Inquiring mind wanted to know: Milk

dietcherry
By dietcherry Latest Reply 2011-04-15 18:07:06 -0500
Started 2011-04-05 09:55:01 -0500

I recently switched to soy millk because I thought I may be developing lactose-intolerance. I was wrong and that got me curious about milk in general. I was shocked by these findings:

whole milk 11.4 grams of carbs
2% milk 11.7
1% 11.6
fat-free (skim) milk 11.9
buttermilk 11.7
goats milk 10.9
half & half 10.4
light cream 7.1
heavy cream 6.6
evaporated milk (canned) 25.3
non-fat evaporated milk 29.0
sweetened condensed milk 166.0 (!)

unsweetened soy milk 2.0-5.0
unsweetened almond milk 2.0-3.0

I never really thought about milk, prefering just to drink it. Was I the only one in the dark?


98 replies

Anonymous
Anonymous 2011-04-08 01:22:03 -0500 Report

Re: milk. Not Re: carbs.
I love milk, but it never loved me…my intestines reacted and I had mucus buildup in my lungs(?) UNTIL I drank certified organic real (raw) milk. I had NO problems after that; I actually felt much better…it seems to clear up my "brain fog". I really think the homogenization and/or pasteurization changes a lot more than we know. I do know that the homogenization of processed milk, not real/clean raw milk, has been blamed for heart/artery problems.

For those who use soy anything, please read about the damage soy is doing to many people (thyroid, breast cancer, neurotoxins, endocrine disrupter, etc.) It is used (unnecessarily) in a huge number of processed foods). Good info at:
http://westonaprice.org/soy-alert

Soy has traditionally been consumed fermented (naturally pickled) and in small quantities.

This doesn't apply to nut milks.

crunchhourly
crunchhourly 2011-04-07 12:07:32 -0500 Report

I seem to be lactose-intolerant, but I can drink evaporated miilk—I prefer Carnation and use about 1/2C./day in my decaf coffee and on oatmeal—I think I need the calcium, but regret it didn't score well on your carb list. Has anyone else who is lactose-intolerant been OK with evaporated milk?

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-04-07 23:25:08 -0500 Report

That's interesting! Have never heard something like that before. Might it have something to do with the extra sugar?

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2011-04-07 23:40:07 -0500 Report

My guess would be that in the heating to reduce the milk the lactose is affected. My hubby used to haul a lot of evaporated milk and sweetened condensed milk out of Modesto, CA to all points East.

northerngal
northerngal 2011-04-06 14:46:05 -0500 Report

I think the lactose intolerance is more likely "chemical intolerance". I can drink milk straight from the farm with NO problems, and low fat, 2%, 1% I can't. I think i'm sensitive to all the chemicals used to remove the fat, etc. I've tried the flavored soy milk and it caused no problems. Its simply too expensive.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-04-07 00:12:17 -0500 Report

Howdy Jeanne

I grew up on a dairy and drank whole milk up until age 20 or so, and I think you might want to guess again. Fat rises to the top of milk and can be poured or skimmed off the top, but the dairies who take the milk from the farms deal with such large amounts of milk that that's not practical. They use a machine called a centrafugal cream separator.

When I googled ""how to remove cream from cows milk" I got this among the hits: http://answers.gardenandhearth.com/Food_and_C...

Here is a wikipedia article which tells all about milk, part of the article tells of the process it goes through from farmer to the consumer's table. There is no mention of adding chemicals to milk.

Perhaps you might be thinking about Bovine Growth Hormone which some dairy farms inject into their cows to increase their milk production. That is a concern for some folks to be sure. But the concern is due to a (as yet unproven) worry about causing an increase of breast cancer in humans, not about causing lactose intolerance.

Blessings!

James

dietcherry
dietcherry 2011-04-06 20:01:29 -0500 Report

It is expensive; I find myself drinking less milk because of the price, although I like the taste of the soy better than cows milk. Since I do not have an allergy to cows milk, I plan on using both in the future.

Weneug
Weneug 2011-04-06 14:40:14 -0500 Report

Thank you for all the info. I never really thought about the carbs in milk. This has been enlightening to me. As a newly diagnosed hypoglycemic, I guess I have a lot to learn about carbohydrates.

Dixiemom
Dixiemom 2011-04-06 14:37:02 -0500 Report

I have been drinking milk most of my life. 2 years ago I started with holistic and a alternative medicine clinic. They did not recommend soy milk because it can ferme nt in the body. Rice, almond and hemp milk were recommended. I drank almond milk the past 2 years and went back to 1%. After reading the comments I just might start making my own almond milk.

dietcherry
dietcherry 2011-04-06 20:04:01 -0500 Report

Would this be the same as any food product that has been fermented? Or is it only a concern if the fermentation process doesnt start until after ingestion? I have heard not to eat fermented foods but, there again, there is much debate regarding that.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-04-07 12:02:45 -0500 Report

Is that fermented foods pohibition for everybody, or just for PWDs or even for t1s?

