Bacon

Satinysunnie
By Satinysunnie Latest Reply 2012-07-02 07:11:22 -0500
Started 2011-05-25 15:33:40 -0500

I was wondering? I heard from some people not to eat bacon if you are a diabetic. Why is this? I eat bacon(not a whole lot), so I was just wondering why some nutrionist say that. Could it be because of the fat content? I don't think it has anything to do with sugar or carbs. So I am a little stumped on that.


77 replies

Copperchef
Copperchef 2011-05-29 17:48:08 -0500 Report

Regular pork bacon is high in fat with little protein. These foods contain nitrates and nitrites, preservatives used in curing meat to counteract the undesirable effects of salt upon color. When exposed to high heat, nitrates and nitrites form nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic (cancer causing). High temperatures used for processing meats like sausage and bacon assist in the formation of nitrosamines.

Canadian bacon is very lean and high in protein. But if you eat bacon, Try baking it in the oven on a sheet pan. This method makes it easier to control your doneness and help avoid overcooking which can overheat the nitrites and nitrates.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-05-29 19:20:17 -0500 Report

What temp to set the oven to bake it without overheating the nitrates/nitrites?

Copperchef
Copperchef 2011-05-29 20:44:30 -0500 Report

Set your oven at 350, bacon takes about 15 minutes or so. I also spray just a little PAM on the sheet pan as a release agent. Once you do it this way, you'll never fry it again.

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2012-07-01 20:45:59 -0500 Report

Other staff where I used to work did this. Made a huge mess in the oven. Grease build up so quickly lucky me had to clean the self cleaning oven several times each week. Was so bad it would set off the fire alarm if I used the self clean feature. Only made that mistake once. No fun evacuating 10 dementia residents at AM.
Maybe if you only make bacon once in awhile it is safe. But the grease build up from cooking 2 packages every other day was horrible.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2011-05-30 09:59:18 -0500 Report

This is so true. I started baking my bacon last year, and it is wonderful that way. Keeps the stove top MUCH cleaner too!

squog master
squog master 2012-07-02 07:11:22 -0500 Report

I watch the food network & the Chew on ABC. They keep saying that it is better to bake the bacon than fry it. I go the pre-cooked bacon route myself since it's just me. And only eat it once a month if that often. Execpt maybe in the Summer when Jersey Tomatoes are in season. Then a BLT maybe once a week.

I cooked a turkey recently for my niece's HS grad party. I figured all the other parties she would be going to would have the same picnic fare. So I made a turkey dinner instead since it was also just our family.

So I indulged & had a turkey club sandwich w/bacon. When I do this I also use the thin sliced bread.

Gabby
GabbyPA 2011-06-03 09:15:05 -0500 Report

Mmmm BLT's. You know if you do them as a lettuce wrap you can have an almost carb free snack. Just a little mayo, tomato and bacon wrapped up in some bib lettuce or Romain...oh so good.

Trudie Ann
Trudie Ann 2011-05-28 16:10:15 -0500 Report

If you have a problem with your diet when you eat bacon you can always try turkey bacon. If you still have a problem you might try the veggen alternatives. They sell it in the frozen section in most grocers. I don't have a problem with bacon, but I still get turkey bacon some times. I like the taste of it. Bacon does have a high fat content of course. So if you are on a strict diet try some of the suggestions I made. I think the sugar content is according to how the bacon was cured. Check the nutrition label to see how much sugar or fat it has. I hope this helps some.

Jes P
Jes P 2011-05-27 12:43:43 -0500 Report

I have all ways be told by old timers that any pork would raise your blood sugar. I don't remember why they said it would. I know that when I first started taking insulin in the 80's it was madefrom pig's insulin, some how. The doctor I had at the time told me not to eat pork or be very limited with it. Because it would effect the insulin i was taking. Making it not as strong or ineffective. I don't take that kind any more, but still don't eat a lot of it. I do notice when I do eat it my sugar gos up more. I don't know if it effects all insulins that way. I guess I will ask next time I'm at the doctors.

