having lows and not responding to them for some stupid reason!! anyone ever experienced this??

roshy
By roshy Latest Reply 2012-01-16 14:13:46 -0600
Started 2012-01-13 20:16:55 -0600

ive done this on a number of occasiions but yesterdaywas an all time moment of stupididy made me post this discussion. I hope other type ones can relate.
But id like to ask the question have you ever been in a suittuation where you know you are low because you have either tested or can feel the symptoms but fail to respond due to the envoirnent or suituation OR your simply too low to respond and act accordingly??

I can give an example.
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A few months ago i was attending a class provided by the college on self defense and it was quite late in the evening. It was a physical class so we were all up on our feet "defending ourselves" and next of all i feel a low comin on. I have the heavy tired and weak feeling and im pale as a sheet. I also get very giddy and easily amused as if im drunk, almost like everyythings funny sort of thing!! well i knew i had no tablets on me or any kind of sugar so i would have to leave the room and head over to the shop to get something and it was just too much of a hassle so ii hoped i would last the end of the class so i could sort myself out afterwards. and luckily i did. but imaagine the pickle i would have been in if i didnt make it to the end of the class. I guess reflecting over the whole thing, i should of left and returned with a bottle of coke but then i would of had to deal with explaining myself to the lecturerer why i left and why it was important which can get on my tits at the best of times, i guess having the suagr in the first place saves a lot of hassle!! but these things happen and you cant always be prepared for these things!!! shit happens!!!

but last night i had another low and i was simply too tired to deal with it so i left it!! i this happened a few times and for some reason i dont go into a coma my sugars rebound and go sky high in the morning !! it might be my" drunkin proccess" of thinking or lack of thinking during my low but i really should of gotten out of bed and sorted it out.

I have spoken to other diabetics and they have done the same. The have had the experience of being low and been told by others that they are low and they refuse to test just to be stubborn or they reply "ill eat something in a minute" and get kind of touchy about it!! ( which i find kind of amusing) my dad will walk around in the kitchen for ages like an eejit when hes low until you sit him down and shout at him or threathen to ring an ambulance until he eats something!! but he cant recognise his lows so you have to treat him differently!!! he will also become reaaly confused and start a conversation which he himself cant follow!!! ( i shouldnt find it funny but i do!!!)

so can anyone else relate>> any tips, i suppose dont be such a lazy arse and get something to eat intead of rolling over anf falling back asleep is good advice!! but i hope im not the only one who has experienced this!!! i guess i better sort my =self out if i am!!!

Do you yourself turn into a diabetic dxckhead and refuse to test when your told your low??

Has ignoring the signs of a low gotten you into a sticky suituation which might make other diabetic deliquents (LIKE ME) wake up and fetch the sugar ???

T hanks for reading guys!!


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Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2012-01-14 18:45:42 -0600 Report

Roshy, in September, I went to the Grand Prix trial runs thanks to tickets from the Mayors Office. My sister and I walked 3 blocks and hopped on a bus (no where to park downtown) got off and walked 3 blocks. I then had to climb a lot of stairs to get across the street over the track to the grand stand. I felt fine. We then walked to the Harbor and back which was about a mile altogether. Then another 4 blocks to the bus home and 3 blocks home. On top of all this it was hot and humid and I got a lemonade with no sugar. I would have been fine if I had gotten the lemonade with sugar and sipped it throughout the time I was there. I made it as far as the front steps and told my sister to get me two of my snack sized candy bars out of the freezer. I sat outside for an hour before I had the energy to go in the house.

The last time that happened was in a community meeting and the room was hot. I worked late and rushed home to get things for the meeting and forgot to eat a snack. Thankfully they had snacks at the meeting. Unfortunately I was in a position where I could not get up and go get a snack so I sent a text to one of the police officers that said "911 sugar low bring 2 cookies" he got me the cookies and water and then fussed at me for not eating. Now they check on me the minute they see me.

Now what I do is keep a tube of cake frosting in my purse. You can't not do something about the lows. I NEVER ignore them. Thankfully it is a rare occasion. It also helps that everyone I am in contact with on a regular basis knows I am diabetic and many know the signs of too low or too high sugar levels.

huffer
huffer 2012-01-16 09:36:51 -0600 Report

Joyce,
I will tell you what my endocrinologist told me, as I also was missing some lows. "The more you ignore small signs of low blood sugars the less you will recognize them and, sooner or later you will wind up in the E.R. or die". Very simply stated and I haven't missed a low blood sugar since! Needless to say low blood sugars will become recognized lower and lower the more you fail to react.
Hope this helps.
Huffer

door331
door331 2012-01-13 20:56:30 -0600 Report

I am usually very aware of my BG levels but I think many people have been in a situation where they risk leaving without some sort of sugars and end up going low for one reason or another. I know I have done it. It is a risk but no one knows your body better than you so weighing that risk is a choice you have to make. In your example you said you probably would have changed your actions so I guess you live and learn.

As for the symptoms (refusing, confusion, incoherent, etc) I have seen these both from a first person perspective and third. It is pretty scary when someone plummets that low and is a fear I have if I ever decide to live alone (luckily have not had that situation yet).

If you plan on taking additional self defense classes (or any class for that matter) it might be a good idea to inform the instructor of your condition— some people prefer to keep this private but if you are open it can really save you from a situation like the one you experienced.

