Kidneys not so great :(

By MOMMY_OF_AN_ANGEL Latest Reply 2011-03-31 19:32:11 -0500
Started 2011-03-26 16:36:29 -0500

Well, even though I thought I was making an improvement with lowering my A1c, I got a call from the dr yesterday with my lab results and they werent so great. She says that the level of protein in my urine shows early signs of kedney failure. The level should be less than 20 for a diabetic and my result was 133. My doctor knows me and my fiance want to try for another child in the future when my bloodsugars get normal, so she said putting me on the meds to help with this protein issue isnt an option because I cant take it if Im still thinking about pregnancy because it can cause serious birth defects. (and maybe infertility as she wants me to make sure I am COMPLETELY done with having children before I start taking this med. Im not sure what to think now… Kinda disappointed in myself for not taking care of myself when I should have been for so many years. I dont know if I should be worried or not because my dr didnt seem too everly concerned. I know shes a great dr and she comes from a VERY good hospital where I live, so I guess Im going to just be on the internet seeing what I can read about this. Well, wish me luck…

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Dizzy65101 or Robin
Dizzy65101 or Robin 2011-03-31 19:32:11 -0500 Report

MY heart goes out to you, you are facing some tough heart wrenching decisions.seems like your biologicol clock is in full swing and I dont know what the right decision is for the 2 of you, but I know that your kidney problems are very important to take into consideration kidney failure can be a mortality issue if it goes to far.I will be praying for both of you to make the right choice for your family.

mmccance 2011-03-29 11:43:45 -0500 Report

Hi MOAA, I too had a similar report from my doctor but I was shown the way out of that problem without taking medication. Too much protein in the kidney does not come from the protein we eat. It actually comes from the carbs and sugars that we eat — that is why it is a symptom of diabetes. If you were to simply cut out the starchy carbs this problem will correct itself.

So what is left to eat when you cut out the carbs: meat and vegetables. You can eat satisfying meals of any kind of protein (meat) that suits you, added to fresh raw salads (any kind, any size). The less you cook the vegetables that you eat, the better they are for you. If you begin to crave carbs, then cook some green vegetables (such as broccoli or spinach) and eat them along with your main meal of meat and salad.

Salad can have: many varieties of lettuce or greens, raw tomatoes, raw broccoli, raw cauliflower, raw avocado, raw nuts, raw seeds, cucumber, raw carrots, raw green bell pepper, raw peppers of any kind… you get the picture. You go to the grocery store and purchase the kinds of lettuces that you like and add any other raw vegetable that you like. And when it comes to salad you can eat as much as you like.

The goal is 3/4 salad, 1/4 meat at any meal… but you can eat more salad than that if you like. You do not need to cut back on the amount of food you eat in the beginning. Eat whatever portion of meat that makes you happy and make sure you eat double that of raw salad. After a while your appetite will reduce itself down to normal portions. If you are hungry, then eat.

Your salad dressing should be one that you make yourself. Try any kind of vinegar that you like, diluted with a small amount of water, to which you add extra virgin olive oil — the proportions are yours to choose. I use about 1/2 C vinegar, 1/4 C water, 3/4 C EVOO, You can sprinkled any kind of herb or spice on your salad that you like. I like to sprinkle Italian herbs, curry powder, dried onions, and/or garlic powder. Then splash with your home made oil and vinegar dressing for a delicious salad. If you sprinkle the herbs and spices rather than adding them to the dressing, you can change the flavor of your salad every time you eat.

The protein can be meat of any kind (pork, beef, chicken, turkey, etc.) plus eggs, and or fish of any kind that you like. Shell fish should probably be avoided for a while, or only eaten once a week — because they are higher in carbs. It is better to leave out dairy for a while, too, because of the lactose sugar in dairy. You can have bacon, but when you eat processed meats you will again get some sugar and a whole lot of chemicals that you don't need. You could have them once a week or so, but it is best to avoid eating processed meats like lunch meat, etc. during this time period when you are fixing your kidneys.

Clearly you will not be eating sugar of any kind — no substitutes for sugar either, because they mess with your blood sugar. You won't be drinking soda pop, or diet soda, or fruit juices. No fruit — too much sugar. Drink water, black coffee, or tea. Water should be the first thing you reach for. Your kidneys are important so don't eat or drink any sugar of any kind whether it is real or fake. Give your kidneys a rest.