Bunny Cakes
Bunny Cakes 2011-05-27 13:39:00 -0500 Report

Since pork is all protein I imagine it's how you are cooking it that makes your blood sugar rise or what you are eating with it. Or even how close to eating you are taking you blood sugar, everyone is likely to be high an hour after eating but two hours later will show you a better picture of how you metabolise the food.

I eat plenty of pork, it does not raise my blood sugar unless I use a rub that is high in sugar or otherwise high in carbs like shake-n-bake.

However, every food affects each person differently. Some of us can eat things and stay in normal ranges and some of us spike with those same foods. For instance I can't eat oats or white bread or white rice without going up in the late 200's. But I can eat brown rice and whole grain rice in the same serving size and only see a 1 to 3 point rise in my blood sugar. But I know people who eat oats all the time and see no spike.

But even though I can eat those things I have to eat them in the right combination. I can't eat two slices of bread, mashed potatoes and rice with my pork. I have to choose just one and have some veggies if it's just a regular seasoned pork chop. If I've used shake-n-bake I normally won't eat any bread or mashed potatoes or rice because I find it easier on my system to have only one high carb item in a single meal.

MoeGig
MoeGig 2011-05-26 21:54:33 -0500 Report

The dirty little secret about high cholesterol is that it's carbs that cause the high numbers…not bacon, sausage, or any other protein. I can see the tomatoes being heaved in my direction, but after 46 years of Type 1, a low carb diet will lower your cholesterol.;;Dr Atkins proved it in many cases, and I proved it to myself…152 last check with an A1c of 6.7…plus you're losing weight (fat) in the process. Bacon, marbled steaks, as well as fish, chicken, and 90% of the veggies out there are relatively low in carbs…add a martini or a couple glasses of red wine…what's not to like??? Now, if your kidneys are marginal, that's a different story; but get on this diet before they do go bad!

northerngal
northerngal 2011-05-28 10:35:09 -0500 Report

The carbs cannot cause high cholesterol, its the type of carbs that do and a high fat diet may drop the numbers temporarily, but eventually they'll spike back up and start clogging arteries and blood vessels. The Atkins "proof" was testimonials, NOT scientific proof. Some people can do well with it, but for limited time periods. It forces the body to burn a different fuel for energy, but months of it will leave only fats which will clog the arteries, especially for diabetics who are already more susceptible to that. Add a lack of physical activity and its a heart attack or stroke waiting to happen.

milesrf
milesrf 2011-06-01 11:55:31 -0500 Report

I've seen several articles saying that EXCESS carbs can INDIRECTLY cause high cholesterol. If your liver detects excess carbs (glucose or fructose), it starts converting them into saturated fats and cholesterol. That's about all your body can do with fructose. Your liiver also starts converting proteins into glucose if your blood glucose gets too low, mainly to supply those portions of your brain that cannot switch to using ketones for energy instead. MOST, but not all, of your body can switch to using the ketones your liver generates from fats as its source of energy instead of glucose. However, an excess level of ketones indicates a problem with this process. Actually switching to using ketones as your main source of energy tends to be uncomfortable for about three days, but switching in the other direction goes much faster.

northerngal
northerngal 2011-06-02 10:17:39 -0500 Report

It still boils down to the type of carbs you are eating. Your body is programmed to transform everything you eat into useable form…glucose. Your system cannot choose which type of energy, it takes whats available. Ketones CANNOT provide energy for your body because that is a waste product caused by too much glucose. A diabetic cannot use the excess and it tries to rid the system by flushing ketones into the blood stream and urine. When your system shows ketones, your bs is way too high and your system cannot use the glucose that is available…thats why you feel so crappy with high bs. Some people are more susceptible to high cholesterol because of genetics, something that can't be changed. Others believe that our high fat, meat laden diets are to blame. No one really knows because the human body is not a machine. What works for one, won't necessarily work for someone else. You just have to figure it out for yourself (with some help from people who know what they're doing).

