By kaiya2465 Latest Reply 2011-10-21 15:59:51 -0500
Started 2011-10-13 08:47:04 -0500

I am still trying to figure out what the real difference is between Pre-Diabetes & Type II. With everything that I have read, to me there is no difference any help with more info would be wonderful. I am 5'4, 110 lbs, Eat healthy & exercise daily. I posted this on sleep connect, not paying attention that I should have posted this here.

Thank you

69 replies

maciccu 2011-10-21 12:27:14 -0500 Report

I am curious about why you are testing your blood sugar at all. You numbers are normal. Your A1c is normal. You are not overweight. You seem to be spending a lot of time and energy on testing and worrying and calling for help and wanting diabetes education. Why? From the numbers you are posting, you do not have diabetes or pre diabetes. Help me understand how this all started and why you are worrying about this.

kaiya2465 2011-10-21 12:31:18 -0500 Report

My doctor diagnosed me with Pre-Diabetes, he also stated that I am very close to being T2, but said he will not say T2 at this point. That is why so many questions
& worries. He is also the one that told me I have to monitor my bg everyday.

cutiecew921 2011-10-17 17:45:07 -0500 Report

Well the difference is with prediabetes you have a number of other factors besides above normal bg, I have prediabetes and have syndrome x, pcos, and have a family history. My dad has type II diabetes but was originally diagnosed as type 1.

kaiya2465 2011-10-17 17:55:03 -0500 Report

What is pcos? No family history of it ,had babies over 9lbs, syndrome x, Today am back in this stupid wheelchair, can't feel my legs & feet…grrr, not feeling sorry for myself just get mad when this happens.

cutiecew921 2011-10-17 18:04:25 -0500 Report

pcos is called poly cystic ovarian syndrome, which has to do with your ovulation, I don't have regular ovulations so it is difficult to get pregnant. I don't have a family history either, imost people don't have a family history that get diagnosed. I was. I can't imagine the pain you are going through. It must be so hard.

kaiya2465 2011-10-17 18:08:19 -0500 Report

Thank you, I don't have that. I have enough medical It's hard, but when I am in this stupid chair..I just say.."it's time to keep rollin".

kaiya2465 2011-10-14 18:26:46 -0500 Report

Ok, I am gonna be dramatic here…I tested before dinner & now I am afraid to eat..BG 125. Is this bad, it looks bad, but am just figuring things out. Help

funtimes 2011-10-16 02:43:20 -0500 Report

I've been predaibetic since 2006——below 130 is the rule for before meals—below 180 2 hours after meals—-below 140 before bedtime. Keep A1C below 7——————-let me tell you, portion control at meals is important! Exercise also…good luck

MsBugzee 2011-10-16 01:20:45 -0500 Report

Hi Kaiya…when I had fasting BG done it was 128, my doctor referred me to a diabetes ed class which was paid for by a sponsor of BG meters. The meter was free and then they took my insurance info. If you are receiving disability income, isn't there some help through them? I agree with you that the doc kind of hung you out to dry. Maybe a different doc? Your numbers don't sound awful they are about what mine run. I just wish so much there was a good answer for you. You don't deserve this! hugs.

kaiya2465 2011-10-17 18:27:12 -0500 Report

I have talked with them too & get the same excuse,"Sorry your not T2" What do they do want to wait till I end up with it. Not smart.

GabbyPA 2011-10-15 08:11:13 -0500 Report

125 is not horrible. What you want to watch is how much it goes up after a meal. If you start at 125 and go up to 150, that is not bad. If it goes up to 200, that can be rough. Our goal is to keep it below 180 after a meal per the ADA. Some doctors prefer you keep it below 140, but that is a big goal that you may have to work into.

annesmith 2011-10-16 23:57:13 -0500 Report

My after meals are 99% of the time between 196 and 600…my 2 hours rarely fall below 200…I was diagnosed type 1 ate age 26 by one internist, then unofficial type 1 again by another internist in 2006…write me back…sincerely, Anne

princessbeiter 2011-10-15 19:22:26 -0500 Report

My doctor told me anything in the 130's after meals is okay. I have noticed that antibiotics wreak havoc on my BG. Since I've been on Cipro, my numbers have been in the 130's when I wake up and the 150's after meals. Normally, I'm about 115 when I wake up and 135 after meals.

kaiya2465 2011-10-15 08:27:30 -0500 Report

Doctor wants me to keep it below 117, that is why I was in such a panic. Othe than this forum I have no real support team. So thank you to you all, & please be patient.