I could see the problem if the substance ferments after consuming it! Gas, Bloating! Which would be very uncomfortable.

Dixiemom
Dixiemom 2011-04-07 11:18:48 -0500 Report

I'm not too sure i but I would think after inestion. I liuke to keep both almond and cows milk on hand but my husband saays we don't need both. Hew doesn't mind the almond milk and it majes an awesome peach cobbler. Guess I'll have to redo my recipe now that I've been diagnosed.

Guardianstone
Guardianstone 2011-04-06 03:59:54 -0500 Report

I love milk, but it doesn't love me. Been on 2% since hubbies heart attack. Can't drink the fake stuff, makes me violently sick. Had some coconut milk, but too much sugar. Guess the cows still have a job from my house.
Gotta keep them cows busy somehow.
Guardian stone

tabby9146
tabby9146 2011-04-05 17:51:42 -0500 Report

Interesting. I have been drinking skim milk since before I was diagosed, and I don't drink too much but we women really need that calcium and vit D. I like some of the soy milk, but I don't drink much of it. I've tried the chocolate, vanilla and regular.

Kirla
Kirla 2011-04-05 17:38:49 -0500 Report

I used to drink skim milk. After being diagnosed I realized that milk is a high carb food. At least for me it is. I found the 8th Continent brand of soy milk at Wal-Mart. They make 3 different kinds. One has only 2 net carbs per 8 oz glass. I used it for a while.

Then I started to make my own. It’s a lot cheaper to make than to buy. I figure it cost about 9 cents a glass. Only thing is homemade soymilk has a beanie flavor to it. I then run across a website where the lady said to blanch the beans twice before grinding them in a blender with boiling water. Well to make soymilk without the beanie flavor took several hours and lots of work.
http://www.ellenskitchen.com/faqs/tofumilk.html
http://kirla.wordpress.com/recipes-3/soymilk/

Then one day I read online about making Almond milk. I buy raw unsalted almonds for $3.66 a pound at Bjs. I buy a 3-pound bag for about $11.00. I figured it cost about 35 cents a glass.

Best thing is nut milk is very easy to make. No hot water. No cooking. Only takes about 5 minutes after you soak the nuts. I now mostly make walnut milk. Walnuts used to cost the same as almonds at Bjs. Recently the walnuts went way up in price and I figure once I run out I will go back to making almond milk.

To make I just soak ½ cup of nuts in a bowl of water for several hours. Drain, rinse and blend on high speed in a blender for about 3-5 minutes with 3 ½ - 4 cups of water and its done. I found I like it plain with nothing added. I used to strain it. Now I don’t bother. Just have to shake it before serving. Its low carb and tastes great. I read you can use any kind of nuts or seeds and it will work also.

http://kirla.wordpress.com/recipes-3/almond-w...

blessedbeing
blessedbeing 2011-04-10 09:03:23 -0500 Report

Just bookmarked your blog. I didn't know you could make your own almond milk. Very interesting. Thanks!

Kirla
Kirla 2011-04-10 09:42:40 -0500 Report

I looked at the labels of the almond milks you buy in the store. I find most of them have added sugar and are high in carbs. I don’t add anything to my nut milks. There very low carb. I think they taste great. I use it in my baking. I found it doesn’t work in the sugar free pudding to well. But it works for most of what I bake. Even tastes good by itself. Drink it by the glass. I even it use it in my chocolate water. I found you can add the sugar free chocolate syrup sweetened with splenda you can buy at Wal-Mart and it makes a great chocolate milk. Low carb and good. Thanks for taking a look at my blog. I haven’t posted much lately. I write about everything that has helped me with my blood sugar. Sometimes I think I’m writing a cookbook. I just believe that if most people could eat the low carb vegetables, drink some water and test their meals that a lot of other people can have similar results as I had. Not everyone but I think most can benefit.

Thanks
Kevin

dietcherry
dietcherry 2011-04-05 18:11:59 -0500 Report

I know you have posted this a few times Kevin and Im interested in making my own almond milk, but I dont think I could find almonds that cheaply anywhere near me. Does this BJ's have an online store? it sounds like an excellent alternative to whats currently available. PS I checked out you blog last week-really enjoyed it!

Kirla
Kirla 2011-04-06 18:53:37 -0500 Report

BJS is one of those membership kind of stores like Costco or Sams club. Located mostly on the east cost. I usually don’t like the membership clubs but I can buy certain foods pretty cheap. Plus I get a discount on their membership where I work. Here is a list of where the stores are.

http://www.bjs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...

Anyway half a cup of nuts makes about a quart of milk. A 3 pound bag of nuts lasts me several months. I have looked at the almond milks you buy and the carb count was higher than what I can drink.