milesrf
MoeGig
MoeGig 2011-05-29 16:17:16 -0500 Report

With all due respect, we',ll have to agree to disagree. The different fuel it forces you to burn is fat; the byproduct of which are ketones. This is why you need to drink a lot of water, and further make sure your BG does get real high. I've been eating bacon and other protein a long time and my last cholesterol was 156 and it has been low like that since I've been on this low carb diet. The Atkins diet is also miss-named. If you follow it, you are eating a lot of vegetables…90% of veggies are relatively low carbs except corn and potatoes, of course. Relative to fruit, I say eat the fruit, but don't drink the juice…oranges, apples, bananas, whatever. I've tried everything over the last 46 years as a Type 1 diabetic, this is the only diet that works for me; and, I think, the only one that has a chance of working for most overweight diabetics. Simply reducing your caloric intake may work for a while, but everyone eventually runs out of will power. The low carb diet for me doesn't require will-power, because I'm not hungry. Carbs make you more hungry, so you eat more (binge), you don't lose weight, and your cholesterol goes up. Vicious cycle. Been there, done that, got the T Shirt, as they say. That's why I say carbs cause high cholesterol…:>)

melaniebecerra
melaniebecerra 2011-05-26 15:06:09 -0500 Report

why cant you eat bacon with kidney issues? is is the sodium? and what kinda meat is best for someone with issues like that?

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-05-26 20:46:37 -0500 Report

Actually as a kidney patient you need to avoid high consumption of protein in general.. You do need some protein, but it needs to be limited. Here's a couple of general references on diabetes, Kidney disease and diet: http://www.aakp.org/newsletters/kb-the-magazi... and http://www.kidney.org/atoz/pdf/diabetes.pdf

Nyxks
Nyxks 2011-05-26 12:32:04 -0500 Report

I love to eat my bacon, have even managed to find a lower sodium pork based one on the market - it makes a great treat from time to time, but I still watch it in general because of the nitrates (not that I need to watch that stuff, its just second nature do to family history).

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-05-26 10:50:58 -0500 Report

The only reason one might avoid bacon is because of the sodium content, and the nitrites issue. I can't eat it because of my kidney problems for that reason. But for a person with diabetes ("PWD") who has no other problems there shouldn't be a prohibition if it is eaten in moderation

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-26 09:43:39 -0500 Report

Why shouldn't you eat bacon if you are diabetic? I can't believe you asked that! You shouldn't eat bacon because IT TASTES SO GOOD! LOL

granniesophie
granniesophie 2011-05-26 09:53:26 -0500 Report

And we all know that if it tastes good, it is definatley taboo!! Shall we all eat rocks? And what is the carb count of your average boulder?? :)

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-26 10:06:20 -0500 Report

No carbs in rock. Relatively inexpensive (except for the dental bills), lots of variety, loaded with minerals and they have not (yet) been genetically altered!

Pynetree
Pynetree 2011-05-28 10:35:34 -0500 Report

I can share my recipe for Stone Soup…Got it from a wonderful children's book "Stone Soup" (~ ~)

Jim Edwards you make me smile when I read your comments!

MrsCDogg
MrsCDogg 2011-05-26 07:52:15 -0500 Report

I still eat bacon. Sometimes I buy turkey bacon. Like a lot of other folks have said, moderation is the key. There is nothing like a good bacon and tomato sandwich when the tomato is nice and ripe! I say go ahead and have some bacon from time to time.

Leslie1963
Leslie1963 2011-05-26 00:51:58 -0500 Report

I'm not eating bacon anymore because I'm on the Mediterranean diet to lower my bad cholesterol. I've tried the turkey bacon, and it's working for me! And believe me I was skeptical! I fry it up in a little olive oil, since I'm having to get more of that kind of "fat" in me to raise my good cholesterol. And it's pretty good! I'm a little sad though…having been just diagnosed with type 2, means that the awesome recipe of REAL bacon covered in brown sugar and baked that I was saving for the holidays is now off the menu. Darn, darn, darn!!

