Sugar & Carbs

Jim Edwards
By Jim Edwards Latest Reply 2011-05-26 12:10:45 -0500
Started 2011-05-20 14:38:31 -0500

I guess I will never grasp this. Do sugars always contain carbs and do carbs always contain sugars? Where else do high sugars readings come from? Example: Last night for supper I had a 1 carb meal. My BG before eating was 119. So the 1 carb will raise my BG reading. 2 hours after eating my BG was 256!
what causes such a drastic increase?

33 replies

Tigereyze209 2011-05-26 12:10:45 -0500 Report

When we talk about carbs, we usually mean sugars, but it also includes starches and certain kinds of fats oils, etc. Rather that getting all hung up on chemistry 101, best is to read the labels on what we eat, and try to keep it to no more than say 40 carbs per meal, 15 carbs for snacks, and under 250 or so as a total for a whole day. There are charts available for foods and snacks to use as a guideline for foods (like fresh fruit and veggies) that do not come with labels so you can keep track.
And, one also has to pay attention to serving sizes as sometimes, company's will put stuff in packages with more than one serving, and you can get fooled into thinking that eating the whole pack counts as only one serving based on their printed numbers. It is not intentionally deceptive on their part, just easy to overlook.
My two cents worth, keep the change.

PetiePal 2011-05-25 08:50:59 -0500 Report

Carbs basically = sugars. There are two types though, complex and simple. Complex take longer to break down and usually have things like fiber or other solubles in them that take longer to digest, hence entering the blood stream much more gradually instead of spiking it fast. (like white bread etc).

Hops 2011-05-25 05:47:42 -0500 Report

Some carbs kick several hours after you eat them. Eggs, milk, and cottage cheese will all raise your BG long after eaten. 256 is not horrendous. remember each test is only one moment in time. Tat is why more emphasis is on the 90 day A1C than on blod glucose tests individually. Since it was night time it was likely that your basal insulin was losing strength. I know my pre bed time sugars are much healthier when having dinner before 6 p.m. than after that time.

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-25 07:53:05 -0500 Report

In some "experiments" I have found that what you say is true. A strange thing is that I need a new prick pen as I think the spring is going, so often I will activate it 3 times for 1 spot of blood. I use my arm, below my elbow. Now these spots are within 2" of each other. I tested one and it was 158. Curious, I tested another and it was 205! So, the A1C is the only reliable method, but what we do in the field does give us an idea of where it is.

2011-05-20 22:01:58 -0500 Report

Hey Jim~~ It also depends on the carbs one has taken. I know that if I consume (say 1/2 cup) of brown rice, my bs reading will jump from 50-200 points. White pasta will always be double that. (100-400) It's the starch that is in the foods. But yes Jim, sorry to say, sugar has carbs, & carbs has sugar.

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-23 09:17:30 -0500 Report

Good to hear I am not the only one. I like white rice better than brown, but I can walk away from either. What blows my mind is that my BG can be say 140 and I eat ????? and it goes up to 250. The next time my BG is around 140 I can eat the same ???? and it goes to 375. I can see it varying from person to person but in the same person, it drives me nuts! A short drive…

jayabee52 2011-05-23 09:31:21 -0500 Report

I don't have to drive, Jim. For me it's a short walk! I save gas!

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-23 11:13:05 -0500 Report

I hear loud and clear! We open for kids camp in less than a month. In march the district made us terminate all part-time help. That leaves 3 of us to get everything ready. Believe in miracles? I sure hope so! And that is just at work. At home there was an HOA meeting for our sub-division. I was unable to attend and I was elected president. Last time I miss a meeting! It is a headache job, with the only responsibility being the roads. No one wants to volunteer, no one wants to have the dues raised, no one wants to lose 2' of land by about 150' (width of most lots) to widen the roads or to provide pull-offs for 2 cars to pass. May the Lord above forbid that we remove dead or dying trees, even though we have offered to plant replacement trees.
So here comes the other side of Jim. Get a crew of 5, volunteer or paid and start about 10 in the morning, cut the unwanted trees and pull them off the road. The HOA has a 25' right-a way from the center on both sides. If you don't hear from me again, you know someone evoked the WV law, "If you don't agrre, shoot 'em" Maybe, LOL????

jayabee52 2011-05-25 05:36:24 -0500 Report

My sympathies and my prayers for you Jim.

When my ex & I bought a house in Las Vegas, we made sure there was no HOA for that subdivision. Too many hassles!

Cookie Roma
Cookie Roma 2011-05-20 16:28:27 -0500 Report

Jim you might take a look at.
You can input any food and it will give youth nutritional value. You get calories, fat, carbs, sugar,etc. I've found it very useful.

