Diabetes Learning Curve

By GabbyPA Latest Reply 2012-08-14 20:14:56 -0500
Started 2011-12-02 09:34:09 -0600

Of late, I have seen so many discussions that are full of frustration, disgust and anger. Not at the disease so much, but at ourselves for not getting things right all of the time.

None of us went to diabetes school. We were kind of thrown into "class" with no knowledge of what we are getting into and a lot of times our "professors" are not diabetic, but they teach us their views which of course are the most correct ways to do or learn things. NOT!

Let's face it. The learning curve on being diabetic and all it entails is HUGE. And to compound the issue, each of us is so different and this disease is custom built. No one size fits all. We have to not only learn how to deal with our specific needs, but we also have to fight the onslaught of uneducated people around us who all know what is good for us. AAARRRGGG! It makes you want to pull you hair out.

So here we go. We are in class. Take notes. Ask a lot of questions. Experiment and discover for yourself things that the "teachers" don't teach you. Do your research and keep an open mind. Listen to the instructors, but know that it is just a foundation for you to build on. We are going for a masters degree, so expect it to take time and to be hard work. In the end it will pay off with knowledge to use in nearly any situation and better control for you. The goal will be a longer life with less complications.

Share with us some of the life lessons you have had in your diabetes class.

104 replies

cindygal1 2012-01-25 15:01:34 -0600 Report

Guess I was lucky, I went to diabetes school, but they sent my husband, but we have diabestes on both sides of the family, so I have learned a lot dealing with the family, It isn't much different than what you learn on here, they go into a little more detail, but it was in 1992, that i went to school, I have my book still yet, so I will go through it and post some of the information in there, but it will be later that I can do that.

MarkS 2011-12-08 23:54:13 -0600 Report

Agree! I was at a scientific lecture the other day and the sad thing about diabetes is there hasn't been a lot of 'new discoveries' since rapid acting insulin, and that's not enough. Its truly amazing when you hear that, while insulin is a life-saving drug, it falls far short of the way a non-diabetic's body metabolizes insulin.

sallicia 2011-12-09 23:15:38 -0600 Report

I and My husband feel like we are all alone when it comes to taking care of my Type1 and Type2 Diabetes,Because Here in Texas Where live the Doctors tell us that they really don't know much about Diabetes! And I can't go see a Diabetic Educator becaus my Medicaid wont Pay for me to see one! I was told by my Diabetic Doctor,That it costs 3,000 dollars! So I asked him if he was going to Pay For It for me! Sallicia

jayabee52 2011-12-09 23:44:49 -0600 Report

Howdy Salley!

$3000 seems a bit extreme!

Fortunately you have found DC and you can get an education here by going to the "living with diabetes"and the "Health Center" link on the left

And then I learned a great deal by being on the discussion boards also. Here on the boards you can talk with someone who is actually living with this condition and in many cases have it managed fairly well.

Blessings to you and yours!


northerngal 2012-01-25 14:54:34 -0600 Report

Right on. I'd also add that you should see an internal medicine MD at the very least! Primary care physicians generally don't have more than basic knowlege of diabetes, so they won't have the resources and extra information needed to truly assist you. As stated above, each of us is different and we respond differently to things, so we have to figure it out for ourselves. One size definately does not fit all with diabetes. An Endocrinologist is the best option, because diabetes is one of the endocrine specialities. They need to understand how the pancreas works (or doesn't work, for type 1) and how to calculate diet and insulin needs based on the individuals life style. There is a scientific method to calculate those things and its a good start, then you adjust from there. For those without access to specialists, make sure you do some homework and find a doctor who deals with diabetics and is more knowlegable about it and willing to learn more. Don't be afraid to switch if you aren't getting the care you need. I called my insurance company and asked for names. There is a limited number of physicians accepting new patients and when I explained why a general practitioner was unacceptable, they were willing to help find a good one. Be stubborn and don't accept the runaround. Ask to speak to someone higher up who can help. Many who answer incoming calls cannot give specific information. It may be frustrating, but if you find a good doctor, it will prove to be worth it.