Here is a few places I found that sell almonds online. Google works great.

http://www.justalmonds.com/

https://www.nutsite.com/Almonds-Raw-Natural

http://www.nutsforyou.com/shop/item.aspx?item...

Thanks for stopping and reading my blog. I appreciate it.
Kevin

Kirla
Kirla 2011-04-10 11:16:29 -0500 Report

I buy my Almonds at Bjs. Haven’t found them cheaper anyplace else. Haven’t used any of them sites. I just googled almonds and the sites looked promising. I have found that a lot of places have a discount on the shipping it ordering a lot of there products. I eat a lot of almonds. About 2 pounds a week. But making milk I don’t really use a lot of them. A 3-pound bag lasts awhile if just making milk from them.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-04-05 13:12:35 -0500 Report

I don't drink either soy or cow's milk. No cows milk because I'm lactose intolerant, and don't drink soy due to the phytoestrogen in it.

dietcherry
dietcherry 2011-04-05 18:06:01 -0500 Report

Like most diet-related findings, Ive heard conflicting reports about the estrogen in soy. 1. it is plant-based so completely safe 2. There isnt enough contained therein to affect the body 3. It should be avoided by certain segments of the ppopulation. I dont know what to believe.

Kirla
Kirla 2011-04-06 19:04:13 -0500 Report

I read a lot about soy and soy base products and decided to use it. I stopped using soymilk because of the time it takes to make it. I found I like the nut milks better and they are easier to make. I still make soy flour carrot, pumpkin & chocolate cakes, pancakes, waffles, pasta and piecrust form it. I have been using soy for 2 years now and haven’t had any negative affects from it. I do like eating the foods I make from it and find I can have all of the above without it spiking my blood sugar. Also use splenda to replace the sugar. It also works great for me.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-04-05 18:10:45 -0500 Report

It is hard to know, but my testosterone and Androeterone are challenged so i don't want to take the chance.

Maybe it was from all the soybeans I ate whole on the farm growing up. LoL!

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2011-04-05 13:35:00 -0500 Report

I never have been much for drinking a glass of milk. I'm not lactose intolerant just milk usually tastes sour to me. Do not want to use soy because want to avoid the whole adding more estrogen back into my system issue. For some uses my milk substitute of choice is unsweetened almond milk. But sometimes the real thing is what works best.

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-04-05 17:59:49 -0500 Report

I grew up on a dairy farm and drank raw milk growing up until I left the farm at 20. So I really loved milk! The kind where the cream rose to the top if you left it in the fridge all night. I continued drinking milk (4%, 2%, 1%, skim, even acidophilus) up until milk started giving me gastric disturbances.

Now if I want a milk like drink I drink almond milk.

Roy531
Roy531 2011-04-05 10:16:56 -0500 Report

I noticed and that is per serving which is one cup or 8 ounces, myself, found it hard to stop with just one cup, love my cornbread and milk but it is terrible for my BS. Was raised on buttermilk and sure miss it. But in order to survive have to give up some things and cornbread and buttermilk is one of them. Also notice the more fat they take out the more sugar they add to it.

Roy

jayabee52
jayabee52 2011-04-07 11:33:56 -0500 Report

UNLESS the milk is flavored, Roy , Like with chocolate or Strawberry, they don't add sugar to it. Removing the fat concentrates the lactose which is naturally occurring in the milk because it becomes a greater % of the volume left. See the thread toward the bottom of this discussion where KD weighs in.

LennyDenny
LennyDenny 2011-04-05 10:09:45 -0500 Report

Your not the only one in the dark. I have been drinking 1% for about 8 years now. I was told by my cardiologist if I wanted to drink milk I should switch to the 1%. I was told it would be better for my heart. Who knew, I drink close to a gallon a week on my own. I learn something new every day.
Denny

dietcherry
dietcherry 2011-04-05 10:18:13 -0500 Report

Can you believe the carb count is higher in the 1% and 2% categories? And Lennie, thats a whole lot of milk! haha :)

LennyDenny
LennyDenny 2011-04-05 10:30:36 -0500 Report

Milk has alway been my down fall, ever since I was a kid. And believe me that was a long time ago. I always got in trouble for drinking it right out of the bottle. Being from PA there are times it came right from the cow..!!!

Roy531
Roy531 2011-04-05 11:47:45 -0500 Report

I wonder, is there as much sugar in the milk straight from the cows as the milk that has been processed? They seem to add sugar to everything to enhance the flavor.
Roy

kdroberts
kdroberts 2011-04-05 11:56:17 -0500 Report

Milk is about 4-6% lactose, the lower the fat the higher the lactose content. Lactose is a sugar, it's sometimes called milk sugar. 8 fluid oz is 1 cup which is about 240g. 4-8% of 240g is roughly 10g-15g. So any cows milk will naturally contain roughly 10-15g of sugar.