Please be careful when posting recipes on here!

Degibu
By Degibu Latest Reply 2012-08-08 00:46:26 -0500
Started 2011-12-22 09:37:23 -0600

I am always looking for new recipes and lately it has amazed me when I read the ones people are posting on here. This IS a diabetic web site! Why in the world would anyone post recipes that call for sugar, chocolate, candy bars, tons of flour, starch, carbs? Do they just not know what this site is about, or are they oblivious as to what they can and cannot eat? Please everyone, be extremely careful what recipes you add to this site. Unfortunately, working for a doctor, I find that some patients will see something in print and take it for the absolute truth and NOT use their own common sense and realize that they can't eat it.


56 replies

flipmom
flipmom 2012-08-08 00:46:26 -0500 Report

because they can… we are all here to learn. actually I would like to try a recipe there for pancake zucchini for my family… i know they would like it…=)

locarbarbie
locarbarbie 2011-12-31 11:15:11 -0600 Report

Degibu…You are absolutely right, but even if you are wrong…you have a right to your opinion. I have read and reread your post and for the life of me I do not get why so many feel "offended and attacked". You have not taken a holier than thou tone, but you are obviously passionate about this subject. As every diabetic person should be!! Until now I have not commented on the recipes but have stopped going to that section and search for good recipes that are beneficial to a diabetic person elsewhere. That is not to say that there are not ANY appropriate recipes on DC…but I do not have time to sift thru recipes that are loaded with flour, honey, pasta, corn, brown sugar etc. Yet so many are quick to substitute with egg beaters or egg whites (whole organic eggs loaded with omega 3 is not the devil!!), margarine over butter, etc etc. And yes, there are things that some with diabetes can eat without spiking their blood sugar that others can not. But seriously, cookies dipped in milk chocolate are not things ANY diabetic should be eating…and yes that is actually in the recipe section. I believe this is indicitave of what is wrong with diabetic education…there isn't any! It is all so hazy and wishy washy that most diabetic really have no clear cut idea of how to eat that for the most part would benefit all diabetics. But, I do know that ALL diabetics and non diabetics for that matter would benefit from
Organic non gmo vegetables, a large variety of colors and a large part of them raw as in a salad.
Organic pasture raised and grass fed meats
Non farm raised fish, especially those high in omega 3s such as salmon
low glycemic index fruits, organic
Avoid processed foods for the most part
Incorporate good fats such as olive oil, coconut oil, grapeseed oil and avocados
Alleviate simple carbs/sugars for the most part but may substitute with stevia and sugar as close to nature (less processed) such as coconut sugar
My intention is not to rewrite "War and Peace", LOL so I will just sum it up by saying that I feel that sticking as closely to what nature (God) intended is the best way to go. PS, I also advocate dark (85%) chocolate as an excellent antioxidant and yummy to boot!

Degibu
Degibu 2012-01-05 09:12:40 -0600 Report

THANK YOU! I was truly beginning to think that maybe it was me! *lol* I also know the recipe you mention "cookies dipped in milk chocolate". Right?!? How in the heck my commenting on inappropriate recipes offended these people is beyond the scope of anyone's understanding. It is (again!) MY OPINION that a web site that is dedicated to the health and well being of diabetics should have moderators dedicated to reviewing ANY AND ALL recipes that are submitted and removing those that call for ingredients like chocolate, sugar, honey, molasses, and swear to God, there's one on here that calls for "broken up pieces of candy bars"! IF they need more moderators in order to achieve that, then maybe they should ask some of their members to assist them. I know I would be glad to help out. But, I'm with you. I no longer bother with the recipe section of this web site as I don't have the time or patience to sift through the tons of unhealthy ones listed. OH, if you can eat dark chocolate without it affecting your glucose levels, good for you! :) I'm jealous… ;) *lol*

tabby9146
tabby9146 2011-12-31 09:24:24 -0600 Report

I have often wondered the same thing. Even a magazine I get at times will put things in the recipes that just shock me