t2peakbagger 2011-12-05 10:29:45 -0600 Report

Thank you Gabby. The learning curve with diabetes can definitely be frustrating. Eating, for example, used to pose an almost constant struggle for me. I wanted the apple fritter, chips and pizza, but knew they were "bad" for me, and when I ate such things, I felt like a bad person. I've recently re-framed the way I think about food. Now, when I look at my food options, I no longer ask myself "Will I be good or bad?" but rather "How do I want to feel physically and mentally?" Do I want energy and a clear mind, or do I want to crash and be mentally foggy? More often than not, asking how I want to feel physically and mentally makes it much easier (almost instinctive) to pick the right foods. Thus, when faced with a choice between a high carb/high sugar muffin and a chicken salad for breakfast (yes, salad for breakfast), I easily gravitate toward the salad, because I know without a doubt that the muffin will make me crash and the salad will make me feel better, physically and mentally. Of course, picking healthy foods also has emotional/psychological benefits, but those are a bonus and not the primary motivator. The real reward is feeling better physically and mentally, which tends to be immediately reinforcing, and thus self-perpetuating. A word of caution, however: it takes a little while before your body begins to naturally gravitate toward more healthy foods, so hang in there. Change is a process, but it is well worth the effort.

Mickey/CCHT 2011-12-05 17:57:26 -0600 Report

Had to stick in my 2 cents! I can't help myself!! I just had to say, there have been many mornings that I have had a salad for breakfast! With my crazy hours when it is time for breakfast, I have been up and at work for hours, so it no longer feels like breakfast! Plus, I'm not huge into breakfast foods, unless it's for dinner!! LOL

GabbyPA 2011-12-06 17:15:04 -0600 Report

I often do sauteed veggies for breakfast. I find if I have a nearly zero carb breakfast, I do much better through out the day. If I eat even 20g of carbs, I am messed up.

sallicia 2011-12-09 23:20:55 -0600 Report

I have to eat any where frpm30 to 45 grams of carbs at every meal,because if I don't I get messed up, and my bloodsugar drops! Sallicia

GabbyPA 2011-12-10 08:03:10 -0600 Report

Carbs in the morning are just hard for me. I am usually high in the mornings and adding to that is just bad. So I try to eat a few carbs as I can in the morning. That gets my numbers going down and the rest of my day can go well.

Nana_1961 2011-12-10 08:09:22 -0600 Report

Good Morning ,
I been sick last few days w/ tummy bug and my usual soup my husband makes I can't have so its been tough. My husband , bless his heart has been researching recipes,food labels, etc… cooking the best he can to help me w/ my pre d and weight. This Thursday, the 15th we will celebrate our 33ard wedding anniversary. We are trying to decide what to eat for dinner that night keeping my diet in mind :) Any ideas?? Thanks :)
Hope everyone has a blessed weekend.

Ladida 35
Ladida 35 2012-08-14 20:14:56 -0500 Report

roasting sliced yams (3/4 in thick with skin on) 30 min@ 350 and drizzle olive oil and a sprinkle of cayenne. It's great warm or cold and so yummy. Grill boneless skinless chicken breast after sprinkling Old Bay seasoning, oregano and a little zesty Italian dressing. Let stand 30 min @ room temp or overnight in the frig. The longer the better and as much old bay as you like on each side. After taking off the grill let stand 5 minutes after drizzling olive oil. I like to grill asparagus or zucchini after drizzling olive oil and sprinkling oregano & pepper. This is a yummy meal and the olive oil give you the good fat like in Mediterranean diet. How can something so delicious be so good for you? Let me know if you try it. It's very healthy!
Happy 33rd!

GabbyPA 2011-12-10 08:16:06 -0600 Report

Congratulations! I just had my 10th this year. It goes so fast doesn't it?

How about a nice grilled or broiled piece of fish with tender steamed baby veggies. A nice garden greens salad with a nice fresh dinner roll and butter?
Roasted pork loin with a bit of a glaze, maybe orange. Some sweet potatoes diced and sauteed with a little olive oil, cinnamon and some walnuts. Again a nice garden salad.

There are a lot of great recipes here to check out. for desert you can have a Lemon Whip (one of my favorites here) So easy, low carb and yummy.

Caroltoo 2011-12-06 17:29:06 -0600 Report

One of my favorite breakfasts is some baby bok choy, celery, and mushrooms sauteed until tender; add a mound of spinach and let it cook down; pull this together into a little nest and then steam an egg in the nest.

Another is to do a veggie fritatta.

Great way to start the day with fiber, low carbs, and good protein. Do all of the above in olive oil to get my good mufa/oil. Sometimes add avocado to either of them as they cook.