I was totally amazed when I made the change. My protein numbers dropped to almost normal in a very short time using the method outlined above. Just start eating this way. Do it for about a month, and then go to your doctor and get checked. You should see your numbers have made a big dip in the right direction. You will know it works when your doctors says: Wow. Whatever you are doing… keep doing it.

By the way… if you are taking insulin of any kind… you will need to check with your doctor before making this change because you will not need as much insulin when you are eating this way — and it will happen very quickly — probably within a day or two. Check your blood sugar levels often. You doctor will be glad to help you lower your insulin intake because you are showing so much improvement.

Much love,

MOMMY_OF_AN_ANGEL 2011-03-29 13:57:54 -0500 Report

Hi Marcia! Thanks for all the advice. My dieticians over the years have told me about this. Its just soooo hard! Im a very petite girl (5'1 at about 125 lbs) but I LOVE to eat! I can actually out eat my fiance and he's 6' and 225 lbs! No matter if my bloodsuagrs are high, or low, I sometimes seem to feel like a "Bottomless Pit"! I love salads though. I eat at least one a day. I put lettuce, green onions, tomatoes, small cucumbers, green peppers, etc. Not a fan of meat or cheeses in my salads though. I eat healthy, …I just eat all the time! Ive never really ever been a fan of sweets or junk food. Never even liked soda. I go through a case of water every 3-4 days. Other than water, ill drink some milk with meals. No juice, no coffee, etc. Just water and milk. Ill have to say though, since 1993 when I was first diagnosed, things with Carb counting and Dieticians and Diabetic Educators have changed!

mmccance 2011-03-30 14:19:04 -0500 Report

Hi MOAA, I truly understand when you said "It's just soooo hard!" — Me too, girl. I was not able to make major changes like that all at once, either. I struggle with it, too. It is hard when a person is addicted to something to just suddenly change your entire life style. The thing that motivated me to begin was the fear of diabetic complications. The prospects of kidney failure, limb amputations, or going blind are way to scary to mess with. You also have the burden of worry about getting pregnant.

Truly the only way out is through diet and life style changes. It seems to me that the medications we get from the doctors only prolong the effects. They lull us into thinking we are doing OK when we are actually gradually getting worse. The only way to stop the progression is to eliminate what causes it — and the cause is the food we eat.

I found a book that really helped me make the changes one or two at a time over a period of 30 days. It is called: The 30 Day Diabetes Cure… Here is a link in case you want to check it out:, and here is another where I blogged about my progress:

I recommend that you think about the numbers the doctor reported to you. They are evidence that you are eating something without being conscious of it. Also, oddly enough, overeating — eating massive meals — will also raise the blood sugar and lead to the complications we don't want in our lives. I'm wondering if you might have what I call "the eating machine" — where you just keep eating and eating and eating and never get satisfied. The only thing I have found that turns off the eating machine is to hard knuckle it for three days. But think — it is only three days. Surely you can muster up enough self control to cut out the sugar and carbs for three days. Then it gets easier because the eating machine cools down and you become sane with food, again.

If you read the first day of my blog (link above) I shared where I was doing wacky stuff without being conscious that I was heading me in a wrong direction. I allowed a little sugar, surely that would not hurt. But I can't eat a little sugar. If I let in a little, I'm soon scarffing down enough to choke a horse.

If you take the time to read the rest of the blog posts over the 30 days you will see the struggle I went through and still go through, but I refuse to throw in the towel and succomb to the horrible consequences of doing nothing — or worse yet, letting the chips fall where they may. If you sow to the wind, you reap the whirl wind — the tornado of diabetic complications that just sneak up on you like your kidney stuff, now.

One thing that I do to get more salad in my life is to start the day by preparing a huge amount of salad that I eat on the whole day long. I put it in a big plastic covered container and put it in the fridge… then when I get hungry, it is already made and easy to just pull it out. I sprinkle a bowl full with herbs and dressing and sit down and eat. No waiting. Then, if I am still hungry after eating a good big salad, then I might eat some additional raw nuts and seeds, or make a hamburger patty, or add some tuna fish to my bowl of salad. Hard boiled eggs added to the salad stick to the ribs better, too.

Start by adding salad to every single meal you eat and see where you end up.