Degibu
Degibu 2012-01-05 09:14:03 -0600 Report

I think I get the same magazine…Diabetes Forecast. Is that the one? I'm not renewing my subscription for that reason in particular. I just don't get it! :)

Young1s
Young1s 2011-12-30 20:33:41 -0600 Report

While you do have a valid point, you must understand by now that there isn't a "One Way Fits All" guide to diabetic cooking". And because of that, all of the recipes are going to reflect the diverse cooking styles of the community, as a whole. If you are looking for recipes that are solely diabetic, list nutritional values, give you acceptable substitutes, etc…there are thousands of such cookbooks available all over the net, in bookstores and on library shelves. I've reviewed one such book in the "Product Reviews" section. There really isn't much more to say than that. Except to reiterate, nobody said that you had to cook these recipes or follow them to the letter. Find one that you kind of like, tweek it to your desired taste or dietary needs and enjoy. Voila!

re1ndeer
re1ndeer 2011-12-30 10:52:31 -0600 Report

I'm a diabetic with other health issues.

Do to the fact that I can not have artificial sweetners in anything, I must use real sugar.

I do not use a lot of the sugar in the recipes, I normally cut the sugar use in half or sometimes less. And other times I use Honey or Pure maple syrup as a sweetner.

Please don't judge us unfriendly because we post recipes with sugar in them. When I post a recipe, It falls into the nutritional value needed for carbohydrates.

As others have said, look at the nutrional value of all recipes, and use those that fit into your lifestyle. There are a few recipes out there in the recipe section that do not reveal their nutrional values, so just skip them.

And if you feel that you like the recipe but not the contents of the recipe then either change it or ignore it.

Jeanette Terry
Jeanette TerryPA 2011-12-28 15:44:04 -0600 Report

As a few have said already, most of our recipes are member contributed and we as the administrative team do not moderate them to a great degree. Our recipe section is a place where you can share recipes that have worked for you. Now, everyone needs to keep in mind that every dish does not work for every person. It is true that some of the recipes here are not that diabetic friendly. So you need to use your judgement to see if it will work for your personal diet. If not, don't use it. Or you can adjust it to work for you. No one can say what is the perfect diet for someone with diabetes. Everyone's body is so different that we really just have to work it out on our own or with our medical support team such as a doctor or dietician.

Eversinging1
Eversinging1 2011-12-28 11:09:55 -0600 Report

I agree as well. I've noticed people using 3 or 4 different types of flour and artificial sweeteners, and I will go to a regular website and check out their receipe for the same thing and the carb count is very very close. Seems like it would be easier to stick with the simple "bad" receipe if the "good" receipe is too complicated and has no great benefit.

Degibu
Degibu 2011-12-29 08:35:14 -0600 Report

Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say. I thought I made it clear, but I guess some here just didn't get it. Have a great day Eversinging1.

Nick1962
Nick1962 2011-12-28 10:48:30 -0600 Report

I might get some flack for this but I do have to somewhat agree with Degibu. I’ve spent a good amount of time browsing the recipes. As professional cook, on the whole, they seem to be good for most diabetics. And for most educated diabetics, and I repeat educated, they can be adapted without issue. However, I have noticed several that have incomplete nutritional information; some have the information incorrect, and one or two make simply false statements about ingredients. One in particular - “peanuts have 0 carbs” - is simply not true. Based on that statement, and albeit taken out of context, someone just browsing may get the impression that they can eat peanuts at will. I have also seen recipes using brown rice syrup as a replacement for honey or corn syrup. While it is low-GI, its sweetness comes from maltose, which is known to cause spikes in blood sugar. Everyone here seems to be a smart consumer, but we should recognize that there are folks who do not subscribe to this site and may just have stumbled on a recipe, thinking because of the site it is acceptable. I did a simple Google search for “Diabetic Recipes” and DBConnect came up as 18th on the list, and the description line states “Healthy meals and recipes for people living with diabetes.”
I have a friend who is “denyabetic” who thinks a bag of Combos pretzels for breakfast is perfectly fine because they are “slow carbs”. Now he’s not stupid, but he isn’t really getting past much of the generic surface information provided for diabetics that’s out there. He doesn’t have the time to really get into detail about his diet the way most of us have. I agree it’s not our job to educate him, but I think we do have some responsibility to post things accurately and within the “Healthy meals and recipes for people living with diabetes” intent of the site.