Jeanae 2011-12-07 08:53:43 -0600 Report

I make an egg white fritatta using onions, garlic, kale, and mushrooms. I add Greek yogurt to the egg whites and beat them until incorporated and fluffy. My husband and kids started eating that for breakfast too. They love it.

GabbyPA 2011-12-06 18:03:08 -0600 Report

Yum! I have a friend who does the best fritattas. Every time I am there for breakfast, she does them.
My veggie pack is usually zucchini, yellow squash, onion and some sweet potatoes with mushrooms. Then I put it on a fresh bed of spinach and add an egg.

sallicia 2011-12-09 23:26:13 -0600 Report

On the veggies, My husband forgets that Iam supposed to eat veggies at lunch and supper!:So there are a lot of times and meaLS THAT i DON'T GET TO HAVE MY VEGGIES! And my Husband dose all of the cooking in our house!Sallicia

meowbat 2011-12-07 08:01:22 -0600 Report

on the veggie plate, you had me right up to the egg. but still sounds like my kind of food!!!!!

Young1s 2011-12-07 08:23:22 -0600 Report

You sound like my husband. Can't stand eggs. The smell of them will send him running from the room. Funny thing is, he'll eat foods I cook that have eggs in the recipe. It's just the eggs alone that do him in.

GabbyPA 2011-12-05 10:38:38 -0600 Report

I like your question "How do I want to feel physically and mentally?" That is very good and makes us think about the ramifications of what we are about to do.

janetfitzgerald70 2011-12-05 16:33:35 -0600 Report

Hi my name is Janet, my mom is a diabetic and also has other health issues. I can not contact them because their phone is out and i do not have transportation and i live about 3 hours away from them. I do write to them but they don't write back. this is really hard on me.

Mickey/CCHT 2011-12-05 17:59:19 -0600 Report

That's terrible! You poor thing! That would drive me crazy!! Is there a neighbor or friend close to them? What about a pastor? You probably already thought of those things though, huh. Will say a prayer for you to maybe get some help from someone that can check in on your parents and let you know!
Please stay strong.
God Bless, Mickey

spitfirelady 2011-12-07 17:52:21 -0600 Report

Janet, this happened to us before… I finally called my home town police department..they checked on my dad since I had tried for two days. Turns out, his phone had gone out and he didn't know it!

Jan8 2011-12-04 17:34:25 -0600 Report

The plate method,what size our plate should be,(much smaller that our regular dinner plates. If I have a salad for lunch i should balance it withDannon Greek yogurt. To take my blood sugar often 4-6x day. To use the rule of 15 to get my blood sugar up if it is below 80. To take one small step at a time because it is a lifetime of learning.
Keep a journal of the date time,blood gluose, medication and notes about what i have eaten. Not to stress about blood sugars if it's just a couple of days,but if more than a week to give the doc a call.

Tiger62ID 2011-12-05 15:47:33 -0600 Report

Hi. My name is Grace and I'm new here. I haven't heard of the rule of 15 before. What is it?

Jan8 2011-12-05 16:39:04 -0600 Report

for me if my blood sugar goes below 80 I take 2 glucose tablets wait 15 minutes and take the BG again,if it is still too low I take 2 more and then 15 minutes take it again and repeat if still too low. Also if my blood sugar is below 60 I take 3 glucose tabs and wait 15 minutes and keep repeating the same if still too low. some people like to take OJ,milk,crackers,fruit, Lots of people find out what works for them.

Tiger62ID 2011-12-05 17:59:51 -0600 Report

Thanks for answering… I know to recheck in 15 minutes. I've just never heard of it referred to that way.

jayabee52 2011-12-05 18:20:03 -0600 Report

I call it the "rule of 15s" makes it easier for me (and perhaps others) to remember that way.

I take in 15 grams of fast acting carbs, wait 15 min & test my BG levels. If they don't come up then repeat the cycle until it does. Then I suggest a protein (like a peanut butter cracker) so the BG is maintained and doesn't drop again soon.

Young1s 2011-12-05 16:55:50 -0600 Report

Are you sure that's safe for you? 15 minutes doesn't seem like enough time to judge. What if you've eaten something that naturally slows down your metabolism? I'm not wondering about the first two, it's the ones after that are of concern.