If you have the desire to make the changes you know you should, even if you wonder if you really can, just take baby steps in the right direction. The book I told you about really helped me to take it one day at a time — it was if I had a doctor holding my hand and directing me every single day. Sure I had problems with it, but you just cannot let that keep you sick. Some days you go backwards, but many days you go forward. Let your goal be the new little baby you really want. You want her to have a healthy mama don't you? Then do it for her, or him, as the case may be. Or do it for your little angel that you have now. You don't want her to have to witness her mother dying or being crippled do you? You CAN make the changes you need to make.

We are all here to support you. Don't give up because it is hard. If it was easy it would not be a problem. Just writing to you has given me a boost, too, so thanks for your sharing and know you are not alone. We all have the same battle, but it can be won — and even if we don't win every single day — we will manage it better and the complications we dread may not show up because we are a little more sane when it comes to food.

Love you,

poppey 2011-03-29 10:53:54 -0500 Report

Hope all goes well. How many childern do you have already? Just remember you have to be there for them as well. I know its hard, and to be honest I realy don"t know what your going through or how you feel. Just count your blessing and think positive. We are here from you, as long as you want us to. If you start now you could better yourself. Best of LUCK in all that you do!!

MOMMY_OF_AN_ANGEL 2011-03-29 10:58:48 -0500 Report

I have a 7 year old named Jovanni and I also had another baby boy in 2007, but he passed away in 2008 due to many complications of prematurity. He was delivered via c-section at 24 weeks when I went into a diabetic coma (all my organs were shutting down from the diabetes "causing septis (sp?).

poppey 2011-03-29 13:53:34 -0500 Report

My God Bless you and your family. I would go searching for another opinoin. Just be sure that having another baby is what you want. I have three great kids. When I found out I was diabetic My husband was not so sure of me having another baby, but now Im doing better. Of course when I found out I was 7 mons. pregnant. Hoping it would go away, but didn't, now he makes sure I eat right, and do as the DR. says. I have good support, I hope you do to. Home supoort is always the best. We are still here for you don't get me wrong.

MOMMY_OF_AN_ANGEL 2011-03-29 14:18:35 -0500 Report

Wow! You didnt know you were pregnant till 7 months!?!?! Didnt you notice your Aunt Flo was M.I.A? Thats one thing I hate about uncontrolled bloodsugars…it can sooooo mess up your menstrual cycle! I went for 7 months without one! I was still doing a pg test every month though just to make sure becuase I now know how important it is to REALLY take care of yourself and baby while pregnant. But yea, were both pretty fixed and decided on trying to concieve once my sugars are tightly controlled.

Pynetree 2011-03-28 21:48:33 -0500 Report

This diabetes really can kick us when we're down…with long term prognosis that started, in some cases , before we were even diognosed. You are taking the right step to learn everything you can about renal problems, and doing what you can from now on to forestall any further complications. This is hard news to hear. I wish you luck…

MOMMY_OF_AN_ANGEL 2011-03-29 08:09:03 -0500 Report

tHANKS! It means a lot to have so many ppl to talk to here that are understanding and can relate to EXACTLY what Ive been going though for the last 18 years.

Hopieland 2011-03-28 12:17:09 -0500 Report

Hi. New here, but I'm touched by your dilemma. You may consider asking your Doc if there are medicine choices. Maybe there's a med that wouldn't be so apt to cause birth defects. You sure don't want dialysis! I don't know how you feel about prayer, but I for one will be praying for you and your young family big-time! D is a disease that can go south without any symptoms and each person's body seems to manage or not manage it well over the long haul. I'm T2 diagnosed about 5 yrs ago. Being torn between two such powerful influences to choose between…that's a tough one. Have you asked your Doc to explain ALL your options medically? I tend to agree with Pixsidust. One child and a happy family is a good thing and something to hold onto and even fight for. Being Mommy of an angel is awesome! My prayers and hopes are with you. Keep us posted, will ya?

