Would we get/continue to have diabetes without eating carbs?

By evaziem Latest Reply 2014-05-28 14:19:07 -0500
Started 2014-05-27 14:52:03 -0500

Most of our energy is created from glucose that comes from digesting plant food (carbs), but our bodies CAN draw energy from protein and fat. It's called KETONIC diet.

This mean that we do NOT have to eat plants to exist.

What if we stop eating carbs that threaten us and consume just meats and fats.
Am I making sense?

No plant food, no carbs, no glucose, no high glucose!

Please give your thoughts…

38 replies

GabbyPA 2014-05-28 08:41:20 -0500 Report

Our bodies are meant to eat both plant and animal. Not all plants foods are full of carbs. I agree, dump the grains, but not the leafy greens or veggies. Everything we consume eventually turns into energy or glucose. It's just that meats and fats do it MUCH slower.

evaziem 2014-05-28 09:04:53 -0500 Report

Hi Gabby, you jointed me in my anti-grains crusade! Thanks!
I know, we should eat plant food. It is more a theoretical discussion.

I am talking about cancer. According what I've read, cancer cells use ONLY glucose as their "food." Our body's healthy cells are able to draw energy from protein and fats. So if we stop carbs, cancer cells should starve and DIE!!!! Anybody heard this?

Nick1962 2014-05-28 11:31:39 -0500 Report

Yes, cancer cells are fed by glucose, but you will always have/need glucose for all cells to survive. There is research underway to find ways to selectively “starve” cancer cells, but as a human, you can’t do it selectively just by not eating carbs as was thought in the late 1800’s. However, recently studies of folks on Metformin “appear to get less cancer. And when they do get cancer, they appear to survive longer.”
Excellent article here: http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/way-exploi...

All cells have are “programmed” to develop into certain things (eyes, a brain, hair, etc.), and “turn off” (i.e. stop growing) when they’ve developed into their assigned roles. Cancer cells have bad programming and just continue to grow without direction. These cells can be faulty from the start, or suffer damage or trauma of some sort to make them faulty. Would be nice if we could just hook ourselves up to a computer and run a virus check on ourselves.

jigsaw 2014-05-28 11:23:29 -0500 Report

I have read this on a few occasions. There is some accuracy to this statement, medically speaking. When it comes to overall health, I have a suspicion that it is flawed! I actually became familiar with the idea many years ago. I have personally talked with naturopathic doctors years back that emphasized this concept.
Here is a link that mentions the subject with a greater overall focus, that I suspect is more accurate. Since we are not doctors or scientists, I've posted a second link, that leans toward the pro side of a ketogenic diet. It's certainly all food for thought.


Here is the second link:


haoleboy 2014-05-28 12:07:44 -0500 Report

" Since we are not doctors or scientists, I've posted a second link, that leads toward the pro side of a ketogenic diet. It's certainly all food for thought."
Not sure how much confidence I would place in GreenMedInfo or the "Doctor" that wrote the article … "Dr." Mark Sircus ia an "acupuncturist, doctor of oriental and pastoral medicine"
just saying …


jigsaw 2014-05-28 12:30:58 -0500 Report

Steve, maybe so, but there are numerous sources quoted here, not just Dr. Sircus. We all seem to be influenced one way or another, and by various sources for many reasons. I believe that both sides of the ketogenic concept are interesting, and worth learning about. These links are both motivating in the sense that they touch on both the pros and cons. Certainly, and also you can reject the link and its sources if you feel that it's not a reliable source, or lacks adequate credentials. Since you and I lack the credentials to make an in depth medical judgement on starving cancer cells, simply put, I think it's interesting to research both sides of the fence. That's my whole point, and through any source of your choice!

haoleboy 2014-05-28 12:57:45 -0500 Report

I agree Al … I am interested in the benefits of the Ketogenic Diet and a few 'real' doctors that I respect are themselves on that diet. I have been looking into incorporating some of its principles into my eating plan … my feeling is that "the truth lies somewhere in the middle" when it comes to its "miracle properties" … as is usually the case in these matters.


jigsaw 2014-05-28 12:04:11 -0500 Report

Absolutely, but it's only the tip of the iceberg! I sincerely believe that most cancers, if not all will be curable, maybe even eliminated in due time. Possibly even in our lifetimes, according to a few oncologists that I've come to know personally. I lost my sister, and father, both to cancer, so i have seen first hand, the tragedy brought on by this disease.

jigsaw 2014-05-27 19:06:55 -0500 Report

I suspect we would have more cancer, constipation, lack of energy, great potential for dehydration, higher possibility of kidney stones, and a tremendous potential for nutritional deficiencies! The following link is just a bit of info concerning this subject. In all due respect, this is just a wee bit of my thoughts on the subject. By the way, I did do a very low carb diet for a few years. I'll be happy to discuss it again, but for now, here are a couple of interesting links!