Just Joyce
Just Joyce 2011-12-05 22:58:56 -0600 Report

pc I was thinking the same thing. I tried that once when my blood sugar was low and it didn't work for me. I just drank a half can of real soda and was fine.

jayabee52 2011-12-05 18:14:18 -0600 Report

PC,~ That would be true but you don't want to wait much more as if it is not coming up you want to act quickly to try to bring it up again.

I suggest to folks that if they don't get a rise in BG levels after about 5 attempts to raise their BG, something else is going on with them and they should be checked out by a medical professional such as an ER or Quick care doc ASAP.

Young1s 2011-12-05 18:55:02 -0600 Report

Oh, okay. I've never seen them before. And, neither my doc nor my D nurse have ever suggested I carry them. But I do carry hard candies, per their suggestion. I was just concerned that the glucous pills, like most meds, should be taken cautiously. So I take it their not too potent?

jayabee52 2011-12-05 23:30:02 -0600 Report

I think the maximum I've seen is 5 carb grams per tablet.I think there are smaller amounts too. If there are larger amounts contained in some tablets I am not aware of them. (but they may exist) Of the 5 gram tablets one would take 3 tabs and then wait the 15 mins, then test. It makes the measuring of carb intake more precise. In 15 min there should be some reaction regarding BG rise. Even if it rises 2 or 3 points it is a rise.

jayabee52 2011-12-05 18:55:47 -0600 Report

I just kinda heard about them from other PWDs. None of my Drs told me of them either. I guess they took it for granted that I knew. If you check in the diabetes care section in pharmacy you should find them. If not ask the pharmacist where to find the Diabetic Glucose tablets.

Each tablet has a certain amount (grams) of glucose in each (check the container because different manufcturers put out different strength tabs)

This proceedure "the rule of 15s" is to stay off of the Blood glucose roller coaster when having a low. Often (I saw it in Jem when she was having a low) a person who is low is kinda frantic to eat. and they shovel in high carb food like there's no tomorrow and as a result go way high. Then after a bit their BGs plummet again. And that person is riding the BG roller coaster. I suggest eating some protein just after the fast acting carb, so the BG won't plummet precipetously again.

sallicia 2011-12-09 23:33:34 -0600 Report

Hi, jaybee52, I don't like the taste of the Diabetic Glucose Tablets! So when I have an insulin reaction my Husband tries to give me candy,soda,SunnyD! Those are the only things he can get me to take when my bloodsugar is low! sallicia

Gracie40 2011-12-03 12:35:54 -0600 Report

Oh, Gabby, you are so level-headed. You bring out the best in us by being the best you can be. What an inspiration. Thanks ever so much. Gracie

Hesther 2011-12-03 04:50:19 -0600 Report

I am just starting to keep a journal. I am hoping that this will help me get better control of my diabetes. My doctors seem to think that it will. They are also trying to contact the companies that make the pumps to see if they have any assistance programs because I do not have medical insurance. They are also trying to get me a new monitor that checks your blood sugar and your blood pressure at the same time. Do you have any suggestions on what to keep in the journal? I have not been very proactive when it comes to taking care of myself. I am starting to get back on track, but there are times I want to throw my hands up and say I'm done. Any suggestions would be of great help.

pixsidust 2011-12-04 10:51:35 -0600 Report

Besides carbs you could list your weekly weigh in. You may want to put what you ate each meal along with the carbs. I found one large banana spiked my sugar while I could have a half banana in the morning and be just fine. I ate the other half in another part of the day so not to waste it. I did not have to stop eating them. You may find that with other things as well. You will be able to experiment and track your success visually seeing it in your journal. You may want to track carbs burned through exercise as well. Seeing it in writing sometimes inspires one to try harder, I believe. I bought the biggest loser walking a mile tape. Being indoors, its nice to have and goes by quickly. Its something anyone at any level can do. Best of all you are home with all your amenities and can stop at any time..but you won't want to. You strive to do more writing it down!

Caroltoo 2011-12-04 10:58:57 -0600 Report

Pixsi: good suggestions. I too had the experience of being able to eat 1/2 banana after finding I could not manage a whole one. Diabetes is like a big balancing act. Now I frequently share one with my husband who doesnt' have much of an appetite.