Oh and a tip I would share with others is that it does not take a lot of glucose to raise your BG— tabs are usually 4g each. If my BG is around 60-70 I can take 2 and will rebound to around 120 after about 40-80 min. Obviously it will be different for each person but when you are low you usually crave more sugar than is necessary and then wonder why your BG has skyrocketed an hour later. The seesaw effect can take a while to get under control. I used to prefer juice but I have recently realized just how much easier glucose tabs are to accurately get my sugars back into my normal range.

Hope someone finds this information useful,
-Eric

JillStafford
JillStafford 2012-01-15 00:49:14 -0600 Report

This is really helpful! Behavior changes during lows are kind of like when someone is getting heat stroke. Even though they can see they have stopped sweating and are exhibiting other symptoms which lead to a dangerous physical shut down, they say no, I'm fine, I'm going to finish this . . . I was a field archaeologist and we dealt with this regularly. It really does help if at least someone else knows and can watch out with you.

red flower lady
red flower lady 2012-01-13 21:57:15 -0600 Report

This should help, especially the new diabetics. I would also say take a bag that has glucose tabs in it so it is with you(keep it with your keys) and maybe eat some peanut- butter and crackers before going into class or a situation that you know you won't leave to take care of yourself. When our bg gets low we don't think rationally.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-01-13 22:42:31 -0600 Report

Darlene that is why I like to keep my BGs just a LITTLE bit (130 to 140) on the high side when I am doing things like driving, especially for longer road trips.

I had been taken to task for saying something like this in the past, but I feel the extra levels of BG protect me from going low keeps me from going low and having brain fog, and getting into a dangerous or deadly situation. I had done a lot of road trips to see my Jem before I moved there. Probably had driven back and forth nearly 5 to 10 times altogether and I made it without mishap every time.

door331
door331 2012-01-15 06:35:54 -0600 Report

I also recommend erring a little higher rather than risk running low. As you said it is far safer to be slightly elevated when doing something like driving where a low could cause an accident.

On top of that I had a discussion with my podiatrist over a year ago in which he pointed me to a study (I wish I had the source material to link on the internet) where they compared A1C results over a period of 50 years and determined there was no difference in "complications" with people who had A1C in the 6s and those who had an A1C in the 7s— BUT they did find that there was a higher mortality rate for people in the 6 A1C group!

Obviously it is not good to run around with high BGs all the time either but don't let anyone scream at you if you are taking precautions to prevent lows.
-Eric

roshy
roshy 2012-01-15 17:54:08 -0600 Report

I think that study was ACCORD ( actio to control cardiovascular risk in diabetes)! the study had to come to a halt because of the high mortality rate!

they basicaly came to the conclusion that strict intense control is not better then control as there is a higher risk of dangerous lows.!

annesmith
annesmith 2012-01-15 01:31:53 -0600 Report

I had so many lows in the summertime , and ignored too many of them, that I finally made big big improvements. However, I have a tendency to eat 2 big meals a day, and rarely fall low…I eat a light supper, and over the last 6 months closer to a whole supper, and am happy. I fall low still though when I have say lemonade with no sugar, or anything very high in acid. Even toothpaste affects my blood sugars..ha…sincerely, ANNE

roshy
roshy 2012-01-13 22:03:24 -0600 Report

haha!! sorry im laughing because im not reeally new to diabetes, ive had it 8 year ( youd think id learn something as basic as this by now)s!!! but your totaly right, we need to prepare ourselves where ever we go and make sure we have a back up plan!! we learn from our experiences!

will this rebound thig happen every time i go low at night or will it only happen occasionally?? i dont understand why i didnt go into a coma , dont get me wrong it was brilliant that i didnt but others have ended up in a bad suituation which im hoping to aviod but i just dont understand how the whole rebound thing works!!

jayabee52
jayabee52 2012-01-13 22:31:56 -0600 Report

What I am thinking Roisen, is happening here is what is inelegently called a "liver dump" If it happens overnight it is called "dawn phenomon" Liver dump is an emergency response which all people have not just Persons with Diabetes (PWDs) have. But with PWDs it is more of a problem due to our inability to manage glucose levels on our own.

If a PWD uses that emergency resonse TOO much then the response gets weakened and sometimes goes away entirely. Then that would be when the coma would come. Or if one goes too low and the liver stores of glycogen are depleated, and therefore no more liver dumps are possible till glycogen stores are replentished, then that may be a situation where a SEVERE low or even a coma may happen.

I believe that it is good to treat every low, so that the liver dump mechanism is not compromised. Then you can go to sleep secure that should you go low when sleeping the emergency mechanism will work to keep you alive while until you wake up and can tend to your needs yourself when awake.

I think the whole rebound thing is a bit different where you eat some gluco tabs and you go higher from the gluco tabs

roshy
roshy 2012-01-16 14:13:46 -0600 Report

the dawn phenomon i have heard of before!! so this liver dump will eventually go away?? the body works in mysterious ways all the same!! i have to be a bit more roactive with my lows i think!
Im lucky enough to have never experienced a severe low! my father on the other hand has had a number of them in the past. Its very frightening. He tends to have them in the morning or in the evening. He has no low awareness. However he is doing a lot better now with the pump!

Thanks again for your input james!! ur a fantastic man for sharing out the facts!!