Nick1962 2014-05-27 18:48:52 -0500 Report

One of the problems is that humans were not designed as pure carnivores like bears, lions, alligators, some prey birds, lizards and so on. Our domesticated pets (cats and dogs) have had that pretty much bred out of them by now, and yes it’s one of the reasons they become sick more than their wild counterparts. However, in most animal species, their day is spent hunting for their next meal. Us, not so much. This was fine for Native Alaskans, as they pretty much spent their day just surviving, but for us currently, replacing everything with just protein wouldn’t supply all the nutrients we need in addition (as Steve said) to the fiber.

haoleboy 2014-05-27 16:30:55 -0500 Report

no plant food - no fiber
and you know what they say … no fiber - no S417

evaziem 2014-05-27 16:42:37 -0500 Report

I see… fiber! Hmm…
When I eat fats, I have no problem…

jigsaw 2014-05-27 19:19:42 -0500 Report

Nothing wrong with healthy fats, but any food plan should be nutritionally balanced, for long term health. Extremes can lead to various types of deficiencies in the long run.

haoleboy 2014-05-27 16:54:06 -0500 Report

many (most?) diabetics are dealing with other health concerns. as a stoke survivor job 1 is avoiding dying from either another stroke or heart attack … to that end I eat a high fiber diet that I credit (in part) with reducing my cholesterol to "perfect numbers". I ate roled oats every day for breakfast for over a year and still eat it 2-3 days a week. I also eat a vey large amount of vegetables every day.

evaziem 2014-05-27 17:09:03 -0500 Report

Hm… Prevention is the key! It's to never get diabetes in the first place! Decades and decades of "whole grains". Whole grain is a spin. If you look below, you can see what I think about grains. I DO NOT EAT THEM.

Linus Pauling Institute (LPI) recommends 5-6 servings of whole grains a day… Maybe they think a year, hahaha! This is not a laughing matter. They call it RX for Health. Just outrageous.

Bad advice and everybody is surprised how sick this country is!!!!!

I drive by a high school and see these young boys and girls with fat hanging around their waistline! Too much carbs: cookies, sodas, ice cream promoted by everybody and anybody… Parents reward children with milk and cookies and ice cream!

Of course, it depends on genes. Some people eat all these carbs and do not get diabetes. For those with family history of diabetes: NO COOKIES, NO ICE CREAM! Period!

haoleboy 2014-05-27 15:58:06 -0500 Report

I absolutely believe that many Type II's could reverse diabetes by tightly controlling carbohydrate intake.

evaziem 2014-05-27 16:11:47 -0500 Report

Why don't they????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps, because they are told by professionals to eat more "WHOLE GRAINS."

jigsaw 2014-05-27 19:29:21 -0500 Report

They do reverse it! There are many with diabetes that have reversed their condition. Some of them are on this site. As already stated, it does depend on the individual, and many factors involved.

jayabee52 2014-05-27 16:15:10 -0500 Report

it depends on the person, of course.

evaziem 2014-05-27 16:29:17 -0500 Report

I think there are two aspects:
1. yes, who the person is. Some people are just either neglectful or hopeful
2. Misinformation!!!! "Eat more whole grains" - for example. You can call me an "ANTI-GRAIN girl"…
I have a huge problem with the FDA's
This "plate" is for healthy people, of course. The problem is, this plate will make the healthy ones sick over time.

from The wall Street Journal:
"The problem is that carbohydrates break down into glucose, which causes the body to release insulin—a hormone that is fantastically efficient at storing fat. Meanwhile, fructose, the main sugar in fruit, causes the liver to generate triglycerides and other lipids in the blood that are altogether bad news. Excessive carbohydrates lead not only to obesity but also, over time, to Type 2 diabetes and, very likely, heart disease. "

jayabee52 2014-05-27 17:03:09 -0500 Report

Ev, You have an anti-grain guy here so no arguments from me on that. In fact I often "preach" about problems caused by using insulin incorrectly (IMO) to "cover" for an overindulgence in carbs.

evaziem 2014-05-27 17:20:10 -0500 Report

I see! Some people have no will…
Welcome my anti-grain fellow!
Here is what I gathered:
- make us fat,
- elevate our blood glucose leading to diabetes
- give us gluten (i.e. GLUE) that creates plaque in arteries and brain blood vessels and is leading to leaky gut and in some the Celiac disease
- give us inflammation that is the root cause of most chronic diseases like diabetes, heart diseases, arthritis, Alzheimer's and more
- contain phytic acid, a mineral blocker that prevents absorption of calcium, magnesium, iron, copper and zinc
- flour is brominated, treated with a chemical called potassium bromate. This bromate is a possible carcinogen which is banned in many countries.
Also the bromate blocks absorption of iodine which is critical for good health.

jayabee52 2014-05-27 15:25:52 -0500 Report

Howdy Ev
This is kinda like Chris Clement's discussion about a possible cure of diabetes.