SCLWKR 2011-12-05 17:03:24 -0600 Report

I have also discovered that I can not tolerate a whole banana :( which I like to have in my morning cereal. You are so correct that it is a balancing act and different for everyone. I guess that is what makes it so challenging. :) Sherrie

Caroltoo 2011-12-05 18:56:17 -0600 Report

Right! You have to be willing to experiment and find your own answers. The funny/odd thing I've seen though is that sometimes my own answers for myself change especially as my health improves. So it's not only to be willing to experiment, but to continually reevaluate and adapt. Glad I've always likes puzzles! This is a kaleidoscope not a two-dimensional 500 piece puzzle!

Caroltoo 2011-12-05 19:03:20 -0600 Report

Living with the big D for 10 years gives lots of opportunities to learn. Bet you did the same things. :)

SCLWKR 2011-12-05 19:12:09 -0600 Report

Sure did and am still doing it. You ar right on the money when you remark that wwe have to always reassess our condition. In a way, I think it is a good thing. Keeps us aware of our bodies, habits and changing circumstances. My willingness to accept that I think comes from my training and experience as a social worker having to continually reassess sitations, families, and individuals.

Caroltoo 2011-12-05 19:19:58 -0600 Report

Sherrie: Now that you mention it, I too see a parallel in my MFCC training. I focused on Systems Theory, Bowen in particular, but I think from childhood I've been fascinated by seeing how change happens. Was amazed to discover others had founded a school of therapy based on similar principles. Fun, but also very helpful.

GabbyPA 2011-12-03 20:25:56 -0600 Report

Wow, you have a great team! Those are gold and hold on to them and learn how they do that for you. There are many of us who are uninsured and would love to be able to be on a pump or a CGM.

As for the journal, you pick a goal and make that your focus. When I first started, I only counted carbs in my journal. I write what I eat, when I ate it and made sure I was measuring. That helped me see the 100's of carbs I was eating in any given day. YIKES. So as I reduced them I could see my numbers improve.

Once you have that first goal rolling, pick another thing that you want to work on and add that to your journal. If you do too much at first, it will get overwhelming. Allow your curiosity to guide you into what you want to do for your journal. Then ask your team of doctors what they want to see in there. Before you know it, you will be journaling like a pro.

spitfirelady 2011-12-07 18:09:01 -0600 Report

I also journaled when I found out my sugars were elevating. I also weighed my portions, too. This made me aware of my portions… That , I found, helped tremendously .. I weight cereals, nuts, pasta after it was cooked…just kept it on the counter and found my husband began using it. I not only got my sugar under control by food changes, but lost weight I needed to lose. I kept account of not just carb but fat, protein and fiber( to make sure I got higher fiber mgs daily). I actually had fun challenging myself making the right choices.

watson4042 2011-12-03 01:34:07 -0600 Report

what a great insight! i got upset earlier today when my bs dropped to 74. i thought ok eat something good for me; cottage with pineapple; it only got me to a bs of 88 then my roommate expllained the cottage cheese drops on bs and pineapple would up it, but that there proballt waswn't enough pineapple to compensate so i ate a kit kat bar and the bs went to 92. we then had dinner and im now at a bs of 239. i'm bouncing all over the place and figuring it out is driving me crazy!! some i've started a journal of what i eat when at what bsw, and check back 2 hours afterward. i sure hope this helps me out!

SCLWKR 2011-12-05 17:09:03 -0600 Report

I have had similar experiences with BG taking a big jump. I drink 16 oz bottle of water and it usually reduces it. When you dip, as far as cottage cheese and pineapple, try a banana or a glass of apple juice (instead of OJ) instead. You can keep juice boxes handy if you are away from home and have a dip. I was also told that a few jelly beans can help as well.

GabbyPA 2011-12-03 20:18:45 -0600 Report

Here is the trick. First 74 is not really that low. I would have tested in a few minutes to see if it was going down our up. If it was going down, you want a quick acting sugar like juice or sugar or soda (not diet). That will pull you up, then you can test again in 15 or so minutes. If you are going up, you can stop treating and then eat your regular meal or snack. The reason you kept climbing was that a kit kat is a slow acting carb because of the fat in the candy. That makes it rise slower (not what you want in a low situation) and last longer, thus the higher numbers later.