Degibu
Degibu 2011-12-29 08:33:29 -0600 Report

Thank you Nick 1962 for actually taking the time to understand what my complaint was. I too have friends who are total "denyabetics" and it is frustrating to me because those are the people who will end up in the hospital with complications while those of us out here who have NO insurance coverage and are actually taking care of themselves will NEVER get any type of "health coverage" as other countries because of all the money that is spent on those who don't care. Again, thanks for getting it and sharing. Have a great day!

Nick1962
Nick1962 2011-12-29 10:31:07 -0600 Report

Thanks Degibu. I do fully understand the other’s positions as well – like anything its browser beware, and you are ultimately responsible for your own choices. I also understand the “community” aspect of the site in as much as some can enjoy some of the recipes from time to time. That being said, this is not Facebook, where anything goes, and our community is bound by one common thread – diabetes. The site is open to anyone for public consumption, and many out there are looking for only a quick fix. I think we, as a community do have a responsibility to others with our condition to make sure we aren’t contributing to the vast amount of misinformation that already exists. Does that mean we should put disclaimers on all our recipes “warning, this product may not be any healthier than its un-altered counterpart”? No, it didn’t really work for cigarettes, but before we offer up a chocolate cake made with artificial sweeteners, we need to seriously look to see if it is indeed any healthier, or if it would be of any great benefit to a diabetic.

MrsCDogg
MrsCDogg 2011-12-28 05:08:57 -0600 Report

So you are pretty sure that because you work for a doctor you know all there is to know about diabetes? Bravo for you!

Degibu
Degibu 2011-12-29 08:25:45 -0600 Report

Never said that. Wouldn't pretend to. Maybe you should try actually reading and understanding what my complaints with these recipes and the people that post them actually say. Like Nick1962 did. BTW, thanks Nick for actually getting the point.

valentine lady
valentine lady 2011-12-27 15:30:11 -0600 Report

Regardless of what you say now, it's how you say it. Your very rude, out of line, offensive and nitpicky to everyone that has contributed to the recipe site. You are not a professional and are really ruffling feathers on this site. I will stand up for all those before and with me now that have posted on this site. Do you honestly believe the staff would allow recipes that are bad for us? If you do, may I suggest that you take it to them and not take it out on us. All I can suggest is don't use the recipes. Nop one is forcing you to Valentine Lady

Degibu
Degibu 2011-12-29 08:30:05 -0600 Report

I HAVE taken it up with them, AND if you read Gabby's post, they DO NOT moderate the recipes, so YES, there ARE recipes on here that are NOT healthy for diabetics. Oh, and btw, no one is forcing YOU to read my posts if they offend you so much. In all honesty, I don't particularly care. In my opinion, and remember that it is ONLY in my opinion, you are easily offended by things and unfortunately, I was, in your eyes, wrong…wrong place, wrong time, wrong post. Sorry to "ruffle your feathers", but then again, no not really sorry.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2011-12-27 16:53:01 -0600 Report

We don't moderate the recipes. It is up to the members to post recipes that they think will fit into a diabetic lifestyle. Thus, there are many recipes that don't really fit. However, nearly every recipe can be modified to fit our diets. Everyone is so different and we come from different countries so there is not right or wrong. Each of us has to use our knowledge and adjust the recipes as we see fit.