MOMMY_OF_AN_ANGEL 2011-03-28 12:35:52 -0500 Report

Hi Hopieland- Yes, I agree as well. I will try calling her today after I get off of work and maybe we can discuss all the options over the phone. My fiance and I are happy with our son Jovanni, however, we think it would also make him happy as well. He was very excited when my younger son was born. He was so proud to be a big brother. So yea, were hoping to maybe try again once my bloodsugars and diabetes is tightly controlled as I dont want to be a Mommy of "another" angel…

Hopieland 2011-03-28 13:49:45 -0500 Report

How beautiful! Jovanni… what a great name. Does it mean something? Nice ring to it. And, yeah, I remember when I was little and my Mom asked what I wanted for by B'day. I said, "A baby brother." I had a big brother and wanted someone I could pick on! She carefully tried to explain she couldn't have any more children (not D related). I was really disappointed and tried to figure out why she couldn't find a way around that, but soon gave up my concerns for other more important things that captured a 6 year old's imagination. It's such a beautiful to watch an older child embrace being an older bro or sis. Take a LOT of time to consider all your options, and even when you BG is truly under control, for the sake of your whole family, make wise choices. Have you given any thot to adoption? For some that's not an option, but it could be a way for you to enjoy your strong mommy desires for children without endangering your life? Food for thot. Meanwhile…we're with ya!

MOMMY_OF_AN_ANGEL 2011-03-28 16:03:54 -0500 Report

Thanks! It doesnt mean anything specific, but I wanted something unique AND of course, Italian :) I thought Giovanni was nice, but to common, so I decided Jovanni, with a "J". And I also figured I'd leave the "i" out as well. We've never talked about adoption. I dont think neither of us would agree on the adoption thing. We both want the experience of being pregnant and sharing the whole thing while our child grows inside me. Etc…

Hopieland 2011-03-28 16:13:45 -0500 Report

Understand. Your creativity with Jovanni is neat. I'm glad you both share the pregnancy. Sounds like a "match" to me! Just be very wise about getting and keeping you in good health, please. Post your progress. Would love to see what works and what doesn't as you go. I'll be in your corner all the way.

MOMMY_OF_AN_ANGEL 2011-03-29 08:10:32 -0500 Report

I will do that! I think if it wasnt for all of us sharing all of our stories, we wouldnt know as much as we do! Plus, its nice to be able to ask any question here and still get answers! :)

Graylin Bee
Graylin Bee 2011-03-27 11:35:15 -0500 Report

Sorry you had such stressful news. I hope you are making good progress on your research as you start making your decisions, It is hard sometimes to know what is the right or wrong answer when suddenly faced with this type of problem.

cureforjosh 2011-03-27 11:32:32 -0500 Report

I'm so sorry Rachel. This is a soul searching decision for both you and your fiance. Listen to what your heart is telling you. Write down every possible pro vs. con with your fiance and know that with your doctor's help, you will make the best decision possible for you and your son and fiance. Your health is just as important. Keep us imformed and I will keep you in my prayers. Sandy

MOMMY_OF_AN_ANGEL 2011-03-28 09:42:02 -0500 Report

Thanks Sandy. Yes, I think thats a good idea. Im leaning more towards just asking my dr about getting the meds a.s.a.p. Ther last thing I want is to have to go for dialysis treatments so many times a week.

dietcherry 2011-03-27 10:00:36 -0500 Report

Awww Rachel Im sorry to hear that! That is a tough choice for you to have to make. Arm yourself with knowledge so you can make an informed decision. Good luck to you honey! :)

pixsidust 2011-03-27 07:38:50 -0500 Report

Sounds like you have a child together. Is it worth the risk to wait on the meds? If I were him I rather have the woman I love and be happy with the one child. My heart is big and I can always adopt or help a family member or friend with their child. You would be there to see it all through. Thats the important thing. Two kids alone is nothing he would ever want.

EJMac 2011-03-26 21:42:24 -0500 Report

Just found out about a month ago my kidneys aren't doing so well-only 45% in working order. The doctor said the chemo I had affected my kidneys. She said the best thing I could do right now is keep the diabetes in control which I am. Kidney stuff isn't to be taken lightly I don't think.

MELCHALK 2011-03-26 20:46:25 -0500 Report

Are you taking a beta blocker to protect your kidneys? Cozar has improved my kidneys.Did your doctor mention you taking one?

MOMMY_OF_AN_ANGEL 2011-03-26 23:01:03 -0500 Report

No, she doesnt want to give me the medications until me and my fiance are 100% completely decided that we are done trying to concieve as the meds can cause serious birth defects. Im not really sure what the name of the medicine was, but she didnt make it seem too urgent. I think Im going to give her a call monday to talk to her some more about this and the seriousness.

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