Tigereyze209
Tigereyze209 2011-05-25 23:48:59 -0500 Report

The rule of thumb I try to follow is, everything in moderation. I can't see the harm in eating some bacon, as long as you eat it with a balanced mean, and you don't try to eat an outrageous amount at one time. Salt content, in general, and sodium in particular, can be a problem, if you eat a lot of salty foods as part of a steady diet, and of course, we always need to watch our fat contents, but I've been eating a good bacon and lettuce on toast (sorry, allergic to tomatoes) at least once a week for ages, and my blood work numbers have been pretty good and consistent.
My gal bladder had to come out about a month ago, and I was warned I'd have to go extra lean, but so far, I have had no noticeable reactions to what I eat, and my numbers are still showing up good.
Granted, every ones body is different and unique so what I can stand someone else can't, and vice versa, but it never hurts to ask, and it is always fun seeing what others input and experiences are.
Sounds like you are already practicing moderation, so your instincts are good. Keep it up, watch your numbers, and you should be just fine.

dietcherry
dietcherry 2011-05-25 22:36:17 -0500 Report

Healthy or not, I will have my bacon,too. I walk the line enough-bacon is my reward.

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-26 09:44:51 -0500 Report

Wait a minute DC! I thought you didn't eat meat. I may have to dig through some of your old posts, but I thought… :)

dietcherry
dietcherry 2011-05-26 10:03:49 -0500 Report

Nope I eat meat. Youre thinking of someone else Hon. What I said was I have a problem with blood and bones so I dont eat a LOT of meat and therefore I supplement with protein powder.

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-26 10:11:16 -0500 Report

You are correct. Hey I remembered that you had some issue with blood & bones!
Up North here, blood & bones usually is associated with meat! Lol. By the way, your protein powder suggestion has worked great for me. thanks. Jim

dietcherry
dietcherry 2011-05-27 00:00:19 -0500 Report

Yep I rarely eat anything still bleeding or still attached to a bone; my meat has to be so overly processed to the point where it is no longer possible to determine that it was ever flesh! And this where the protein powder comes in…Glad it is working for you!

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2011-05-25 22:41:22 -0500 Report

Me too. They let me have bacon while I was in the hospital. I will continue to have it. Some of my other favorites are taboo.

northerngal
northerngal 2011-05-28 10:41:08 -0500 Report

I can't believe a hospital served bacon. Usually its unidentifiable, tastless crap you'd never serve to your worst enemy. (And NEVER admit to having made) Maybe they are finally getting wise to the fact that people don't eat what doesn't taste good.

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2011-05-28 14:50:34 -0500 Report

Both the hospitals I was in last year had good food. Had the pleasure of utilizing their culinary skills for about two months. They even made their liquid diet paatible for the most part.

northerngal
northerngal 2011-05-30 09:52:57 -0500 Report

You are very fortunate. I've NEVER eaten a bite at a hospital that I thought tasted good. Their "diabetic" fare is crap. (thats as kindly as I can put it) They are finally realizing that "diabetic" doesn't mean just eliminate the sugar. But taste has yet to be found. Very bland, meat is always turkey based, and no spices to avoid reactions or sensitivity. I have no sensitivities to any food and NO allergies. A few are actually beginning to count carbs. I used to get a dumb, blank stare when I told them that I wasn't on a "diet", that I counted carbs. They'd just keep asking "but what kind of diet are you on?" Thats the "get out before you get slapped" stage.

Harlen
Harlen 2011-05-25 20:20:41 -0500 Report

Got to have my Bacon , Havent had any prob with it mmmmmmmmlove it
Best wishes
Harlen

Somoca
Somoca 2011-05-25 22:27:14 -0500 Report

u r a mess Harlen lol

Harlen
Harlen 2011-05-26 06:42:50 -0500 Report

I am just me
Life is what you make of it.
Your going to die of something so live I will cut the carbs keep my blood sugars to the good but I will never give up my bacon or ham!!!!! LoL
Best wishes all
Harlen

northerngal
northerngal 2011-05-30 09:55:03 -0500 Report

As long as you keep a majority of your diet healthy, bacon once in a while isn't going to hurt anything. Go for it. And I agree, turkey bacon just isn't the same.

Somoca
Somoca 2011-05-25 17:17:02 -0500 Report

I love bacon, maple, smoked, hickory smoked, brown sugar…awwwww I could go on and on but I am on the wagon now. I eat turkey bacon and no it isn't as good as good ol ham but its better than nothing. i sure do miss bacon.