When I adjust them, I usually share it in the comments so people can see how it can be used.

valentine lady
valentine lady 2011-12-29 18:05:40 -0600 Report

Gabby: Thank you for the information, I thought you checked these recipes as their posted. I apologize for my mistake. I agree with what you say though. I find and try these recipes before I post them. If I choose to make changes I post that too. I think we're adults here and know what we can or can not have and how many carbs we're to have as well. I think a person who tries to take over as a professional when their not shows how childish and rude they really are, in some countries it's called a Dictator. I'm certainly not speaking of you, Gabby, but rather the person who started all this mess. Thank you for letting me vent, I suppose that once in awhile we all need to. Sincerly, Valentine Lady

nzingha
nzingha 2011-12-23 16:28:38 -0600 Report

i've always remarked on that 2 ..the high carbs andsugar.. i dont look at those recipies!

Degibu
Degibu 2011-12-29 08:37:20 -0600 Report

Exactly! I don't bother with them either, but it just amazes me how many of them there are on this site. Have a great day nzingha.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2011-12-22 18:03:55 -0600 Report

I don't think anything is totally sugar free. However, depending how willlingly you are to do the research, you can convert the recipe. For instance, you can use Splenda baking blend or a natural sweetener. You can also find out if you can convert the white flour to soy flour. There are people who are diabetic who can have chocolate. The higher the coco level the better the chocolate is for you.

I have recipes I have gotten out of Diabetic Cook Books and magazines that have sugar and white flour and even if you make a cake you still wouldn't eat the entire cake. Common sense would tell you that if you do make a recipe posted here you don't sit down and eat all of it at one time.

I think you are assuming that people who are diabetic are not intelligent enough to realize they shouldn't eat something. Depending on the person and thier BG levels, he or she might be able to eat the food made from some of the recipes you mention. For instance I can eat a snack size candy bar. Do I eat one everyday? No. I am lucky if I have one once a month.

Finally, even though the recipes are posted doesn't mean that just because it is there, I or anyone else has to use it. For people who cook and know how to convert recipes, they could use the recipes. I look at them as a means of suggestions and if I want the recipe I use it after I convert it.

Degibu
Degibu 2011-12-29 08:47:37 -0600 Report

The higher the cocoa level, the better the chocolate is for those without diabetes. Sugar grams and carb grams are what is dire regarding our health. Please understand that it has been my experience for the past 11 years that the diabetics that I come in contact with including friends, family and business contacts, the majority, sadly DO NOT realize what they should and shouldn't be eating. I don't think it has ANYTHING to do with their intelligence level at all. I think it has to do with the fact that they were never educated on their disease AT ALL! I guess it's no longer a requirement for the diagnosing doctor to refer them to a diabetologist and/or nutritionist for this much needed education. I do the same thing with recipes, I convert or alter or whatever I have to do to make them nutritionally correct, but again, there are those out there that don't know how to do that and just accept whatever is written as "diabetic friendly".

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2011-12-29 11:51:59 -0600 Report

I agree. I can have coco but in moderation. It is true that physicians do not do the referrals to dietitians or diabetes specialist. Thankfully my Dr. did that for me. I have a neighbor who is diabetic as well as her mother. Her mother died because of complications of diabetes and cancer. She feels that because her mother didn't do anything about her disease she can also. She is now suffering with very high cholesterol. Intelligence levels do play a role. People have learning disabilities and because of this they may not have the ability to learn as those of us without a disability. Diabetic friendly could be "friendly" for some diabetics. Just because it isn't "friendly" for you doesn't mean that it is wrong to post the recipes.

pixsidust
pixsidust 2011-12-22 14:45:38 -0600 Report

Good points! We want to help each other move forward in our healthy choices not keep with those that hurt us

Degibu
Degibu 2011-12-22 11:46:23 -0600 Report

While I understand that, and it may just be me, but I don't understand a "non diabetic" recipe being posted on a web site called "diabetic connect". I am constantly changing recipes to fit my diet but as I said, judging from my experience with so called "deny-abetics" it is never a good idea to expect them to ignore anything OR to actually READ nutritional values. In my dealings with patients on a daily basis, I can, in all honesty, say that 99% of them have NO CLUE how to read food labels, which totally astounds me since it's been something that I've been doing since I was 16 years old and in completely good health.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2011-12-29 11:57:54 -0600 Report