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-20 16:38:06 -0500 Report

Thanks. I laugh at the typo, "it will give youth nutritional value" I could use some youth! ;) Thanks for the info. I suspect I will be visiting it often. I have some pocket guides that cover most foods, but definitely not all. I am sure Gabby will be shocked when I plug in the components of my rock diet to see how good it is for you!
As I re-read it, I am not sure that I want the calories, fat, carbs & sugars. That is what I am trying to avoid! LOL. thanks again
Just took a quick visit. It is easy to use and is packed with info!

Cookie Roma
Cookie Roma 2011-05-20 16:48:32 -0500 Report

Ooops. Ya know I love my iPhone but it would appear that I will never get used to typing in it!

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-23 09:19:37 -0500 Report

I won't even try it. I have a hard enough time with the keyboard! On my emails I have started to type, in small print, of course, "this email has been sent via my Dell desktop computer"

GabbyPA 2011-05-20 15:58:51 -0500 Report

When you say 1 carb what exactly are you meaning? One exchange or one gram of carbohydrate? One exchange is equal to about 15grams of carbohydrate. If you eat one exchange of a simple sugar such as fruit, starchy foods such as rice or corn, it can go up quite high. If you eat one exchange of something more complex like a fiber filled slice of bread or peanutbutter, it will be slower and tend to be lower. (but we are all different so there could be other things involved)

And yes, simple sugars are fast acting carbs and complex food are slower, but they still will convert to glucose in your blood stream.

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-20 16:08:06 -0500 Report

I should say ONE CARB serving or 15grams(WHOOPS! SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS!)

GabbyPA 2011-05-20 16:19:07 -0500 Report

Ok, when you find something with one gram of carb in it...I want to know! That's what I thought...just was not sure.

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-20 16:25:57 -0500 Report

My rock diet has less than 1 gram! Actually, so do most cheese and meat, I believe. It is a real challenge and somewhat fun to track the carbs. Last night with our meal my wife had out the 12 grain bread with what I think it was called a butter blend. 1 Tablespoon of that stuff was 1 carb serving! Not on my bread!

MrsCDogg 2011-05-20 16:35:35 -0500 Report

Butter blend = not real butter! Can't blame you for not eating that. I heard someone call stuff like that a Frankenfood!

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-20 16:40:01 -0500 Report

We usually have the butter out, as she was a farm girl, but we both got home late and it was too cold to spread. She knows her sin is forgiven! :)

edvel54 2011-05-20 14:58:00 -0500 Report

All carbohydrates are made up of units of sugar . Carbohydrates containing only one unit of sugar or two sugar units of sugar are known as "simple sugars" or "simple carbohydrates.
Simple carbs are sugars
Simple carbs are basically sugars (glucose) so they are immediately absorbed into the bloodstream, causing a rise in blood-sugar levela
Complex carbs are either starches, or indigestible dietary fiber.
complex carbs need more time to be broken down into glucose. So they don't raise blood sugar levels as fast as simple carbs.

I found this website it is all about carbs you might find it interesting

should work now

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-20 15:09:01 -0500 Report

Thanks! So if my 1 carb supper was a simple carb, then it can shoot my sugar level up high and hold it there longer than if it were a complex carb?
The question that follows that is: In the morning I eat 2 servings of All Bran. I know the fiber count is 20 and I suspect the carb count might be 45 grams per serving, plus the milk for a total of 7 carb servings. Because, I suspect these would be complex carbs, do they raise the sugar level slower, but still hold it high longer? Don't know if that is the right phrasing for the question, but it will have to do for now! Thanks for the link. I will take a visit.

GabbyPA 2011-05-20 16:11:54 -0500 Report

Fiber is complex, the milk is simple. Specially if it is low fat milk. Usually a simple carb shoots up early and higher but will come down fairly fast. A complex carb will shoot up slower and usually be lower and last longer.
Try these out:

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-20 16:41:49 -0500 Report

Thanks. Okay, lets call for new labeling. Now they have to label how many simple carbs and how many complex carbs are in each item!

GabbyPA 2011-05-21 08:57:58 -0500 Report

There you go! It is nutty enough. I try to eat more foods without labels. That way I don't have to guess so much.

Jim Edwards
Jim Edwards 2011-05-20 16:28:30 -0500 Report

The whole thing is complex! We do use 2%, I am not ready to go to 1%, and skim might as well be water. Thanks for the input.

Gabe A.
Gabe A. 2011-05-20 17:59:17 -0500 Report

There are milks out there that taste just as good as whole milk with less sugar… If you live in Texas look at your local HEB for Mootopia milk. It has almost half the sugar as regular milk and to be honest it tastes better. If you are not from Texas spend sometime looking at your local grocery store I am sure they have something similar. To be honest good old fashioned egg whites and turkey bacon is a far better breakfast. Have it with a slice of toast. I personally would not eat milk and cereal ever.

2011-05-22 23:28:37 -0500 Report

Thank you Gabe. It just dawned on me, why when I used to eat cold cereal my bs always shot up. (Talk about being slow.) Now I'm completely carb free, fruit free, & sugar free. &) Being a vegan sure helps. Thanks again, Gabe.