RAYT721
RAYT721 2011-05-25 16:34:21 -0500 Report

Found online:

Women who consumed five or more servings of processed meat like hot dogs, bacon, and deli-style meats suffered a 43% increase in their risk of getting diabetes compared with women eating less than one serving of processed meats weekly.

“This study shows that regular ‘natural’ meat is problematic, but processed meats are even worse,” notes Dr. James Kenney, Nutrition Research Specialist at the Pritikin Longevity Center® & Spa.

“The fact is, virtually any kind of heavily processed food – from hot dogs to potato chips – leads to trouble. The more you concentrate calories, add salt, fat, and other harmful things like nitrates, and remove nutrients like potassium, magnesium, calcium, and vitamins, the greater your chances of falling victim to a multitude of ills.”

“It’s no real surprise,” sums up Dr. Kenney, “that the most unnatural parts of the human diet – processed meats, refined grains, sugars, and hydrogenated fats – consistently show up in research as the worst offenders in promoting cancer, heart disease, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, osteoporosis, obesity, and many other diseases.”

jenugen
jenugen 2011-05-25 22:00:36 -0500 Report

Just like everything in life the important thing is moderation. Too much of anything is bad for you. I haven't had any trouble with it but I use regular bacon, not the maple cured.

Satinysunnie
Satinysunnie 2011-05-25 22:18:59 -0500 Report

Yes, I have the peppered bacon sometimes. I don't eat it very often, for BLTs', i don't eat heavy breakfasts and sometimes i don't eat breakfast. Just whole grain cereal, coffee. If i have eggs and bacon it is usually for lunch or dinner. I am not a morning person. But i still like to have my bacon when I want it. thank you for your reply. every bit helps. since I really don't have much to go on.

Type1Lou
Type1Lou 2011-05-26 15:09:05 -0500 Report

I would think that the cereal (much higher carb value) would have a worse effect on your blood sugar than the bacon (virtually no carb, particularly if you avoid the maple and brown sugar stuff). The processing of the bacon with all the additives could be a problem though. My mouth is watering just imagining the smell of crisp, golden brown rahers of bacon…YUMMMM! Enjoy!

Satinysunnie
Satinysunnie 2011-05-26 18:10:22 -0500 Report

Yes the cereal is high carbs, but i eat the whole grain or multi grain. Also I don't eat much of that either, since I don't eat breakfest much. I do eat it though and I do watch my self on that. I haven't had any issues with it yet. My sugar does go up but comes back down in an hour our so. I just can't deprive myself of everything. I feel diabetic can eat much of anything. Even fruit. I love grapes and I was told diabetic shouldn't eat them. to high in sugar. what is a person to do.

Type1Lou
Type1Lou 2011-05-27 10:40:05 -0500 Report

There are fruits I avoid…like pineapple and oranges and grapes. I find that I can eat most berries without much problem and I do love blueberries, strawberries and raspberries. A bit of canteloupe and watermelon too is OK for me. We all have to find out what works for us, individually. I do find that the more carbs I eliminate, the better the control I have…but I do miss the bread and cookies and cakes and pastries and candies…bring on the bacon!

Satinysunnie
Satinysunnie 2011-05-27 11:34:50 -0500 Report

Thank you for your info. Much appreciated. Since I have so much to learn yet. I do test certain foods. And have found out with some of the foods i love to eat are not good for me. Like most of the people here are saying eat in moderation. but then some foods you can't even do that , you have to leave it alone completely. I am doing good considering just a beginner in the era of life that I now need to watch out for. Again thanks.

RAYT721
RAYT721 2011-05-25 16:31:56 -0500 Report

I would assume the sodium / nitrates would one of the reasons why diabetics would be encouraged not to eat bacon, lunchmeats, ribs, etc. And of course there's the fat… and the calories… and the flavorings/chemicals. Bacon is not the most heart-healthy meat out there.