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-10-14 18:01:44 -0500 Report

Pre-diabetes means that your fasting BS #'s were right around 125, whereas, I think they like 90-110. Eating healthy has different definitions for people with diabetes and those without. The main issue I have is watching my carb intake. As a women, I believe that you are allowed 2 carb servings per meal or 30 grams of carbs. Me, I like starting my day with cereal (All Bran, shredded wheat), but I like a bowl of cereal. Sadly, my bowl is 3 times the amount the manufacturer suggests per serving, so it is easy for me to get my daily carb allowance in one setting, not good. Type II means you did not pay attention to your carb intake and your systems are beginning to fail. How fast they fail depends on you (and, in my case, me) Jim

princessbeiter 2011-10-15 19:20:15 -0500 Report

Being a T2 does not necessarily mean that you did anything wrong. Genetics are the reason you have it. You can weigh 10,000 pounds and if you do not have the gene for diabetes, you won't get it. You can eat right and exercise and follow all the guide lines, no smoking, no alcohol, no caffeine, etc., but if you have that gene, you can get diabetes. It's a roll of the dice.

tabby9146 2011-10-19 09:57:52 -0500 Report

so true. I was only 30 lbs overweight, (only in the midsection not overweight anywhere else, skinny arms, legs, etc) and I have it, yet I know many who are much more overweight, and don't have it. I know very few people personally who are overweight and have type2 , I know there are many, I just don't personally know of many in my town, and most that I do know, are much older than me. I try to get the word out on Facebook and as much as I can, that a person can be skinny and have type2.

annesmith 2011-10-17 00:00:16 -0500 Report

This is very very true…every female on one side of my family , except for one, had type 2 diabetes…2 of my uncles on the same side had type 2. On the other side of my family, my father and his mother and myself had severe brittle diabetes…ANNE

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-10-16 06:56:40 -0500 Report

My genes are Wrangler, I never bought diabetic genes.

kaiya2465 2011-10-18 20:22:50 -0500 Report

No help through disability until I am T2. The more I find out in this state the more I hate the medical field.

sheriden 2011-10-14 01:37:58 -0500 Report

Hay join the club we are all here to help you. My doc dose not go for the pre your chances are to great to become diabetic. You do need your A1c number so you know were you are. I would get in touch with a diabetic educator and find out the carb info and diet plan ect so that you can stay healthy. And exercise is a must. Let us know how you are. Blessings to you and yours.

kaiya2465 2011-10-14 06:20:55 -0500 Report

I talked breifly with a diabetic educator, and @ $100 an hr…forget it

sheriden 2011-10-14 19:01:40 -0500 Report

Oh I am sorry In most if not all states and town's they have programs for people who can't aford these and many other servic's ask your family services dept. Here it is like the hospital and state who have the service's for diabetic ED and things like here is wy mental health depression gose with diabetic alot. Please check I know you can find help and with this you realy need it. Blessings and prayers your way.

kaiya2465 2011-10-15 19:28:08 -0500 Report

I understand I need the help with this, that is why I am still asking around. But again living in a backwoods state don't help. For now DC is the only support I have on this matter.

kaiya2465 2011-10-14 19:08:20 -0500 Report

I live in a backwoods state..if my doctor would have told me I was Type II I could get the help, how sad is that (sigh)

sheriden 2011-10-15 18:28:51 -0500 Report

My heart is breaking for you. Still look in to Dept of family services ask for free clinics ect. I would also see about having one check you A1c and have them give you your diag, of type 2. Also sites on internet that have all kinds of helps, And you do need carb info counter ect at least so you can at the least watch and know what you are watching for, Blessings and prayers your way.

kaiya2465 2011-10-15 19:21:27 -0500 Report

I tried the Dept. of family services too. Everywhere I have turned I was told "Sorry, unless your Type1 or 2 we can't help you". It is really getting to me.

sheriden 2011-10-15 19:40:56 -0500 Report

This is crazy somone should know of a free clinic in your airea. Got to a Doc who will give you t-2 so you can get something done. So sad like saying pre cancer go along. Praying still we will get this one. :-))

kaiya2465 2011-10-15 20:02:51 -0500 Report

I talked to my doctor & told him that my insur. won't pay for anything & also confronted him on him telling me to just say I am Type 2. He said he will not tell me I am. I asked him "what am I suppose to do wait til I am full Type 2?" his reply to me was sorry. Again I will shut my mouth.