It is all crazy that is for sure. I think that should be our minor under our masters. LOL

watson4042 2011-12-03 21:23:41 -0600 Report

thank for the insight, i thought (and maybe i should stop thinking) that a candy bar was a candy bar. aare you saying that some candies are faster than others? i should've reached for the clucose tablets instead.

jayabee52 2011-12-03 21:37:32 -0600 Report

The digestion of Chocolate is slowed down by the fats in it. That is why it is not the best choice. (that being said, if you are low and nothing else is around which is better, it is better than nothing)

A candy like a starlight mint or butterscotch candy would be better. Since they are nearly pure sugar and will quickly be digested and enter the bloodstream.

The best is a liquid like regular soda or orange juice which needs minimal digestion and quickly brings up your Bg readings.

GabbyPA 2011-12-04 07:54:21 -0600 Report

Yes, most of us carry some sort of tablet or hard candies in our little diabetic ditty bags. I have glucose tablets because they don't melt in Florida heat, but what ever you have keep it around. I have never had to use mine, but it was good to have it, as a fellow diabetic needed some one day. So you never know.

Young1s 2011-12-04 08:50:28 -0600 Report

I never thought about it like that. Because I am Type II, I didn't think I would ever have the need. But just because I might not, doesn't mean someone else won't. Thank goodness you were in the right place at the right time.

GabbyPA 2011-12-05 10:09:42 -0600 Report

Yes, it was my grocery store cashier...she needed a break to eat, but couldn't get one. I was kind of upset at the situation, but glad I was there.

Poppop1961 2011-12-05 17:41:48 -0600 Report

I use mini m&m's if my sugar goes down to low. I find it works quickly for me rather than juice, soda or sugar. But thats just me. I don't know about anyone else.

jayabee52 2011-12-04 15:04:12 -0600 Report

and as a type 2 and on metformin at that time I didn't eat at all that morning and I dropped to about 40. and I was at work. So I just happened to have a regular soda in my car, excused myself and quickly went to the car to down that soda.

I was OK after that. But I thereafter always had a way to correct a low with me.

Young1s 2011-12-03 02:05:49 -0600 Report

That's a great place to start. My journals have some of everything in there. This may sound a little crazy but bear with me.

I have one journal that shows my testing times and numbers, what I eat/drink and when, what exercises I do and when, what meds and when, etc… The other is basically turning into a giant shopping list. It is a list of foods that I am testing or have tested, so I can know what won't spike me too high. It is seperated into catagories (dairy, meats, vegies, etc) and the name of the brand. Underneath each food item I record how many carbs are fat, sugar, other and the total carbs; as well as the amount of protein.

My nutritionist says that I am overdoing it, but it works for me, so I will continue to do it until it doesn't. Plus it is a good reference for when I am making a list to go to the store and cuts down on my shopping time, which is still ridiculously long. But I figure, the more label I read now, the less I will have to do it in the long run.

Correction: That should read how many carbs of fiber, not fat.

watson4042 2011-12-03 16:44:31 -0600 Report

thanks pcyoung38, ki think i'll follow your example as it's the only way i'll know what to eat. trial and error to find the way.

jayabee52 2011-12-03 16:53:01 -0600 Report

There's a way to eliminate much of the trial and error along the way and find how your unique metabolism handles certain foods and drinks. I will share it should either of you may be interested. All you need to do is ask.

watson4042 2011-12-03 21:17:09 -0600 Report

yes sir! i'm interested. what record keeping ive done is hap hazard at best and i keep changing it to accomodate my notes and stuff. appreciate the offer! (:-)

watson4042 2011-12-03 21:18:58 -0600 Report

hi! are you color coding anything? bought some journals today so i can dedicate 1 page a day. but do you make is concise for the doctor to scan?

jayabee52 2011-12-03 18:10:33 -0600 Report

well I think it may well work together with what you do now Patricia.

Since we are friends and can email on DC, I will send it via email. I do that for two reasons: #1 if I post it here it tends to get "buried" with passing time and new postings. If you do not delete this email (I do not) then it is always available even though you might have to search for it in your inbox a bit. #2 I have posted it several times before and I would prefer not posting it in a discussion again so not to clutter the boards with the same or similar postings. So expect the email in your inbox momentarily.

Young1s 2011-12-03 19:12:40 -0600 Report

Thank you James. I just noticed the Inbox message indicator. I will give it a read shortly. I know what you mean about posting getting lost. As you may recall, I was in a bind about how to save posting so that I could refer back to them later. You suggested I get a flashdrive. Well I did. So I will be able to safely keep your message in two places. As always you are the man.

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