Satinysunnie
Satinysunnie 2011-05-25 17:03:37 -0500 Report

Thank you for your reply. Yes bacon is not a healthy meat to eat. I do eat it, but very rarely. It sounds like diabetics shouldn't eat period. Sounds like all food is bad for you. This day in age is all man made and not good for you. Everything is made up of carbs and sugar. We need to go back to the biblical days when you ate only for that day (all natural). That way we wouldn't consume so much unhealthy food with all these perservative and hormones and pesticides in the food and as a whole is ruining us. Our bodies don't know how to react to a lot of what we eat these days. No matter if you are a diabetic or not, other issues come into play as well.
Again thank you. Very informative.

Tigereyze209
Tigereyze209 2011-05-25 23:53:31 -0500 Report

I have heard of some who swear by turkey bacon, mostly due to an aversion to eating pork. I have tried it, and I personally don't care for the taste, but it is reputed to be much leaner then regular pork bacon.
My two cents worth, keep the change.

Satinysunnie
Satinysunnie 2011-05-25 16:06:29 -0500 Report

Thanks so much for the replies. I don't know if I can handle soy bacon. I have never heard of it. Do you buy in at a health food store? But I am willing to try it once. :)

I don't eat much bacon, but when i do it's just peppered bacon. I never thought sugar would be in bacon, but you are right when it comes to the flavored bacon. maple is a sweetner for bacon.

pattroyka58
pattroyka58 2011-05-26 12:10:07 -0500 Report

I have tried three different brands of meatless bacon…YUCK!! I am an "almost" vegetarian - I eat meat occasionally, I have a tendency toward gout since I was on the Atkins diet, and I've read and been told by doctors that the less meat a PWD eats, the less heart, kidney, eye, etc.problems they have. Processed meats have a tendency to raise (by a lot) triglycerides, and PWD usually have a problem with high trig. I eat bacon once in a while and I eat the real stuff. I don't know about you but I CANNOT live my whole gustatory life denying myself. I do what I can, when I can. When I can't, I use moderation and a determination to get back to "healthy" when I can.

PBARBIERI
PBARBIERI 2011-05-25 15:57:50 -0500 Report

I DO EAT BACON BUT NOT ALOT CAUSE IT CAUSES MY GOUT TO FLAIR UP. I HAVE SWITCHED TO A SOY BACON BY MORNING STAR. IT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE TO GET USED TO THE TASTE, BUT IT IS REALLY GREAT. JUST DON'T OVER COOK IT. IF YOU FRY IT YOU HAVE TO JUST BROWN IT VERY LIGHTLY. I COOK IT IN THE MICROWAVE FOR ABOUT 30-40 SECONDS AND IT IS GREAT. MY HUSBAND DON'T LIKE IT, BUT IT IS HEALTHIER FOR US.

The Diabetic Skillet
The Diabetic Skillet 2011-05-27 12:09:38 -0500 Report

My husband used to have gout flare ups all the time, turned out that BEER was his biggest problem! We had no idea that BEER was the problem. Everyone always told us it was from too much red wine and red meat (ha ha)

PBARBIERI
PBARBIERI 2011-05-27 14:40:13 -0500 Report

YEAH, RED MEAT, SEAFOOD, ORGAN MEATS LIKE LIVER AND SUCH ARE BIG NO-NO'S FOR PEOPLE THAT SUFFER FROM GOUT. SOMETIMES TURKEY WILL CAUSE A FLARE UP TOO. I DON'T GET IT IN MY BIG TOES, I GET IT ALONG THE TOP OF MY FOOT AND KNEES. BUT THAN I HAVE ALWAYS HAD TO BE DIFFERENT…

The Diabetic Skillet
The Diabetic Skillet 2011-05-27 14:44:12 -0500 Report

Ha Ha …he sometimes use to get it in his knee. But mostly the big toe. It was so painful for him …beer was what triggered it for him. He used to go on business trips to Germany, drink those steins of beer, then the flight home and the pressure…really did a number on his gout!

nanaellen
nanaellen 2011-05-25 15:48:11 -0500 Report

I'm NOT positive but I think a lot of the flavored bacon like maple and such have added sugar in them but I think in moderation it should be o.k. I'll have to check some more on this! Ellen :)

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