Heather44118 2011-10-13 20:39:18 -0500 Report

well i was "pre-diabetic" for 15 years except for gestational. My A1C level was high but below "diabetic" standards, I kept it under 6.3. Controlled it with diet and exercise. Now I am diabetic with an A1C of 8 and take metformin. Find out what your A1C level is and you say you eat healthy but what do you eat. Friut, rice… are carbs and can really effect your blood sugars. good luck. oops I read your further answers. 5.7 is considered pre. I think that 6.4 is now considered diabetic. your doctor can recomend a diabetic educator and a nutritionist, then insurance will cover it. they code it as medically necessary. These people will help you learn the good/bad foods of diabeties. It really helps.
walmart has a meter called side kick . it is $20 and has 50 test strips. explain problem to your doctor, many times they have free meters and strips. I know it sucks. I am the only one at home who has an income we are a family of 4. My husband and I are both diabetic. We use 5-6 strips a day. We have no health insurance. I am praying for you good luck.

kaiya2465 2011-10-13 20:48:34 -0500 Report

My insur. won't cover education/nutrition if I am only Pre..IMHO..I think to many people are now Type II so insur. made the rules to say Pre, so that they can cut some of the people out.

princessbeiter 2011-10-15 19:15:17 -0500 Report

Eventually, they'll quit covering diabetic supplies unless you're a T1.

Insurance is a scam. We're all forced to have it, yet most policies, including Medicare/Medicaid, make you jump through so many hoops that you end up dying before they pay for the preventative care!

princessbeiter 2011-10-13 19:10:08 -0500 Report

To answer your concerns on the testing supplies: Ask your doctor to go ahead and diagnose you as a T2 diabetic. If he does that, you can get your testing supplies from your insurance company. You don't have to be on medication to be diabetic, so…

Personally, I think it's stupid the way that insurance companies do things. It's like they'd rather you get sick and need expensive treatments than just provide the cheaper preventative care.

kaiya2465 2011-10-13 19:41:03 -0500 Report

That was my point on trying to figure out who the nut-case was that decided that there now is a "Pre-Diabetes"..I agree it is very idiotic, not all Type II Diabetics need insulin they control it just like I am doing…Just crazy!!!

valentine lady
valentine lady 2011-10-13 18:03:33 -0500 Report

The only thing I can add to what Gabby told you is that Type 2 Diabetes is generally treated much differantly than pre-diabetes. No matter how out of wack your numbers get you have to suffer until your Doctor deems you diabetic. I know I went through it and it is awful. Use Gabby's advice wisely, it's good advice. Valentine Lady

GabbyPA 2011-10-13 09:37:29 -0500 Report

To be honest, there is not really a difference. There is a degree of advancement that is in play. Once your levels show that you exceed a non-diabetic glucose count (over 140 fasting or after a meal) that is diabetes.

Now when they use the term pre-diabetic it is a great place to get serious. This means that your body is not working right, but not so out of wack that you have to start meds. This is a good opportunity for you to use diet and exercise to keep your numbers in control. It is also a time to keep watching and testing to make sure that things are not advancing. Unfortunately, diabetes is a progressive disease but getting control of it early means you have a better chance of less complications down the road.

kaiya2465 2011-10-13 10:12:04 -0500 Report

Hmm, It must be an insurance coverage issue, because I have found that there is no coverage for the term "Pre-Diabetes" That's ridiculous in my opinion…Thank you so much for your input.

