gets to work, and therefore the later one's BG rises (or perhaps spikes).

Could you tell me if you test your BG levels just before you go to bed?

If you did/do, what were your BG levels at bedtime before you started this new work schedule, and what they are now? To compare these may tell you what you want to know about your AM fasting BG levels. If you have a log book or sheet go back to the time when you weren't working this modified schedule and compare the reading with what you currently read.

Hopefuly you'll be able to gather enough data points to determine what is happening.

Blessings to you and yours


draco59 2012-02-16 14:42:40 -0600 Report

Hi James, No I don't check before bed, all my doctor's told me I didn't have. I do have what they call dumping syndrom( could be same as dawn thing) they have me eat something small, like a teaspoon of peantbutter, it cured that problem.
But the digestion tract working later, does make sense. I've never thought about that way.
Have a safe and wonderful day

jayabee52 2012-02-16 15:24:36 -0600 Report

WELL do you do EVERYTHING your Drs tell you to? (Didn't think so. Neither do I)

I have been told that the Drs tell you to test only once a day because the insurance companies want to cut costs. If you use fewer test strips lower costs for them they think.

But to know what is REALLY happening with your body and diabetes I believe a MINIMUM number of tests per day is at least 3.

You probably do the "fasting" BG in the AM. Add to that a "postprandial" BG test 2 hrs after your first bite of a meal (you can rotate meals after which you test by day of the week. Example Mon, 2 hrs after breakfast, Tues after lunch, Wed after evening meal and so forth)

The 3rd would be before going to bed. If you are in the range of 80 to 100 before bed it would tell you that you need to eat that peanut butter. That would prevent the dawn phenomenon (aka a "liver dump" — {"dumping syndrome"?} ) Some folks pair that peanut butter with a slower digesting carb like an apple or whole grain bread, or a graham cracker.

TELL your Dr you want to take better care of your diabetes (be assertive but not aggressive) and ASK Dr to write an Rx for the number of stips you will plan to use per day.

USUALLY they will write it for you. If not it is then time to have a heart to heart with Dr and ask them "Do you really want me to get my diabetes under better control or not?" You can point out that complications from Diabetes would cost the Ins Co (and you, Brian) more money than the strips would cost to take better care of yourself. (personally I think Ins. Cos are being "penny wise but pound foolish" with restricting the strips)

I have some pretty strong thoughts and feelings about this subject.

We have a fella posting here from time to time who when first Dx'd would test up to 15 times per day. (he paid for the extra stips the Ins co wouldn't out of his own pocket) But he didn't want to take diabetes meds and so he modified his eating plan to radically reduce the number of carbs he ate. And he is one of my inspirations to eat very low carb and to control my BGs without diabetes meds simply through what I eat and don't eat. (I don't usually test but 3 times a day)

And I am doing well with my diabetes on my eating plan.

Make it a safe and wonderfuil day yourself Brian!

draco59 2012-02-16 15:34:35 -0600 Report

Thanks James, My aver morning sugar for the last 2 years has been 115.
I'm going to be looking for a new GP here in a bit, but first I'm waiting on my cardiologist to get me in to see an Endocrinologist, for another matter.
I was taking it 3 and r times a day with my BP, I have spread sheet, print outs the whole works. Everybody agreed I was getting a little OCD on it. So that’s why it’s once a day. But sometimes if I just don’t feel right I’ll take it.
Thanks again James

Nick1962 2012-02-16 14:53:27 -0600 Report

For me it depended on what I ate at night. Solid protein like meat kept me level with no dump. Any breads, crackers or pastas I could count on a morning high.

Nick1962 2012-02-16 20:47:54 -0600 Report

Funny thing is, as I worked through it, my body chemistry must have changed also. Maybe its age, or something else, but rye bread barely makes a dent, wheat spikes me 50 points!

Caroltoo 2012-02-17 00:45:53 -0600 Report

I substituted Rye for a while also until I discovered the gluten intolerance and gave up wheat, rye, barley, and oats.

Nick1962 2012-02-17 07:51:46 -0600 Report

Like I told James, I'm just going to pretend I didn't see these numbers and continue to avoid it. Gave in to the temptation too easily with that loaf of rye.

jayabee52 2012-02-16 20:55:00 -0600 Report

I understand that rye bread has a lower GI than even whole wheat bread. when i was eating bread I found that my BGs didn't rise as much with rye as with whole wheat.

Nick1962 2012-02-16 21:00:16 -0600 Report

Yes, I was always under the impression that ANY bread would hit me hard. Comforted in the fact that I can have a nice reuben sandwich (ocasionally) without too much damage.

jayabee52 2012-02-16 21:07:27 -0600 Report

check out the GI charts and then test it out on yourself to see if the rye "plays nice" with your metabolism or not.

Nick1962 2012-02-17 07:49:38 -0600 Report

I thought about doing that, but I've gone so long without it it might just be better to continue avoiding it. Knowing me it'd be one of those slippery slopes - first rye, then some pasta. I'm weak that way.

draco59 2012-02-16 15:05:42 -0600 Report

It hasn't change in months, Sandwich on whole whea, Ice cream bar and a small serving of chips. Because of our schedules, we fend for our selfs during the week. So It's like I was single. No changes, some might consider it boring, but it works for me.
Thanks Nick
Have a safe and wonderful day

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