To answer the question in your title, YES I believe you would still have Diabetes (Type 2)

I have been on a ketogenic meal plan and lost weight on it (65 lbs over 5 mo), and was able to keep my A1c in the mid 5s, my Blood Glucose below 130 mg/dl

(meal plan avaiilable upon request)

However, there may be some other side effects from ketogenic meal plans: This article speaks of Ketogenic meal plans as a treatment for Epilepsy, but I believe it is applicable when used for other reasons like for Diabetes. Note the negative side effects for a ketogenic meal plan ~ http://www.news-medical.net/health/Ketogenic-...

Obviously only some get the side effects because we all are different. But this should caution us about going totally ketogenic. It is a good way to lose weight IMHO, but carbs themselves, especially complex carbs, are not to be avoided. I attempt to avoid the "simple carbs" like breads and things made with grains (for various reasons) however the nutrition found in the complex carbs may not necessarily be easily replaced with only meat.

God's best to you and yours

James Baker

evaziem 2014-05-27 15:34:57 -0500 Report

if your A1C was in 5s and is not now, should it mean that you have insulin resistance, not diabetes?

jayabee52 2014-05-27 15:50:27 -0500 Report

I developed T2 mainly due to insulin resistance. I continue to have T2 even after losing all of that weight. I also have Chronic Kidney Disease, for which I need dialysis. That has required the alteration of my meal plan and has raised my A1c into the 6s. But I still have T2D, which is shown by higher BG numbers when I misbehave in my eating.

evaziem 2014-05-27 15:55:48 -0500 Report

Sorry about your kidneys :=(
Are you saying that you could not continue the ketonic diet because of your kidneys?

What is T2D?

jayabee52 2014-05-27 16:22:18 -0500 Report

T2D = Type 2 Diabetes.

I still follow a modified version of my meal plan but there are certain foods and drinks which I should not consume with a Kidney meal plan, so I avoid those foods and drinks. even though doing so may cause my A1c to raise. Some foods/drinks could cause my bones to turn into sponges and my heart turn into bone. I want to postpone something like that for as long as possible even if my A1c suffers. Sometimes I feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place..

evaziem 2014-05-27 16:39:57 -0500 Report

I think that green juice is good for everything and for kidneys too. I make green juice every day.

evaziem 2014-05-27 16:38:40 -0500 Report

I do not know anything about taking care of kidneys… Not yet…
Can you take calcium supplement for your bones? Can you exercise? With weights? I sit here and lift my weights from time to time…

jayabee52 2014-05-27 17:17:53 -0500 Report

Ev, I pray you don't have to learn how to care for your kidneys, at least like I have had to mine.

Re calcium suppliments, the answer is no since one of the little problems I have is hyperparathyroidism. My parathyroid glands (4 glands on my thyroid gland) is over active and causes my serum calcium to be elevated. Sometimes by 600% according to my weekly blood tests in dialysis treatment.

Asked my Nephrologist about it in my monthly visit with him in the clinic and he says that he does not recommend cutting out those glands. I am on a medication which is supposed to help but that does not seem to be working all that well.

And about the green juice, that may not be helpful to me since it would depend on the potassium, phosphorus and calcium content of the green vegetables composing the juice.

Also in your discussion on the ketogenic diet, didn't you want not to consume plants at all? Just asking.

evaziem 2014-05-27 17:47:41 -0500 Report

Nephrologist is a kidney specialist. What does he know about the parathyroid?
He rather has you on RX?

evaziem 2014-05-27 17:32:13 -0500 Report

I do want all plants, all grains. I love them. This crunchy taste of hot bread! Nothing is better, but it this should make me sick, very sick, I WILL NOT EAT IT. Period!

I do not know much about parathyroid. I have a problem with my thyroid—don't have one. It was removed by mistake many years ago and I have to take the hormone.

There is a Yahoo group about thyroid problems. Perhaps you can join.

They do talk about parathyroid too. In many cases, these no-doctors know more than MDs…

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