Deg, I think you have an problem with putting everyone in the same boat and making them the same. You have been reading labels since you were 16, so what? Does this mean that because a person doesn't read them or don't no how makes them less smarter or concerned as you? I think you should climb down from the pillar you have put yourself on before you fall off and hurt yourself. If you were any kind of person who worked with patients on a daily basis and they don't know how to read a food label, why can't you teach them instead of criticizing them? This tells me that in your care of patients, you have no compassion for them at all. EVERYONE with diabetes is different. Some can have certain foods while others cannot. For instance a piece of candy may not change my blood sugar levels while another person could have an adverse effect on them.

kdroberts
kdroberts 2011-12-23 16:08:50 -0600 Report

I think you are painting everyone with the same brush and kind of insulting peoples intelligence. Diabetes affects people in so many different ways that there is no such thing as a non diabetic recipe. Sure, some may not work for some people but they may be fine for somebody else. The goal of managing diabetes is to prevent complications so you can live your life, it's not about trying to make everyone eat the same way. For instance an extremely active type 1 teenager will have a completely different nutritional requirement and tolerance than a 70 year old, overweight type 2. You have to remember that there are parents, teenagers, young adults, middle aged adults, elderly adults of type 1, type 2, gestational, LADA and likely some other types, underweight, overweight, at the right weight and a whole host of other factors who would be looking at the recipes. Besides, there is no requirement for everything on the website to be specifically about diabetes, a lot gets posted in every section that has nothing to do with diabetes.

On the subject of 99% of patients you see on a daily basis having no clue how to read food labels. That's not the fault of the person posting a recipe, it's the fault of the caregivers who are supposed to be treating and educating them and/or the patient themselves. Saying people shouldn't post recipes because people are unaware about how to figure out if they are good or not is kind of like telling a kid to stay indoors because they may get hit by a car since no one educated them on how to cross the street.

Degibu
Degibu 2011-12-29 08:50:19 -0600 Report

Not painting everyone with the same brush or trying to insult peoples intelligence. Just stating MY observations and MY experiences with people. That's all.

Type1Lou
Type1Lou 2011-12-22 13:36:54 -0600 Report

I find your word "Denyabetic" particularly apt. For those of us who do read the food labels and are interested in the nutritional values, especially the carbs per serving, I will input a recipe with my adaptations in www.recipenutrition.com. It will then give you the nutritional values needed to make wise food choices. I find that many so-called diabetes-friendly recipes are still way too high in carbs for me to indulge. Happy and healthful holidays to you and yours!

Degibu
Degibu 2011-12-27 09:08:53 -0600 Report

Thanks for the link! It should come in handy for those who actually care what is in the recipes they post. :)

Caroltoo
Caroltoo 2011-12-22 16:38:20 -0600 Report

Thanks for the site information. This is what is keeping me from posting. Didn't want to until I had the nutritional facts to go with them.

Type1Lou
Type1Lou 2011-12-23 08:42:11 -0600 Report

You will need to go to the "Build a recipe" option on that site and publish your recipe there. I've done that, then I come to the recipe section of DC and post any recipes that I think people might like. There are other sites as well that provide nutritional values but I just happened to stumble across this one and find it works very well.

Caroltoo
Caroltoo 2011-12-23 13:22:33 -0600 Report

Thanks, I was playing around last night on SparksPeople teaching myself how to use there's also. The didn't have all the flours (non-wheat) and natural, non-sugar, sweeteners that I wanted, so I'll try this one next. Thanks!

Gabby
GabbyPA 2011-12-22 09:51:21 -0600 Report

That is why we post the nutritional values. It allows us to look at the recipe and see if we can use it. It is best if we have things that are diabetic friendly, but sometimes you just have to make something different OR you find one that you can make substitutes for to make it work for you.

If there is not nutritional value posted with it, I tend to avoid them. If they are questionable, I will ask about it. But sometimes you just have to ignore some recipes if you are not good at substitutions.