kaiya2465 2011-10-13 10:19:53 -0500 Report

I forgot to mention my A1C is 7 and my BG levels range in the 80-90's

Type1Lou 2011-10-13 14:13:58 -0500 Report

If your A1c is 7, that indicates that your "average" BG levels are overall higher than the 80's to 90's you're getting when you test. Your A1c is a measure of your average blood glucose readings over the course of the past 2 to 3 months. (How often and when are you testing and getting the 80-90 which are good/normal readings?) According to the info I'd been given, an A1c of 7 means that you definitely have diabetes and it is not in good control.

tabby9146 2011-10-19 09:53:01 -0500 Report

that is what I started out with 5.7, and my doctor told me I had full blown diabetes. May I ask, what was your highest numbers on your fasting blood glucose tolerance test? My highest number was almost 200 and that right there does indicate diabetes. Most doctors do not go by just the A1C alone. My last A1C was 5.4 after losing all the weight, and exercising more, eating right most of the time. However, I do still have diabetes. I have a feeling my next A1C, which is way overdue, has gone back up. Best of luck to you.

tabby9146 2011-10-20 08:21:50 -0500 Report

no I mean the fasting blood glucose test that determines if one has diabetes or not. I was way over that number that defines diabetes.

kaiya2465 2011-10-20 08:24:51 -0500 Report

Still trying to get that number from the doctor. Will update you when I get it…because all of this has made me more confused.

kaiya2465 2011-10-13 14:18:40 -0500 Report

The doctor wants me to test an hr after getting up in mornings, before I eat. I have to correct myself on the A1c, can't find the paper I will update the right A1c later today..apologies.

jayabee52 2011-10-13 15:30:50 -0500 Report

Howdy Kaiya! WELCOME yo DC.

I suspect that your Dr has you testing only once a day? That is common for new people with diabetes. If so, may I suggest that the MINIMUM number of times per day you ought to be testing is 3 times per day, to know what your body is really doing regarding how your body is metablilzing food and drink.

Of course test first thing after you get up before you eat("fasting"). It would be good to add a test 2 hours after you eat ("post prandial") a meal. You can rotate the meals by the days of the week. For instance, on Monday you test after breakfast, Tuesday, Lunch, Wednesday evening meal and sio forth.

For the 3rd test, it would be good to test just before bedtime, so you know how you did throughout the day. There is more to this subject of testing, but we can cover that later.

Blessings to you and yours.


kaiya2465 2011-10-13 15:35:00 -0500 Report

I actually agree with you on testing 3x daily, but I can't afford the test strips, & insur. only covers enough for once a day testing. I don't have the wording of Type II. Insur. does not cover pre diabetes supplies..(sigh)

jayabee52 2011-10-13 15:54:39 -0500 Report

the insurance are IMHO "penny wise and pound foolish" (to coin a phrase) They don't get it that the better care that you take of yourself early on in your Dx, with Diabetes, the better outcomes for you personally and ultimately less complications down the road, saving them Money!

How are you getting your testing 1 strip per day paid for now? That would be "pre diabetes supplies". Perhaps you could persuade your Dr to go to bat for you with the ins co. Basically saying to them about saving money down the road if you get on top of your condition before you enter full-blown diabetes.

OR you could purchase a inexpensive meter and stips. Walmart sells the Reli-on meters and strips inexpensively.

I suspect that you are now using a big name meter with expensive strips.
By using the meter which uses the inexpensive strips you could save on the cost of testing

Just some suggestions.

kaiya2465 2011-10-13 16:03:59 -0500 Report

I may not remember the IMHO, but I wil try. I bought the Reli-On but the IMHO won't get me the strips for that one. They pd for a Freestyle Lite. I have talked to my doctor & told him I can't afford to try & stay healthy if I can't afford the stuff I need. He knows I don't have family, but stays away from anything having to do with IMHO. Sadly like alot of others I live from paycheck to paycheck.

medic673b 2011-10-13 19:54:04 -0500 Report

try being unemployeed and buy your strips. If you have a job and have diabetes than i woud put buying strips close to the top of the list of what you spend money on

jayabee52 2011-10-13 16:08:46 -0500 Report

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion, not the name of an insurance company.

I know where you're at living from pay check to pay check. I lived like that for a LOT of years, and I am comfortable but still not all that well off.

kaiya2465 2011-10-13 16:12:29 -0500 Report

Oh my heavens, sorry..need to wake up, lol. I am a walking zombie right now, that is another issue all together.

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